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MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10


Good Votes!
 
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Moderator Notice:
Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween
 
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呪 僕 O マ ブ S C D 破 C B 夜 C 僕 あ 灼 ぼ チ 高 ア 森 A 仄 ぼ 次号カラー ヒロアカ アンデラ 夜桜 約ネバ 道産子 GIGA 岸本先生が描くコラボポスター 爆豪クリアファイル
Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
My Hero Academia
One Piece
Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
Build King
Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
Ayakashi Triangle (CP)
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
Bokura no Ketsumei

Issue #1
Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

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3 in a row that can be summarized the same way as the brother we already had
Taiyo and Mutsumi are aware of that and joke about it, so it means that it's the author's intention.
 

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Taiyo and Mutsumi are aware of that and joke about it, so it means is something that it's the author's intention.
That doesn't make it funny just because he's aware and tries to make it a joke. I have no problem with ensemble cast series but go read the first 17 chapters of any of the 3 stories I previously mentioned and count how many characters get introduced in that period and how many are the exact same as another character already in the story.
 

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Just because Yozakura may want to be something akin to Beelzebub (which I'm not sure is even a good comparison in regards to what it's trying to be) does not make it anywhere remotely close to the same level of quality.
Such a comparison is only surface deep and neglects clear issues with the execution of the product.
 
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The biggest problem I have with Yozakura is that pushed away the family as an entity after early chapters besides sporadic appearances. Which is extremely sad.

The manga is called Mission Yozakura FAMILY. So why don't we get focus on the FAMILY??
 

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That doesn't make it funny just because he's aware and tries to make it a joke. I have no problem with ensemble cast series but go read the first 17 chapters of any of the 3 stories I previously mentioned and count how many characters get introduced in that period and how many are the exact same as another character already in the story.
What is funny is something entirely subjective, but the fact that it's the author's intention means that he isn't doing stuff out of nowhere or because he don't know what he is doing, you're criticizing that he is introducing some characters that are like the same as the older brother as if it's something that the author isn't awared of it when is the opposite, so this end up reducing the problem more about the reader than the author itself because i don't have a problem with the crazy girl and the parrot guy for example.
 

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Here's a question.
What are your guys's5favorite and least favorite yet axed within a year Jump series this decade?.

Favorites;
...

Least favorites for me would probably be;
...
Favorites:
Cross Manage (if it's under a year, I just know that it got less than 45 chapters and deserved so much more)
The Last Saiyuki
Kagamigami
Teenage Renaissance David
Shudan!

Least:
Tokyo Shinobi Squad (extremely cynical and incompetent in every aspect, almost baffling that this got serialized in WSJ)
Judos
Metallica Metalluca
Cyborg Roggy
E-Robot (though the author struck gold by now, so no hard feelings :> )
 

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Metallica Metalluca is the kind of flop manga that i always had the curiosity to see what would become if it wasn't canceled, such a different theme.
 

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What is funny is something entirely subjective, but the fact that it's the author's intention means that he isn't doing stuff out of nowhere or because he don't know what he is doing, you're criticizing that he is introducing some characters that are like the same as the older brother as if it's something that the author isn't awared of it when is the opposite, so this end up reducing the problem more about the reader than the author itself because i don't have a problem with the crazy girl and the parrot guy for example.
I never said he isn't aware of it. I'm saying that doesn't solve a problem. If I'm aware I dumped chocolate sauce in my meatloaf and when everyone digs in I say "yeah I put chocolate syrup in haha" that doesn't make it suddenly a good meatloaf.
 

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The biggest problem I have with Yozakura is that pushed away the family as an entity after early chapters besides sporadic appearances. Which is extremely sad.

The manga is called Mission Yozakura FAMILY. So why don't we get focus on the FAMILY??
My problem with Yozakura is that.. I feel nothing for those characters after all of those chapters. With Beelzebub that people cited as example I was already into the manga on the first chapters while here were on chapter 10 and I don't feel attached to the manga.
 

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I never said he isn't aware of it. I'm saying that doesn't solve a problem. If I'm aware I dumped chocolate sauce in my meatloaf and when everyone digs in I say "yeah I put chocolate syrup in haha" that doesn't make it suddenly a good meatloaf.
But you're treating this as a real problem when is something much more about personal opinion, if you are or not bothered by him introducing some characters that are purposely similar to the older brother, i agree that he should focus more in the family but about this topic of similar characters, i don't have a problem, i laughed with these crazy characters (specially the parrot).
 

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What is funny is something entirely subjective, but the fact that it's the author's intention means that he isn't doing stuff out of nowhere or because he don't know what he is doing, you're criticizing that he is introducing some characters that are like the same as the older brother as if it's something that the author isn't awared of it when is the opposite, so this end up reducing the problem more about the reader than the author itself because i don't have a problem with the crazy girl and the parrot guy for example.
That the characters lampshade how many individuals have the same "MUTSUMI-CHAN!!" gimmick trait is not evidence of anything. It could very well just be Gondaira self-admitting to how he's done this already.

Even then, that doesn't change Yozakura's biggest fundamental issue. The manga, rather than trying to build on what he's established, is just throwing new characters/ideas at the wall with zero natural buildup.

My problem with Yozakura is that.. I feel nothing for those characters after all of those chapters. With Beelzebub that people cited as example I was already into the manga on the first chapters while here were on chapter 10 and I don't feel attached to the manga.
That's because the series seems basically unable to build up characters as people outside of their gimmicks. Take the family members, besides main duo of Taiyo and Mutsumi, all of them have a single defining trait (Siscon, big sis, coward with weapons, gamer chick, nya, big guy with bucket) and have virtually nothing done with them beyond that single trait. What're their personal lives like? Do they have any histories? How do they see each other or the world? We're over two volumes in, and we have no idea on any of those things beyond Kyoichiro being friends with hammer cop (who in himself is an extraneous character). It fundamentally fails at making the characters anything more than cutouts.
 

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my issue is it seems to want a huge ensemble cast like Gintama, To Love Ru or Saiki but is introducing them too quick. We've now gotten a new character per chapter 3 weeks in a row and none of them seem all that unique. Plus no one in the family has any development. It should have done one of the new characters now and done some more chapters with the rest of the family and them for a while then do another new character.
But you're treating this as a real problem when is something much more about personal opinion, if you are or not bothered by him introducing some characters that are purposely similar to the older brother, i agree that he should focus more in the family but about this topic of similar characters, i don't have a problem, i laughed with these crazy characters (specially the parrot).
My first post opened with "my issue" not "the issue"
 

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That the characters lampshade how many individuals have the same "MUTSUMI-CHAN!!" gimmick trait is not evidence of anything. It could very well just be Gondaira self-admitting to how he's done this already.

Even then, that doesn't change Yozakura's biggest fundamental issue. The manga, rather than trying to build on what he's established, is just throwing new characters/ideas at the wall with zero natural buildup.
This is the same thing as you saying that Shiibashi didn't foreshadowed anything in Kamio Yui just because you don't want to recognize so you have a argument, here the author is literally saying to you "yes, i know i'm creating crazy characters that are obsessed with Mutsumi, don't you noticed the pattern?"

I can agree with some of them, but the parrot guy was nicely introduced and connected to what happened before in the story.
 

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The biggest problem I have with Yozakura is that pushed away the family as an entity after early chapters besides sporadic appearances. Which is extremely sad.

The manga is called Mission Yozakura FAMILY. So why don't we get focus on the FAMILY??
Taiyo and Mutsumi are a family. simply.
 

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But you're treating this as a real problem when is something much more about personal opinion, if you are or not bothered by him introducing some characters that are purposely similar to the older brother, i agree that he should focus more in the family but about this topic of similar characters, i don't have a problem, i laughed with these crazy characters (specially the parrot).
You know, if you are treating the complaint as "not a real problem" just because it's a personal opinion... well, then, nothing can be considered a real problem. It's a work of fiction, the way they are judged is inherently subjective. Not even editors have objective standards for what the manga they publish should be.
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Also, "but the author knows what's happening" is a terrible excuse. A creator being aware of what he's doing with the story doesn't mean he's doing a good thing at all.
 

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You know, if you are treating the complaint as "not a real problem" just because it's a personal opinion... well, then, nothing can be considered a real problem. It's a work of fiction, the way they are judged is inherently subjective. Not even editors have objective standards for what the manga they publish should be.
--- Double Post Merged, , Original Post Date: ---

Also, "but the author knows what's happening" is a terrible excuse. A creator being aware of what he's doing with the story doesn't mean he's doing a good thing at all.
Real problem is a objective argument, a real plot problem, inconsistence, plot holes and etc, complaining about comedy not being funny or that the author is purposely creating similar characters is something subjective because it goes about you having a personal problem or not.

This isn't a excuse, if the author is purposely creating a pattern but you didn't like, this is you, not the author, it doesn't mean he's doing "the best" but it doesn't mean he's doing "the worst" too.

This discussion can just go forever since no one is pointing a real objective problem in the manga, just that "my opinion is that the author isn't doing what i think is the best".
 

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Thoughts on the undecided:
  • Yozakura: I am literally one chapter away from calling this axe fodder. The series really has become directionless.
  • Mitama: Honestly just one step away from declaring this part of the roster. This chapter surprisingly gave solid lore which has a strong chance of expanding the series, and was just fun in general.
  • Zipman: Still average. Still unremarkable. Still a lot of nothing.
  • Agravity: I legit couldn't even finish the chapter, I hated it that much. It's like Grand Blue, only stripped of everything good, and replaced with a whole lot of annoying.
If its Grand blue but stripped of everything good then it's not grand blue at all
 

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Once again Mitama had the best chapter of the week for me. The start was hilarious, with the kid talking that way. Then we had multiple interesting characters appearing, a good chunk of lore and an indication of an arc (be it "serious" or just funny like Joh's flashback) incoming. I had a blast reading it and Mitama is becoming one of my favourite series in the magazine.

Agravity Boys is just not for me, I'll keep reading it atm but it's not my kind of humor. As for Zipman, I had a lot of fun reading it, and I liked this third chapter a lot, even though it seems most didn't.

About Yozakura, I really liked the series at the begging, but as some of you here I'm starting to get lost on it because it still feels directionless, even 17 chapters on.

The top 3 for me this week were: Act-Age, Mitama and Dr. Stone spinoff (which has become more interesting than the main series, to me).
 

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Once again Mitama had the best chapter of the week for me. The start was hilarious, with the kid talking that way. Then we had multiple interesting characters appearing, a good chunk of lore and an indication of an arc (be it "serious" or just funny like Joh's flashback) incoming. I had a blast reading it and Mitama is becoming one of my favourite series in the magazine.

Agravity Boys is just not for me, I'll keep reading it atm but it's not my kind of humor. As for Zipman, I had a lot of fun reading it, and I liked this third chapter a lot, even though it seems most didn't.

About Yozakura, I really liked the series at the begging, but as some of you here I'm starting to get lost on it because it still feels directionless, even 17 chapters on.

The top 3 for me this week were: Act-Age, Mitama and Dr. Stone spinoff (which has become more interesting than the main series, to me).
Best chapter for me was One Piece. Is there actually a single One Piece fan here?!?!?

Also am I seriously the ONLY PERSON HERE who can't stand the art style of mitama? I think the manga it self is pretty funny but I haven't caught up cause I just can't stand looking at it. Its ugly as hell...
In my opinion
 
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