Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2019] - Discussion and TOC Talk

Status
Not open for further replies.

Unok

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Jan 28, 2007
Messages
703
Reaction score
2,915
Gender
Male
Country
Bulgaria
What makes you say that? Remember, be cognizant of spoilers. Also, in Samurai 8, we have confirmed moon/planet/star destroyers.

In Black Clover there's several people that are faster than light. I don't recall anyone in JJK or MHA having similar feats. Granted, I'm not caught up on either.
Gojo is OP, teleportation, automatic defense that prevents all attacks of touching him (even explosion in his face did nothing), own territory that is OP, etc. And we haven't even seen him serious (current version, not his past one). Definitely stronger than the ones mentioned.
 

vinceled

Translator
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Aug 2, 2012
Messages
1,185
Reaction score
992
Age
36
Gender
Male
Country
France
Gojo is OP, teleportation, automatic defense that prevents all attacks of touching him (even explosion in his face did nothing), own territory that is OP, etc. And we haven't even seen him serious (current version, not his past one). Definitely stronger than the ones mentioned.
Is that in JJK? I still haven't really started reading the series past volume 1 since that's the only volume I've bought so far.
 

Halloween

Formerly Buranchi
有名人 / Yuumeijin / Celebrity
Joined
Nov 20, 2013
Messages
2,545
Reaction score
6,845
Age
40
Gender
Male
Country
United States
Gojo is OP, teleportation, automatic defense that prevents all attacks of touching him (even explosion in his face did nothing), own territory that is OP, etc. And we haven't even seen him serious (current version, not his past one). Definitely stronger than the ones mentioned.
While that does sound impressive, the scope doesn't sound that high. For instance:


Carpet bombing for their highest classification of curses is very, very miniscule to the strongest in Black Clover and Samurai 8.

Gojo sounds impressive within his series, but I'm not sure how well that translates to other series. Like, how would he handle someone just blowing up the planet? Sure, he might be able to stop the attack from hitting HIM, but that doesn't mean he could stop the attack from blowing up the planet, and he'd be fucked and just floating in space after he deactivated his infinity ability.
 

Xzone

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Nov 2, 2014
Messages
888
Reaction score
698
Gender
Male
Country
Isle of Man
I would never underestimate a hax user , tho.
Sam8 had raw power but this is nothing if the opponent use their hax in a good way.
 

Halloween

Formerly Buranchi
有名人 / Yuumeijin / Celebrity
Joined
Nov 20, 2013
Messages
2,545
Reaction score
6,845
Age
40
Gender
Male
Country
United States
I would never underestimate a hax user , tho.
Sam8 had raw power but this is nothing if the opponent use their hax in a good way.
Hax is great, but it has limits. Raw power can and does overpower hax all the time. The Incredible Hulk has countless examples of this. Hell, Jiren literally flexed out of hax from Hit in Dragon Ball Super, etc.

Toriko was unique in that it had overwhelming hax AND overwhelming raw power, which I really appreciate.
 

CrimsonEpitaph

Registered User
下級員 / Kakyuuin / Jr. Member
Joined
Nov 6, 2018
Messages
84
Reaction score
91
Age
35
Country
Israel
The strongest of the "established" Jump series are probably OP characters.
Guys like Akainu and the Yonkou.

How do you guys do the faded text?
 

Mammo

Registered User
有名人 / Yuumeijin / Celebrity
Joined
Mar 20, 2015
Messages
4,755
Reaction score
8,897
Gender
Male
Country
Holy Britannian Empire
regarding the poll
the people that are voting Slam Dunk, HnK, Dragon Quest, Kinnikuman
will you people still ask for a remake if Toei still has the license?

>inb4 Toei shills attack me

I have a question, if anybody would oblige:

With some established WSJ properties very likely ending in the next year, what kind of new manga would you like to see from the magazine in the near future? It could be anything, as long as you think it’ll fit the magazine.
anything that isn't in the magazine already is fine with me, a la no more exorcists pls

Shijinsou no Satsujin 1 未定 (probably a new Jump+ manga, based on a novel/movie apparently)
already running on plus, with 6 chapters out


Teihen Yuchuba ga Uchuu Sensou o Totte Mita 1 未定 (probably another Jump+ newbie?)
a collab between

&


neither are newbies

I was having a convo in other sites about how in this decade almost all MCs have been literally manlets with very little height (Deku, Asta, Hinata, Tanjirou, Hachimaru,, World Trigger MC, Hinomaru, Nagisa from Assassination Classroom, etc).
can we call them MANlets when they're not men? they're teens
 

NeeNeen

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Mar 2, 2012
Messages
1,057
Reaction score
1,218
Country
United Nations
I have a question, if anybody would oblige:

With some established WSJ properties very likely ending in the next year, what kind of new manga would you like to see from the magazine in the near future? It could be anything, as long as you think it’ll fit the magazine.
A detective series. Or a mystery of some kind.

The closest we had recently is Summer Time Rendering, and that one turned into an action series once they figured things out.
 

Unok

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Jan 28, 2007
Messages
703
Reaction score
2,915
Gender
Male
Country
Bulgaria
While that does sound impressive, the scope doesn't sound that high. For instance:


Carpet bombing for their highest classification of curses is very, very miniscule to the strongest in Black Clover and Samurai 8.

Gojo sounds impressive within his series, but I'm not sure how well that translates to other series. Like, how would he handle someone just blowing up the planet? Sure, he might be able to stop the attack from hitting HIM, but that doesn't mean he could stop the attack from blowing up the planet, and he'd be fucked and just floating in space after he deactivated his infinity ability.
That's classification for curses. Gojo is the strongest character in JJK, much much stronger than a higher-grade. He will create his own territory and deal with the opponent there. His territory looks exactly like space. He can also float. Before developing his techniques he got stabbed in the head and didn't die. He also developed imaginery technique and can blow holes in anyone he wishes. Even if the opponent blow up the planet, so what? Are they fighting on different planets or something? And how will he deactivate his infinity ability? His infinity ability is always ON, always, automatically. He runs the reverse technique to heal himself and keep his brain fresh, so he doesn't get fry by his ability. I simply can't see how BC or S8 characters can even touch him. What was said about his territory is that you are bestowed with everything and you just start to die, also the only one we saw there got completely stunned unable to move. That's likely to his infinity technique that has the power to stop, repel and attract and his territory expands it even further, making it not only around him, but anywhere in his territory.

Hulk is different. He is extremely hard to injure. BC & S8 aren't that sturdy to withstand attacks that Hulk can. So the comparison isn't valid. Also Gojo's imaginary technique looked like it just deleted Fushiguro along with the walls behind him, so not sure Hulk can even withstand that, but for sure BC & S8 can't.

vinceled
Yeah, current arc is explaining how he got so OP, but we saw some of it in second volume.
 

Shinuki no Reborn

Mangahelper
伝説メンバー / Densetsu / Legendary Member
Mangahelper
Joined
Jul 6, 2011
Messages
15,547
Reaction score
39,710
Age
34
Gender
Male
Country
Brazil
regarding the poll
the people that are voting Slam Dunk, HnK, Dragon Quest, Kinnikuman
will you people still ask for a remake if Toei still has the license?

>inb4 Toei shills attack me
This reminds me a guy in this thread that used to defend Toei so much that i wondered if he didn't worked for the studio kkkkk

And yeah, this is the only thing that makes me not so sure about a SD remake, i wouldn't even be surprised if Inoue turned down some tentatives because Toei, i can't see current Toei doing any justice for Slam Dunk with a long running remake for tv
 

SalesNerd69

Registered User
中級員 / Chuukyuuin / Member
Joined
May 23, 2019
Messages
196
Reaction score
211
Age
28
Country
India
Anyways no current jump character can be in top 10 strongest in jump history since the db franchise exists and literally everyone of note in that franchise can bust universes with a fart at this point in time
 

Xzone

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Nov 2, 2014
Messages
888
Reaction score
698
Gender
Male
Country
Isle of Man
Hax is great, but it has limits. Raw power can and does overpower hax all the time. The Incredible Hulk has countless examples of this. Hell, Jiren literally flexed out of hax from Hit in Dragon Ball Super, etc.

Toriko was unique in that it had overwhelming hax AND overwhelming raw power, which I really appreciate.
I agree that being more powerful can overpower the hax, but I was talking about sam8, and right now the only interesting feats we saw was 2 moon destroying feats and one of them consume almost all the energy of the MC so I doubt we should say he is a planet buster(Moon buster at max).Plus, Samurais had a big weakness with the princess and stamina, a hax user with prep-time could defeat them.

I only see the "main villain" defeating a hax user right now.

PD:I'm talking only about Sam8 because I dropped Black Clover at the begining, so for that reason I didn't talk about that series in my comment.
 

NeeNeen

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Mar 2, 2012
Messages
1,057
Reaction score
1,218
Country
United Nations
Anyways no current jump character can be in top 10 strongest in jump history since the db franchise exists and literally everyone of note in that franchise can bust universes with a fart at this point in time
The best part is that Goku himself isn't even in the top 25 strongest in DB anymore.
 

Boro

Banned
初心者/ Shoshinsha / Beginner
Joined
Aug 13, 2019
Messages
11
Reaction score
31
Age
30
Country
United States
Sorry but what kind of hax are u talking about? Seems like you are saying that every single hax can solos S8/BC/Marvel verse...ehm, wut?

I mean, let's take for example S8...just Ata's clone has:

• Massively faster than light speed (reached a galactic quadrant from another one in few hours while slashing into pieces asteroids)
• Immortality (they can only die if God Fudo Myo-o forsakes the samurai, if they admit their defeat)
• likely Planet level durability: Ata's clone bullrushed through a planetoid casually, without a scratch.
• Sub-atomic fast regeneration (unlimited unless you can counter sub-atomic regen. or if Fudo Myo-o forsakes the samurai)
• Digital consciousness and cybernetic body and soul. Samurai can also live without their souls.
• Moon to planet attack potency: Ata's clone casually cut in half the moon with a single swing of his sword. Daruma also shown that Ata can destroy planets.
• His attacks can reach thousands of km. distance/damage area. Just like he did to the moon with one swing of his blade.
• sorta time control attacks: Kongo-Yasha style Samurai can set the time between the swing of their swords and the eventual cut on their targets.
• let alone every other power ups like Spaceship holders, Samurai armours and those floating soul orbs...


...How can someone massively slower, weaker, fragile etc. than him...win? Even with "hax".
If you are a common human but you have "hax" then this doesn't mean you can kill i dunno...Doomsday or Hulk. He is faster, stronger, far more durable than you! Let alone regeneration. You can't even perceive them, they are too fast. How could you hit something you can't even perceive?
 
Last edited by a moderator:

Halloween

Formerly Buranchi
有名人 / Yuumeijin / Celebrity
Joined
Nov 20, 2013
Messages
2,545
Reaction score
6,845
Age
40
Gender
Male
Country
United States
The best part is that Goku himself isn't even in the top 25 strongest in DB anymore.
Really? Even with Ultra Instinct? Granted, I know about the angels and Zeno, so that does complicate things. I'm guessing even with UI, Goku is likely still weaker than the angels, so yeah.
 

SalesNerd69

Registered User
中級員 / Chuukyuuin / Member
Joined
May 23, 2019
Messages
196
Reaction score
211
Age
28
Country
India
Really? Even with Ultra Instinct? Granted, I know about the angels and Zeno, so that does complicate things. I'm guessing even with UI, Goku is likely still weaker than the angels, so yeah.
With UI, he'd probably be in top 25 but without it atm, he's weaker then Zeno, The Grand Priest, all the angels and GoDs + Jiren, Broly and Moro
 

NeeNeen

Registered User
英雄メンバー / Eiyuu Menbaa / Hero Member
Joined
Mar 2, 2012
Messages
1,057
Reaction score
1,218
Country
United Nations
Really? Even with Ultra Instinct? Granted, I know about the angels and Zeno, so that does complicate things. I'm guessing even with UI, Goku is likely still weaker than the angels, so yeah.
With UI, he'd probably be in top 25 but without it atm, he's weaker then Zeno, The Grand Priest, all the angels and GoDs + Jiren, Broly and Moro
Top 25 is actually pretty generous. If we're going by the assumption that Goku is weaker than ALL of the GoDs, he's out of the top 30.

If we also assume that 17's wish succeeded in bringing back the 6 formerly erased universes, he can kiss the top 40 goodbye.

Even with UI, top 25 would be pushing it, since some of the GoDs can probably tap into it as well (we know Beerus 'hasn't quite mastered it', which implies that he can use it somewhat). I also don't think it would do much against Moro since, you know, what good is fast reaction speed once you got your power sucked.
 

TyVip

Registered User
有名人 / Yuumeijin / Celebrity
Joined
Aug 30, 2015
Messages
2,721
Reaction score
2,814
Gender
Male
Country
Mariejoa
I see a lots of

Without Haki you can't touch Logia user in One Piece.

Well you can apply that to every other series

Without Chakras you can't break even the weakest Genjutsu in Naruto
Without Reiatsu you can't even see Shinigami in Bleach

It becomes a pointless debate.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top