Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2020] - Discussion and ToC Talk

[Shinuki no Reborn]

MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10

Good Votes!

 

[Halloween]

Moderator Notice:
Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween

 

[Ryuusei]

Spoiler: 52 TOC & 01 Preview

呪 僕 O マ ブ S C D 破 C B 夜 C 僕 あ 灼 ぼ チ 高 ア 森 A 仄 ぼ 次号カラー ヒロアカ アンデラ 夜桜 約ネバ 道産子 GIGA 岸本先生が描くコラボポスター 爆豪クリアファイル

Spoiler: Issue #52 ToC & Preview

Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
My Hero Academia
One Piece
Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
Build King
Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
Ayakashi Triangle (CP)
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
Bokura no Ketsumei

Issue #1
Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

GIGA Preview
Collab poster by Kishimoto
Bakugou clear file

 

[Stivie]

Some people fail to understand the reason why the MC of TPGW is unlikeable. The author is trying way too hard to make us sympathize and root for the pathetic MC because he's hardworking and feels remorse which is why it's irritating. If he stopped pretending with the guilt or nice guy act, maybe it would easier for me to read but the author here is clearly trying to paint him as a victim.

Isn't it better to comment on the topic of Time paradox?

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Shounen - Time Paradox Ghostwriter by Kenji Ichima & Tsunehiro Date

Synopsis On a cold and stormy night, I decide to give up on my dream. But lightning strikes! And now I have an issue of Shonen Jump from the future! Teppei Sasaki is a passionate rookie manga artist who dreams of getting a series in Weekly Shonen Jump. One day, he gets a copy of Jump from ten...

mangahelpers.com

 

[Midak]

Some people fail to understand the reason why the MC of TPGW is unlikeable. The author is trying way too hard to make us sympathize and root for the pathetic MC because he's hardworking and feels remorse which is why it's irritating. If he stopped pretending with the guilt or nice guy act, maybe it would easier for me to read but the author here is clearly trying to paint him as a victim.

That is true. I believe that eventually Teppei will improve as a character, but this is WSJ afterall, where your manga is not guaranteed to survive for long unless the readers start to like it very early on. I am going to continue reading for a few more chapters, but I am starting to lose hope.

About the other series, I found them better than last week overall.
Among the ones I follow, Act-Age was probably the best, but Dr Stone is starting to get interesting once again.

I love the chubby cat in preview. :-) Similar to the one from Black Cat.

 

[Ryuusei]

That's true.

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Makes me wonder if the fujoshi from it will distance themselves considering there's a hot girl there now lol

Bold of you to assume that's how shipping works (or that fujoshi are reading the series, really).

New reprints update

全 (full reprints)
6月25日出来 ジャンプコミックス 『マッシュル―MASHLE― 1』 甲本 一
6月30日出来 ジャンプコミックス 『呪術廻戦 11』 芥見 下々

June 25 Mashle 1
June 30 Jujutsu Kaisen 11

Mashle getting reprints straight to the bookstores is the good stuff, really want to see how volume 2 fares in August. It seems like everytime Jujutsu releases a volume it gets reprints, just raise the first print already lol.

The September Jump volume list is out

WSJ
One Piece 97
My Hero Academia 28
Yuragi-sou no Yuuna-san 23
Dr. Stone 17
Undead Unluck 3

Jump+
Jigokuraku 11
My Hero Academia Vigilantes 10
Boukyaku Battery 8
Koisuru One Piece 5
How to Make Delicious Coffee 4
Murders at the House of Death 3
Seiya no Koushin Revenge 2
Suito-to! 2
An Amateur E-tuber Streaming a Space War 2
Sunny Birdie 2
Jisatsu Houjo 1
Manken no Bishoujo 1
Jigokuraku (Gag spinoff)



A full reprint (全)

September is actually going to be a very uneventful month lol. The most curious thing about this list is My Hero Academia releasing a volume after two months, which hasn't happened since volume 22.

 

[Stivie]

Some people fail to understand the reason why the MC of TPGW is unlikeable. The author is trying way too hard to make us sympathize and root for the pathetic MC because he's hardworking and feels remorse which is why it's irritating. If he stopped pretending with the guilt or nice guy act, maybe it would easier for me to read but the author here is clearly trying to paint him as a victim.

People understand. The point is that those who are complaining about the MC's attitudes, do not understand that it is still early for some things to happen.
If everything happens now it would be a mini series.
We know that the manga is in danger of being canceled, we cannot speed up the pace and lose ourselves even more.
I think this is a topic that will be better addressed in the topic of the manga.

 

[Newkerzy]

September is actually going to be a very uneventful month lol. The most curious thing about this list is My Hero Academia releasing a volume after two months, which hasn't happened since volume 22.

Vol. 28 might be the end of this arc, unless I’m mistaken. So I guess it makes sense to release them in a short interval of time. Unless it turns out that S5 is airing this fall, as a promotion of sorts. Which is incredibly unlikely, especially with Covid-19 still around.

 

[NeeNeen]

People understand. The point is that those who are complaining about the MC's attitudes, do not understand that it is still early for some things to happen.
If everything happens now it would be a mini series.
We know that the manga is in danger of being canceled, we cannot speed up the pace and lose ourselves even more.
I think this is a topic that will be better addressed in the topic of the manga.

Of course we understand that it is still early for some things to happen. That doesn't mean we can't be annoyed by how the MC is acting now. I didn't wait until the end of DBZ to decide that I didn't like what Frieza was doing.

It's not like what we say here is going to affect the manga getting cancelled anyway.

(I think it's fair to talk about it in this thread, since it's about people's reception of a new series.)

 

[Stivie]

Of course we understand that it is still early for some things to happen. That doesn't mean we can't be annoyed by how the MC is acting now. I didn't wait until the end of DBZ to decide that I didn't like what Frieza was doing.

It's not like what we say here is going to affect the manga getting cancelled anyway.

(I think it's fair to talk about it in this thread, since it's about people's reception of a new series.)

But I'm not talking about whether we like the protagonist or not, this is everyone's taste.
My question is another, I see so many manga dealing with a topic worse than plagiarism, and none of them generates this child criticism.

 

[SiMidori]

Vol. 28 might be the end of this arc, unless I’m mistaken. So I guess it makes sense to release them in a short interval of time. Unless it turns out that S5 is airing this fall, as a promotion of sorts. Which is incredibly unlikely, especially with Covid-19 still around.

MHA chapters had fewer pages for quite some time,
since around +- chap 260 MHA, they have the normal lenght (20p),
less chapters per volume, delay decrease between volumes
That's why they can release vol 28 in september (imo)

 

[Ctkk]

MHA should already be halfway through Volume 28 chapter-wise. The weird thing is 27 is taking so long to come out.

 

[Tarot]

But I'm not talking about whether we like the protagonist or not, this is everyone's taste.
My question is another, I see so many manga dealing with a topic worse than plagiarism, and none of them generates this child criticism.

Why is it so hard for you to understand? The author is trying to make us root and cheer for an MC who plagiarized another work. It doesn't help that he's an unskilled loser who acts like it's now his duty to finish the work.

 

[Stivie]

Why is it so hard for you to understand? The author is trying to make us root and cheer for an MC who plagiarized another work. It doesn't help that he's an unskilled loser who acts like it's now his duty to finish the work.

Why do I understand that this is the manga's proposal. The idea was always to talk about a guy who was wrong and will pay for that error in the future.
I reread this manga a few, and I didn't see any of that you're accusing.
Plagiarism is no worse than a guy who has a notebook that can kill anyone just by writing the name.

 

[James Rye]

The real question is how long she may stick around given that

Spoiler

she is the antagonist

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Don't forget what item the boys threw away in ch.1.^^

Agravity hit the spot for me this week, very enjoyable. If it keeps bringing chapters like this, I don't want it to leave yet...

"Give me boobs or give me Axe!" XD
Seriously though I am curious to see how Chris gets through this spicy situation.^^

 

[NeeNeen]

But I'm not talking about whether we like the protagonist or not, this is everyone's taste.
My question is another, I see so many manga dealing with a topic worse than plagiarism, and none of them generates this child criticism.

Don't they? I remember people getting pretty upset about the guy from Undead Unluck touching the girl's breasts. Some people refuse to read the series even now for that very reason.

I think it's quite normal for people to complain when manga characters (arguably) break the law but are presented as heroes nonetheless. The only ways to get around that is a) if the law is completely unfair and the hero is fighting against it, or b) if the 'hero' unapologetically declares himself a criminal ("I'M GONNA BE A PIRATE!!") and sticks to it, because then at least you can respect their determination and courage.

Why do I understand that this is the manga's proposal. The idea was always to talk about a guy who was wrong and will pay for that error in the future.
I reread this manga a few, and I didn't see any of that you're accusing.
Plagiarism is no worse than a guy who has a notebook that can kill anyone just by writing the name.

Do you seriously think people weren't critisising Light back then? I read the manga ten years after it came out and the discussions still wouldn't stop. Just because the internet wasn't as big before doesn't mean people weren't complaining.

 

[tirakai]

Light is the villain of Death Note. He's not shown as the victim, or a good guy, or a well-intention nice guy who makes understandable mistakes, he's a monster who uses the book to pretend he's a god. Not to mention L is introduced in ch 1, and he's shown as an equally matched opponent in ch 2, so you're never left feeling forced to root for this villain. You can want Light to fail and still enjoy the series just as much, because you can side with L instead.

Ghost writer is not the same kind of thing at all, here the series portrays the mc as a victim who's doesn't have a choice and is doing the right thing in the circumstances, when he's very obviously not and could easily just admit his guilt. There's nobody else to root for either since everyone else in the series thinks he's the best.

The premise has tons of potential for cool plotlines, but seeing it focus the very important introduction arc on the main character being an unlikeable and arrogant idiot but treat it as him doing the right thing doesn't give me much hope that it'll explore them well. And you can't just 'wait to see what happens later' because it'll be cancelled by then if people don't like the beginning.

 

[Stivie]

Don't they? I remember people getting pretty upset about the guy from Undead Unluck touching the girl's breasts. Some people refuse to read the series even now for that very reason.

I think it's quite normal for people to complain when manga characters (arguably) break the law but are presented as heroes nonetheless. The only ways to get around that is a) if the law is completely unfair and the hero is fighting against it, or b) if the 'hero' unapologetically declares himself a criminal ("I'M GONNA BE A PIRATE!!") and sticks to it, because then at least you can respect their determination and courage.



Do you seriously think people weren't critisising Light back then? I read the manga ten years after it came out and the discussions still wouldn't stop. Just because the internet wasn't as big before doesn't mean people weren't complaining.

If people were complaining I have no idea.
But that did not cause death note to be canceled with 3 volumes.

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Light is the villain of Death Note. He's not shown as the victim, or a good guy, or a well-intention nice guy who makes understandable mistakes, he's a monster who uses the book to pretend he's a god. Not to mention L is introduced in ch 1, and he's shown as an equally matched opponent in ch 2, so you're never left feeling forced to root for this villain.

Ghost writer is not the same kind of thing at all, here the series portrays the mc as a victim who's doesn't have a choice and is doing the right thing in the circumstances, when he's very obviously not and could easily just admit his guilt. There's nobody else to root for either since everyone else in the series thinks he's the best.

The premise has tons of potential for cool plotlines, but seeing it focus the very important introduction arc on the main character being an unlikeable and arrogant idiot but treat it as him doing the right thing doesn't give me much hope that it'll explore them well. And you can't just 'wait to see what happens later' because it'll be cancelled by then if people don't like the beginning.

This only strengthens the narrative that Light is more evil than Teppei, and that criticism of plagiarism is childish.

 

[tirakai]

Light being evil is exactly the point, how do still not understand?

Light is the villain of Death Note, and that's on purpose. You're not supposed to like him. The appeal is seeing Light and L's crazy schemes, always trying to out-smart each other.

We are however supposed to sympathise with and like Teppei, despite having no reason to like him so far, he's just an ass who makes arrogant decisions and gets away with it. There's no other side like L either, if you don't like Teppei and don't want him to succeed then the manga just kinda sucks.

 

[AbrahamOmosun]

I think the MC of TPGW is going through sunk cost fallacy. Once he submitted the one-shot, he dug himself into a hole he doesn't know how to get out from so he continues digging himself deeper (which makes it harder for him to turn back thus making continuing look like an easier option) giving himself guilt easing tibits like "duty" and "honour" and whatnot in an attempt to make it easier for him to do. (except it seems not to be working)

Sure he could fess up and tell the truth except (1) the truth involves a time machine and (2) he has already played the charade for sometime, it seems easier just to continue it. Maybe the next few chapters will. address this.

By all means TPGW could go sideways and get U19-ed but I am quite okay with this 4 chapters.

 

[Stivie]

Light being evil is exactly the point, how do still not understand?

Light is the villain of Death Note, and that's on purpose. You're not supposed to like him. The appeal is seeing Light and L's crazy schemes, always trying to out-smart each other.

We are however supposed to sympathise with and like Teppei, despite having no reason to like him so far, he's just an ass who makes arrogant decisions and gets away with it. There's no other side like L either, if you don't like Teppei and don't want him to succeed then the manga just kinda sucks.

Again...

This only strengthens the narrative that Light is more evil than Teppei, and that criticism of plagiarism is childish.

 

[Halloween]

Again...

This only strengthens the narrative that Light is more evil than Teppei, and that criticism of plagiarism is childish.

Stivie, you're repeating yourself now.

I don't mind you all discussing TPGW, but repeating arguments verbatim is where I draw the line.

You've made your point. It's time to move on (this applies to others as well).

 

[tirakai]

Bringing it around to another new series then, we should see Moriking's first rank on Wednesday. Time for the ToC first placement poll?

I feel like gag manga are the hardest to guess, since everyone has a slightly different sense of humour. I found Moriking's first chapter weaker than the other recent gag manga, but maybe Japanese readers will like it? Spring Weapon eventually did okay in the magazine, and it's pretty much the same series but with insects instead of robots.