Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2020] - Discussion and ToC Talk

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MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10


Good Votes!
 
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Moderator Notice:
Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween
 
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What's going on with that bunch of reprints lol
 

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Reprints of Black Clover? I am shocked.....
 

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Reprints of Black Clover? I am shocked.....
Those are for Vols 1-19 (the current one is Vol 24). Those probably went out of stock, hence this.
 

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Aniplex rumor was apparently fake. Pierrot still holds the rights because Klab renewed the license for Bleach Brave souls and signed a partnership deal with them.

Klab would have to go to Aniplex if the rumors were true.

You're being intentionally ignorant now which is unbecoming of you. Did you read the reports? They pretty much acknowledge only Naruto, Boruto and Black Clover out of the top 5 for having strong overseas presence AND being profitable. The fact that BC got an extension for three year straight (fourth if covid never happened) without the support of strong merch and video game sales to back it up makes it reasonable to assume the anime is doing a great job.

1. TV Tokyo acknowledges only Naruto, Boruto and Black Clover for their overseas presence so your guess is as good as mine but let's not forget the production committee for the anime has Pierrot as well. Their sales were 10.8 billion yen last year so god knows how much of it was because BC.
2. Overseas business includes licensing shows to not only streaming companies but to others responsible for making merchandise or games. I genuinely doubt BC was in the top 5 profitable anime for TV Tokyo because of merchandise or games.
3. No, they're for all their anime but the top 5 are the biggest earners. For overseas section only three of the top 5 were acknowledged.
4. It's pretty much given that Naruto and Boruto are responsible for a bigger chunk of the 15 billion sales (Not 13 billion. My bad)since they are higher in sales and gross profit rankings. That doesn't change the fact that Black Clover contributed to the growth of both the revenue and gross profit.
5. Again. The way Toei operates is different than your normal studios. World Trigger wasn't exactly having great ratings and the slot it aired in ended after the anime but now here we are with an upcoming sequel.
Okay. Decent points. I'll give you that TV TOKYO states BC is their 3rd most popular title outside Japan.
That said, positions in a list doesn't mean much when numbers could be a whole different story.

Want an example? Look at the difference in the top 3 selling manga right now from WSJ.
You take positions and you say KNY, OP and MHA are the top 3 selling manga in WSJ. It gives you one picture. But then you take the actual numbers and that's a whole different ball game. The gap between each is not something you'd imagine if you didn't have the numbers.

That said, I have no proof that it isn't doing incredibly well oversees. But we all can agree that its not remotely close to Bleach's popularity either in Japan or oversees.
Keep in mind, Bleach has been on these lists as well even a year or two after its anime ended but it's anime still remained cancelled. Why would TV Tokyo not capitalize on Bleach's big popularity oversees for so long?

There are too many unknown variables for anyone to truly estimate BC's worth in TV Tokyo's list. Pretty much the same with digital sales argument in manga.
From previous experience and from the example of Bleach, the likelihood that BC is in a protective bubble because of the anime is very tiny.

Keep in mind, WSJ cares about it's magazine. If a franchise is dying, the only positive action they can take is shift the manga to a different magazine to keep that manga going whilst earning money for Shueisha. They won't keep it in WSJ forever. Far more important franchises to WSJ have been cancelled.

Finally;
Your point about World Trigger. Lets put it this way, World Trigger went on an indefinite hiatus and came back stronger, growing in sales. Meaning, the franchise was not only far from dead but actually growing.
BC is not growing. It's sales are declining. It's TOC placements are unstable and it's average in the TOC has been noticeably worse. These are all the signs of a declining franchise. Harsh (sorry) but true.

Also, World Trigger's first anime was low budget unlike BC which definitely has a higher budget.

In any case, my point has always been this - IF BC's manga volumes keep declining in sales, WSJ will take action within the next 1.5-2 years. Still a long time for BC to get a 2nd boost and grow again.
 

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Bleach anime was far more popular than BC was and it was still cancelled.
Toriko's anime helped sell millions worth of merchandising and yet it was still cancelled.
Too be fair, we are in a different era. Things can turn out differently now.
 

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Also, World Trigger's first anime was low budget unlike BC which definitely has a higher budget.
I'm not too sure about that. While I don't have numbers for any of these series in regards to budget, i an open secret that black clover anime production is not the best. Read the first part of this analysis


From not having an animation producer to not getting as much in house animator's as boruto which makes the director handle more jobs than he should on top of being a long runnig anime. I haven't seen world trigger but if it was worse than what BC is facing, that is really terrible
 

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Keep in mind that the Bleach anime ended when legal anime streaming was still new and very niche, and Toriko also ended when it was a niche thing for late-night shows, many limited to the US. They needed to rely almost entirely on Japanese popularity. Plus Toriko lasted for 2 years after the anime ended with almost dead rankings, Bleach for 4 years.

Nowadays though you'd got legal anime streams all across the world, and licensing is profitable enough that Shokugeki got more anime because it was so successful overseas. Black Clover doing really well overseas is enough to keep it going. That's in addition to new long running series still being a thing studios wanted back then, but now everything is 1 or 2 cour, so Pierrot might not be able to replace Black Clover if it ends. The current situation is very different.

Black Clover's going to hit ch 400 whether you like it or not, maybe 500 if Tabata wants it. It's had 250 chapters so far, it can do 250 more.

Especially in a magazine that'll soon be half filled with manga less than a year old, none of which sell over 20k.
 
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Sure. 1.5-2 years is the duration I state. Easily puts BC to within 350-400 chapters. Nothing to scoff at. It's definitely not getting cancelled tomorrow and neither did anyone even imply that.
Doesn't mean the series is immune to WSJ's well known axe or won't get transfered to another magazine if deemed unnecessary in the magazine anymore.

But anyway, at this point people are just gonna keep reiterating what they think is gonna happen. So no point in this debate any longer

Let's review this end of 2021, see what BC's fate looks like and see who would up being right.

For BC's fans sake, I hope someone mentions it on a talk show so it gets another boost.
Otherwise, I genuinely feel some of you are going to be very disappointed, much like S8 fans.
 

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the weirdest thing about that TV Tokyo list, is 2019's YGO is doing well

isn't that VRAINS?? I don't pay too much attention to anime sales info but I remember reading it's the biggest flop in YGO history, so that wasn't true then?

Time Paradox Ghost Writer (Cover and LCP) *New Series*
The Promised Neverland
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Kimetsu no Yaiba (CP) *End*
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My Hero Academia
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Cover, Lead CP: Jujutsu Kaisen
CP: Black Clover, Time Paradox Ghost Writer, Yuugen to Jorei Gakkyuu (One Shot by Tsukuda Yuuto (story) and Saeki Shun (artwork))




goodbye KnY, and thank you Crocodile for your hard work

I hope Gotouge start a new manga asap and that manga sales pick up where KnY left, I just want to see how much bigger the sales can get before stabilizing

next week JJK anime info, it's been 3000 years but now people can finally stop complaining about the lack of info on it
 

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Kishimoto, in his comments on the final volume of Samurai 8, wrote: "This manga was inspired by the dialogue between the main characters of the movie AKIRA, in the scene where they're in prison."
 

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Kishimoto, in his comments on the final volume of Samurai 8, wrote: "This manga was inspired by the dialogue between the main characters of the movie AKIRA, in the scene where they're in prison."
....This is flabbergasting on so many levels.
 

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Does anyone have a video of that exact scene? Because I honestly don't remember that scene.
 

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Kishimoto, in his comments on the final volume of Samurai 8, wrote: "This manga was inspired by the dialogue between the main characters of the movie AKIRA, in the scene where they're in prison."
I loved the japanese comments to this story. They were all like: "Don't start blaming Akira for your failure now" or "So it's Akira's fault for this mess"
 

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You'd think a space adventure series would be inspired by something space-related.

But I guess it turns out, in the end, genuinely the only reason they were in space really was just to make the characters stronger than in Naruto. He could have set it actually on the scale of an amoeba and it would've made zero difference to the plot, since it never used the huge scale for anything that mattered beyond showing how strong the villains were.
 

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I haven't seen world trigger but if it was worse than what BC is facing, that is really terrible
WT had real stretch problems. There was a scene where two guys were yelling at each other for like 2 minutes and you were just sitting there as a watcher wondering how long it takes to fall 10 meter. It was so bad it became hilarious again.
 

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In les than 24 hours:

-Third place in the toc and color page for next week
-Top 5 of most lucrative anime franchises for Tv Tokyo
-Almost all volumes + spinoff getting reprints

Good day for Black Clover, is clearly going to end in 1/2 years if keeps like that :fan
 
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