Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2020] - Discussion and ToC Talk

[Shinuki no Reborn]

MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10

Good Votes!

 

[Halloween]

Moderator Notice:
Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween

 

[Ryuusei]

Spoiler: 52 TOC & 01 Preview

呪 僕 O マ ブ S C D 破 C B 夜 C 僕 あ 灼 ぼ チ 高 ア 森 A 仄 ぼ 次号カラー ヒロアカ アンデラ 夜桜 約ネバ 道産子 GIGA 岸本先生が描くコラボポスター 爆豪クリアファイル

Spoiler: Issue #52 ToC & Preview

Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
My Hero Academia
One Piece
Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
Build King
Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
Ayakashi Triangle (CP)
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
Bokura no Ketsumei

Issue #1
Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

GIGA Preview
Collab poster by Kishimoto
Bakugou clear file

 

[Mankichi Togawa]

This Medaka Box page is a good guide about the main Jump manga before 2000

In chronological order:
Cobra (Cobra)
Kinnikuman (Kinnikuman)
Captain Tsubasa (Tsubasa Oozora)
Fist of North Star (Kenshiro)
Dragon Ball (Son Goku)
City Hunter (Ryou Saeba)
Saint Seiya (Pegasus Seiya)
JoJo (Jotaro Kujo)
Sakigake Otokojuku (Momotarou Tsurugi)
Hana no Keiji (Maeda Keiji) (this must be the most unknown manga from the list. 1990 historical manga that achieved 20 million of sales, by Tetsuo Hara, the same artist of FotNS)
Rokudenashi Blues (Taison Maeda)
Video Girl Ai (Yota Moteuchi)
Dragon Quest Dai no Daiboken (Dai)
Slam Dunk (Sakuragi Hanamichi)
Yu Yu Hakusho (Yuusuke Urameshi)
Kenshin (Kenshin Himura)
Sexy Commando Gaiden (Masaru Hananakajima)
Hoshin Engi (Taikobou)
Yu-gi-oh (Yugi Muutou)
Hikaru no Go (Hikaru Shindo)
Prince of Tennis (Ryoma Echizen)

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The oldest manga after the Yu-gi-oh/HnG/PoT trio were already serializing manga: One Piece, HxH and Naruto, so I guess that page avoided current works in serialization in that time. Then, the oldest manga already ended was Eyeshield21. Shaman King also isn't in the list, I think it wasn't still banned when that page happened. That would also explain the lack of Kochikame. I also think the list is 1 manga per author, since I's, Rookies, Dr.Slump, and Ring ni Kakero aren't in the list.

Elaborating further the list, and seeing how all the titles practically have a minimum bare of 20 million copies, I'd add:
Kochikame (Ryotsu Kankichi)
Ring ni Kakero (Ryuji Takane)
Dr.Slump (Arale Norimaki)
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One Piece (Monkey D.Luffy)
HunterxHunter (Gon Freecs)
Naruto (Uzumaki Naruto)
Bleach (Kurosaki Ichigo)
Eyeshield21 (Sena Kobayakawa)
Death Note (Light Yagami)
Gintama (Sakata Gintoki)
D.Gray-man (Allen Walker)
Katekyo Hitman Reborn (Sawada Tsunayoshi)
To-Love-Ru (Rito Yuki/Lala Satalin Deviluke) (I'd put Lala, but then Video Girl Ai had Yota in that pick over Ai)
Toriko (Toriko)
Kuroko no Basket (Kuroko Tetsuya)
Nisekoi (Ichijo Raku/Chitoge Kirisaki) (I was doubtful in adding it since I think Nisekoi hasn't even reached the 15 million copies, not sure)
Haikyu (Hinata Shoyo)
Assassination Classroom (Koro-sensei/Nagisa Shiota)
Shokugeki no Soma (Soma Yukihira)
My Hero Academia (Izuku Midoriya)
Kimetsu no Yaiba (Tanjirou Kamado)
The Promised Neverland (Emma)

Unfortunately, Black Clover is forever stuck in 10m hell. And it seems Jujutsu Kaisen has more chances to join the list than Dr.Stone in the future. Having my doubts with adding or not I's and Rookies

PD: Is funny and sad at the same time how Whistle, despite achieving almost 20 million copies, seems it doesn't exist for Shueisha

 

[Xzone]

PD: Is funny and sad at the same time how Whistle, despite achieving almost 20 million copies, seems it doesn't exist for Shueisha

I would say that it because it doesn't belong anymore to shuesha (the sequel is published in shokakugan), but in the image it had saint seiya and others who also don't belong to shuesha

 

[Pietro]

Copying BC? That's a new argument against Mashle. Wonder if it's because you think magic is solely BC's territory (which it isn't).

Oh do you know any other manga where people can't use magic and decide to become warriors ?
I'm not talking about magic, but the fact that it's a bad plagiarism of Black clover

 

[Franz]

Unfortunately, Black Clover is forever stuck in 10m hell.

Did sales data come out about it?

 

[OtterBrigade]

Oh do you know any other manga where people can't use magic and decide to become warriors ?
I'm not talking about magic, but the fact that it's a bad plagiarism of Black clover

It's closer to Harry Potter than Black Clover lol. And one similar plot point isn't plagiarism. Otherwise Black Clover would be plagiarizing Naruto for having an orphan kid with no special powers attempting to be the "king of _" that typically requires being the strongest.

 

[tirakai]

Oh do you know any other manga where people can't use magic and decide to become warriors ?
I'm not talking about magic, but the fact that it's a bad plagiarism of Black clover

Have you... never heard of Harry Potter? Mashle's a very obvious Harry Potter parody, the whole joke is "what if Harry Potter used muscles to solve all his problems?".

Also there are a bunch of series where MC's gimmick is being the only one without the powers every else has, but finds out he has a special unique power instead.

 

[Thundercat27]

Oh do you know any other manga where people can't use magic and decide to become warriors ?
I'm not talking about magic, but the fact that it's a bad plagiarism of Black clover

How about read more manga, or just any kind of fictions, my friend,
The concept of protagonist with out superpower in a world of superpower is common since the dawn of time.

 

[shoyoboyo]

Oh do you know any other manga where people can't use magic and decide to become warriors ?
I'm not talking about magic, but the fact that it's a bad plagiarism of Black clover

today i learned that black clover invented powerless protags

 

[Ryuusei]

Oh do you know any other manga where people can't use magic and decide to become warriors ?
I'm not talking about magic, but the fact that it's a bad plagiarism of Black clover

Interesting how you take one of the most basic Shounen archetypes and make it seem unique to BC. Also, Mashle is basically a HP parody, it's basically reaching to say it's plagiarizing BC.

Did sales data come out about it?

Last update was when volume 23 was released almost 4 months ago and it probably won't get update with volume 24's release since BC's first print should be around 300.000-350.000.

 

[Franz]

Last update was when volume 22 was released almost 4 months ago

Wasn't volume 23 the one that came out 4 months ago?

 

[Nav]

Looking forward to see how Stone does next month with Volume 15 after the Sekaju boost

 

[Ryuusei]

Wasn't volume 23 the one that came out 4 months ago?

Sorry, messed up the volumes.

Looking forward to see how Stone does next month with Volume 15 after the Sekaju boost

I would be surprised if it starts selling more than BC or JJK in a month so my bet is it should sell around 175.000 a month.

 

[Bodoro]

Anyone know the sales of Hoshin Engi? How popular was it in Japan?

 

[Ryuusei]

Anyone know the sales of Hoshin Engi? How popular was it in Japan?

Unfortunately no Oricon data on it since it's way older, but it peaked at a first print of 800.000 copies with volume 6 and it has 22.000.000 in circulation with 23 volumes.

 

[BX-02BLODIA]

I found it.. I can't remember where exactly this item was put on sale, pretty sure it was an exhibition of MangaTaro's art or something, and I don't know if this specific image was published in WSJ but if it was I can totally see why a lot of parents getting mad over it lol.

ババア 抱き枕 (Baba Dakimakura) Extremely NSFW

まんだらけ | 中野店 3F 本店2 - 【8月11日（金）販売】2014年漫☆画太郎個展「漫☆個展」限定「ミクロババア抱き枕」出します

こんにちは。 「漫☆個展」はもう3年も前になるのですね。 3年前の夏、コミケと被...

www.mandarake.co.jp

Don't know where that character comes from specifically, but it seems that "Baba" design was used in that one odd crossover chapter between Yuuna and Hoshi no Ouji-sama.

 

[James Rye]

Oh do you know any other manga where people can't use magic and decide to become warriors ?
I'm not talking about magic, but the fact that it's a bad plagiarism of Black clover

World Trigger. Osamu failed the recruitment requirement due too low Trion (aka "Magic") in his body. He still became a Border Agent (aka "warrior") and unlike Asta gets actually owned over and over again due having less ability and power than his opponents whereas Asta wins fights by screaming AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH the loudest.

 

[NeeNeen]

Oh hey, The Vertical World got more confusing again. What are the odds.

Oh do you know any other manga where people can't use magic and decide to become warriors ?
I'm not talking about magic, but the fact that it's a bad plagiarism of Black clover

Broken Blade
MHA, technically.

 

[perroloco]

Shonen Jump Heroes and Heroines Poll

34 characters from different works

It's kinda weird that no BLEACH character reached 10,000 votes, but I guess that happens when you have soooooooo many characters, votes get divided.
Let's see how the voting poll for KnY changes this, any predictions?

 

[westabyss]

Shonen Jump Heroes and Heroines Poll

34 characters from different works

This is still the most pointless graph i've ever seen.

 

[puppeto4]

Reborn's reader actually liked Tsuna? That's surprising