Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2020] - Discussion and ToC Talk

[Shinuki no Reborn]

MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10

Good Votes!

 

[Halloween]

Moderator Notice:
Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween

 

[Ryuusei]

Spoiler: 52 TOC & 01 Preview

呪 僕 O マ ブ S C D 破 C B 夜 C 僕 あ 灼 ぼ チ 高 ア 森 A 仄 ぼ 次号カラー ヒロアカ アンデラ 夜桜 約ネバ 道産子 GIGA 岸本先生が描くコラボポスター 爆豪クリアファイル

Spoiler: Issue #52 ToC & Preview

Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
My Hero Academia
One Piece
Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
Build King
Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
Ayakashi Triangle (CP)
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
Bokura no Ketsumei

Issue #1
Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

GIGA Preview
Collab poster by Kishimoto
Bakugou clear file

 

[Tamil]

I don't think Jump has had a Kendo/Kenjutsu manga before, right? I'd love to see that.

We had Kurogane

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Didn't we have a poll previously and discussed this very subject?

Yeah, you're right we did I think.

 

[SharkBait]

Ive been gone for months and I'm like, have I clicked on the wrong page or having a weird sense of deja vu, even the responses are the same, lol.

 

[Azure Warrior]

Didn't we have a poll previously and discussed this very subject?

As someone that missed this poll, what were the Top 5 winners of it?

 

[Halloween]

As someone that missed this poll, what were the Top 5 winners of it?

I don't recall offhand. I think ice skating was really high up, same with fishing, IIRC.

 

[Azure Warrior]

Ah, fishing and ice skating would actually be interesting for Jump to explore.

The latter is more popular than ever thanks to Yuri on Ice.

 

[Chuck_Atlas]

Wasnt it Ice Hockey that was high? And also, how popular is fishing in Japan as a sport? That would actually be very interesting manga for sure

 

[Halloween]

Wasnt it Ice Hockey that was high?

I knew it involved ice, at least.

 

[MysticCatto]

Was there an Outrage in Japan or was it an Outrage on the Internet ?

Given asta's powers its more than likely a coincidence even if it wasn't and it was an imitation it isn't much of a problem(unless the original author says its a problem) ,after all imitation is sincerest form of flattery(do people really have a problem with this) .

Besides, the editorial team are the ones who decide on the poses and cover composition, not Tabata

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

I don't think Jump has had a Kendo/Kenjutsu manga before, right? I'd love to see that.

lol you were literally here when Kurogane was published for over a year kkkk

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Any one note the disturbing similarity between the new CP for Bokuben and the CP for Yuuna 181?

Not more weird than Mitama and Moriking publishing at the same time the same chapter about parents returning home for the first time and seeing the daughter in a awkward situation with the male mc, and in the next issue Bone Collection did the same! These authors are hanging around together too much.

 

[Reading Somethin']

I knew it involved ice, at least.

Yeah, I think we had a poll and Ice Hockey was the winner.

 

[Newkerzy]

lol you were literally here when Kurogane was published for over a year kkkk

--- Double Post Merged, May 30, 2020, Original Post Date: May 30, 2020 ---

Not more weird than Mitama and Moriking publishing at the same time the same chapter about parents returning home for the first time and seeing the daughter in a awkward situation with the male mc, and in the next issue Bone Collection did the same! These authors are hanging around together too much.

Well, sorry for being a Jump noob during that time, and not following this thread until 2011-ish. /s.

 

[Azure Warrior]

Kurogane is very underrated. Damn shame it wasn't as popular as it should.

 

[Rain Spectre]

So, this is something Greg of the One Piece Podcast speculated about that I found interesting, but he speculated that a major factor to the success of Kimetsu post-anime as well as the like of MHA is that protagonists who are built on ideas like compassion and have large amounts of internal thought appeal far more to modern readers than hot-blooded idiot heroes like Luffy. Greg's an elementary school teacher if I recall, so he does know what he's talking about.

So, what happened? Anyone has an idea as to why the stereotype hero that is associated with the likes of Goku/Luffy/Naruto/Gon/Asta has gone out of favour?

 

[Halloween]

Greg's an elementary school teacher if I recall, so he does know what he's talking about.

How? I'm not seeing how that gives him more insight.

 

[AbrahamOmosun]

So, this is something Greg of the One Piece Podcast speculated about that I found interesting, but he speculated that a major factor to the success of Kimetsu post-anime as well as the like of MHA is that protagonists who are built on ideas like compassion and have large amounts of internal thought appeal far more to modern readers than hot-blooded idiot heroes like Luffy. Greg's an elementary school teacher if I recall, so he does know what he's talking about.

So, what happened? Anyone has an idea as to why the stereotype hero that is associated with the likes of Goku/Luffy/Naruto/Gon/Asta has gone out of favour?

The same reason the muscle bound badass stoic men like Kenshiro, early Jojo, that city hunter guy made way for the goku stereotype, it fell out of favour with people and they wanted something differet.

people like something-->they get a lot if it-->they get tired of it either because it becomes too much or they see something else they prefer or both--->they start liking the new thing-->more of the new thing gets made-->they become tired again and the cycle continues

 

[Newkerzy]

So, this is something Greg of the One Piece Podcast speculated about that I found interesting, but he speculated that a major factor to the success of Kimetsu post-anime as well as the like of MHA is that protagonists who are built on ideas like compassion and have large amounts of internal thought appeal far more to modern readers than hot-blooded idiot heroes like Luffy. Greg's an elementary school teacher if I recall, so he does know what he's talking about.

So, what happened? Anyone has an idea as to why the stereotype hero that is associated with the likes of Goku/Luffy/Naruto/Gon/Asta has gone out of favour?

I would argue that Naruto was very much the prototype for current Shonen MCs like Deku and Tanjirou. Yes, he was based on the Goku prototype, but that was on the outside. Deep down, he's incredibly compassionate towards others, because he knows what it feels like to be hurt. Sadly, the anime flanderized this aspect of his character, and for the whole series' duration, that compassion was also sometimes misplaced.

Nevertheless, Naruto still provided some of the blueprint that current Shonen Jumps MCs emulate, at least in that aspect.

 

[Teennitro]

I would argue that Naruto was very much the prototype for current Shonen MCs like Deku and Tanjirou. Yes, he was based on the Goku prototype, but that was on the outside. Deep down, he's incredibly compassionate towards others, because he knows what it feels like to be hurt. Sadly, the anime flanderized this aspect of his character, and for the whole series' duration, that compassion was also sometimes misplaced.

Nevertheless, Naruto still provided some of the blueprint that current Shonen Jumps MCs emulate, at least in that aspect.

This reminds me of that quote horikoshi said about Naruto in Shonen Jump 50th anniversary he said " Naruto isn't like a Shonen manga character. He's an innocent heart feeling distressed while advancing, which is very cool for many times. When Naruto struggles in the mud and made me excited even now when I reread I can still get encouragement from it."

 

[BX-02BLODIA]

These authors are hanging around together too much.

I wonder what the New Years parties are like. Probably all of them acting like animals to vent from their work or something.

 

[tirakai]

Have we actually had much of a trend of hot-blooded idiots among successful series in WSJ? Besides Goku, Luffy and Asta, have we really had many of them?

Only other big ones that come to mind are twists on it, like how Naruto's hot blooded thing is a mostly act to hide loneliness, and Tsuna from Reborn is a clumsy loser who has to be forced to become hot-blooded with special weapons. Maybe Dai's one? I haven't read Dragon Quest.

The biggest overall Jump trend in MCs I think would probably be well-meaning delinquents. Rokudenashi Blues, Jojo part 3-6, YYH, Slam Dunk, BØY, Rookies, Beelzebub. They've definitely fallen out of fashion as main characters in jump though.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

The new big trend in Shonen Jump is the mc couple, almost everything from 2019 until now that still in the magazine has a couple as mc, Yozakura, Mitama, Undead, Guardian, Bone and Ghostwriter, even Yugen one shot is about a guy and a girl, most of them in some kind of protective role and even romantic, and this gets more obvious seeing Agravity Boys that are about 4 guys being the least popular in the toc (ofc excluding Guardian)

Also counting the canceled we had Saiyuki, Kamio Yui and Samurai 8, these three that also had the romantic and protective role going on. 2018 also had some but started to be really proeminent in 2019