Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2020] - Discussion and ToC Talk

[Shinuki no Reborn]

MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10

Good Votes!

 

[Halloween]

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[Ryuusei]

Spoiler: 52 TOC & 01 Preview

呪 僕 O マ ブ S C D 破 C B 夜 C 僕 あ 灼 ぼ チ 高 ア 森 A 仄 ぼ 次号カラー ヒロアカ アンデラ 夜桜 約ネバ 道産子 GIGA 岸本先生が描くコラボポスター 爆豪クリアファイル

Spoiler: Issue #52 ToC & Preview

Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
My Hero Academia
One Piece
Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
Build King
Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
Ayakashi Triangle (CP)
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
Bokura no Ketsumei

Issue #1
Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

GIGA Preview
Collab poster by Kishimoto
Bakugou clear file

 

[Jhonathan]

I think is all a question, of how the author is gonna handle this issue. There's a lot of no-offensive jokes that can be made with this theme. Besides they the author can go through a similar route as Boku girl, and explore sexuality and gender identitiy in a cute and respectable way.

 

[4Eyes]

I have very low expectations regarding AGravity Boys because I really don't get yet what kind of public it targets.

Some of you guys seems to be missing the controversial point. It's not only a gender bender thing. It's a gender bender where is implied the transitioned man have to lie with at least one of the other ones to reproduce and save earth... In conservative Japan, I think this would be controversial enough without the gender bender thing.

While I hope it could go on a respectful route like ao no flag, I can see a lot of things going wrong.

 

[OniluapL]

I mean, it sure can explore interesting themes of gender identity in a respectful manner, and if it does so it will be really great and refreshing. Or it can just do something acceptable, even if it doesn't go too deep. There are a lot of good gender-bender series that does deal with such issues and themes.

However, it's a comedy manga on Jump. The precedent for a actual good treatment of those themes that doesn't delve into poor taste jokes and offensive elements just isn't there.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

I have very low expectations regarding AGravity Boys because I really don't get yet what kind of public it targets.

Some of you guys seems to be missing the controversial point. It's not only a gender bender thing. It's a gender bender where is implied the transitioned man have to lie with at least one of the other ones to reproduce and save earth... In conservative Japan, I think this would be controversial enough without the gender bender thing.

They're trapped in another planet, this is why the reproduction thing.

 

[Rain Spectre]

They're trapped in another planet, this is why the reproduction thing.

...And that matters because...?

4Eyes is right, the simple matter of the fact is that entire premise is extremely skeevy and opens itself to very negative content, and we have little to no reason to think it'll turn out different.

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

...And that matters because...?

4Eyes is right, the simple matter of the fact is that entire premise is extremely skeevy and opens itself to very negative content, and we have little to no reason to think it'll turn out different.

Because he said something wrong? isn't earth, is another planet, it's matter because is part of the context behind the premisse lol

It will be so funny to see all this talk again when the manga gets released and there's zero controversy on Japan, seriously, if TSS first chapter caused nothing, this will be even less since Japan has nothing against gender bender and they also realise that a comedy series is comedy kkkkk

 

[Jovan]

People forgot that Jump had a genderbender manga 17 years ago...This isn't anything new.

 

[lgrmjauffre]

My only problem with Agravity Boys is just that the premise seems like it might get boring pretty quickly? The gender bender aspect is one thing, and a fine thing at that, but just the four of them on some alien planet seems like they'll run out of things to talk about fairly quickly. Maybe it's just me.

 

[4Eyes]

...And that matters because...?

4Eyes is right, the simple matter of the fact is that entire premise is extremely skeevy and opens itself to very negative content, and we have little to no reason to think it'll turn out different.

Yeah, even though I mistook this part of the premise, I don't think it being on Earth or another planet makes it less controversial.
But: I think skeevy is a harsh word to describe the premise. I just think it doesn't fit WSJ audience, since it seems like the premise of a low effort lewd harem.

 

[Nemesis]

Can you name me a recent gender bender/otokonoko series that wasn't a deliberate deconstruction like Bokura no ****** or Inside Mari and actually was accepted by the public? There's such a thing as a work of fiction becoming politically incorrect as values evolve.

What is "accepted by the public"? Because none of those two sold well if that's your metric. And if it's not that, then what is it? Western people? Japanese? Twitter? Elaborate a bit more.

Either way, if by gender bender you also count changing bodies, then there's Hina-chan change and Shinsuki Bitter change. And Bokura no ****** isn't really a deconstruction, it's just a series about three crossdressers with one being gay, other being trans and the other being straight.

 

[Koni]

People forgot that Jump had a genderbender manga 17 years ago...This isn't anything new.

To be fair, 17 years is a hell of a long time for values to change. I know this is Japan we’re talking about, but still. I doubt this’ll be popular in the West anyways.

I actually didn’t know that this wasn’t the first time this has happened. I had originally thought the premise was too weird for Jump, but I stand corrected.

 

[Nemesis]

To be fair, 17 years is a hell of a long time for values to change. I know this is Japan we’re talking about, but still. I doubt this’ll be popular in the West anyways.

I actually didn’t know that this wasn’t the first time this has happened. I had originally thought the premise was too weird for Jump, but I stand corrected.

Being popular in the west or not isn't really important for a series to be established on WSJ or any manga magazine. It needs to have good reception in JP and sell volumes..

And there's still tons of gender bender manga out there on different magazines. It's not something that somehow disappeared. I'm not even counting crossdressers, just males becoming females.

 

[Aeneas]

People forgot that Jump had a genderbender manga 17 years ago...This isn't anything new.

Even the author realized it was a tough sell.

 

[Koni]

What is "accepted by the public"? Because none of those two sold well if that's your metric. And if it's not that, then what is it? Western people? Japanese? Twitter?

Being popular in the west or not isn't really important for a series to be established on WSJ or any manga magazine. It needs to have good reception in JP and sell volumes..

And there's still tons of gender bender manga out there on different magazines. It's not something that somehow disappeared. I'm not even counting crossdressers, just males becoming females.

Right, I forgot about that.

I know there’s a lot of genderbender manga out there of all types, I just didn’t remember one being in Jump until now. My bad.

Bokura no ****** actually sounds pretty interesting, I hope that’s good.

 

[Nemesis]

Right, I forgot about that.

I know there’s a lot of genderbender manga out there of all types, I just didn’t remember one being in Jump until now. My bad.

Bokura no ****** actually sounds pretty interesting, I hope that’s good.

No problem. :P Also, Bokura no ****** is a fantastic manga. It's more drama-driven and very interesting on how it goes. It was one of my first crossdresser manga, with Fumi Fumiko beingthe mangaka and she has other manga with similar approaches so I really recommend.

With that said, gender bender can be done on crossdressing, body changing, transformation (men or women into the other sex), etc. I particularly don't consider a manga about trans to be gender bender ofc, because it's very different and a gender bender character in many times won't be a trans.

 

[wothab]

That premise doesnt seem to lend itself to a long serialization though, even if its episodic.

 

[Nemesis]

Either way, I'm not confident about the series but gender bender isn't something bad per se and I have read many good manga with it be it comedy, romance, drama, etc. I'll reserve my impression to the series as always.

 

[Serinox]

I think people are less turned off by the gender bender stuff, but rather by the premise of "One of the boys is forced to change so he can get impregnated by the other boys for the survival of humankind." Yes, I know it is a comedy, but still, I won't hold it against anyone to find this concept... a little iffy, at least.

(Also, not very recent and not the entire series either, but if I recall correctly, To Love Ru had some chapters where Rito got turned into a woman... I guess that could count.)

 

[pamuchi]

I remember there was an updated data for each series audience ratio, but it seems that KnY new audience is mostly women in their thirties and forties.

 

[TJQ15]

I think people are less turned off by the gender bender stuff, but rather by the premise of "One of the boys is forced to change so he can get impregnated by the other boys for the survival of humankind." Yes, I know it is a comedy, but still, I won't hold it against anyone to find this concept... a little iffy, at least.

(Also, not very recent and not the entire series either, but if I recall correctly, To Love Ru had some chapters where Rito got turned into a woman... I guess that could count.)

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Plus there was a whole Gintama arc based on this idea