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MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10


Good Votes!
 
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Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween
 
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呪 僕 O マ ブ S C D 破 C B 夜 C 僕 あ 灼 ぼ チ 高 ア 森 A 仄 ぼ 次号カラー ヒロアカ アンデラ 夜桜 約ネバ 道産子 GIGA 岸本先生が描くコラボポスター 爆豪クリアファイル
Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
My Hero Academia
One Piece
Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
Build King
Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
Ayakashi Triangle (CP)
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
Bokura no Ketsumei

Issue #1
Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

GIGA Preview
Collab poster by Kishimoto
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Yozakura Backlog hadn't charted at all so it makes me wonder when reprints will be shown, since last volume volume 2 showed up on shoseki
 

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MangaPlus IDs confirm that Bone Collection's getting axed next issue. Third axe is a toss-up between TPGW and Agravvity Boys.
How can you see it by the IDs?
 

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Okay, Ghostwriter seems to actually be holding better than the other two in it's batch. Though I think that says more about Moriking than it does about Ghostwriter. Not looking too good.

And I'm guessing Rengoku got axed. Jesus, #404 with only three days. I had thought it ended on it's own terms (maybe it did) but it's unlikely. Also real surprised at how well Torture Princess is doing -at least, it's doing ebtter than I thought.

Ah, it's the 6th. I can see why Mashle dropped more than usual - I thought it just fell below the Kimetsu Wall, but that was the initial drop. Turns out, new established manga from other magazines came out today. Gotta check on those.
Rengoku sells way better in digital, apparently. The editor tweeted the first 3 volumes had sold 90k (with like 10k on shoseki for the 3 combined), and i think volume 4 had 100k on the obi. So it has that going, I guess.

Wasn't he only 18 when he won?

More than likely Shueisha just believes he's too young.

Incidentally, we've now gone another year without the GFC, so it seems that the contest is well and truly dead.
It could still come back, but I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to just retire it for good. I mean, GFC winners have been disastrous for a decade at this point.

Shoseki Daily Ranking - 8/6

Jump


#1 Haikyu!! 44
#3 Jujutsu Kaisen 12
#4 Chainsaw Man 8
#13 We Never Learn 18
#47 Mashle 2
#71 Mission: Yozakura Family 4
#146 Time Paradox Ghostwriter 1
#209 Moriking 1
#263 Mitama Security 4
#367 Bone Collection 1
#435 Guardian of the Witch 2

Jump+

#14 World's End Harem 12
#93 'Tis Time for "Torture", Princess 3
#112 Summertime Rendering 11
#141 Hidarikiki no Eren 13
#271 Toda Oto Tenpenshuu Niku wo Hagu 1
#341 Youkoso Bourei Sougiya-san 2
#404 Rengoku no Toshi 4
#498 Hachurui-chan wa Natsukanai 3
Timepara atleast didn't fall much (although it doesn't look like sales will matter at this point, not that they'll be any good regardless), while moriking keeps dropping and mitama/bone/witch...well, all do bad, but that's expected.

People are lining up for the new KnY collection at UNIQLO and cinemas to buy the tickets for the movie

There are two active tags for each on Twitter Japan
Lining up for shirts. Okay. Just kimetsu things I guess. Apparently they had to limit tickets to 6 per person (resellers i guess?).
 

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Jump posted the entire first chapter of TPGW on Twitter yesterday:
Welp. There you have it. After skimming through the comments, yeah, it’s seems that the Japanese fanbase absolutely hated TPGW lol (just based on the twitter post. I understand these ppl don’t represent all of jump’s fanbase)
 

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Welp. There you have it. After skimming through the comments, yeah, it’s seems that the Japanese fanbase absolutely hated TPGW lol
Mh, I wouldn't even say the Twitter comments are all that negative. Some people hate it, some people like it, some are cautious because of the recent positions of the ToC and the latest chapter developments. It's not like all answers are negative.
 

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You don't need to see random twitter comments to know TPGW is being badly received. Just look at it's placements in the TOC for that.
 

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You don't need to see random twitter comments to know TPGW is being badly received. Just look at it's placements in the TOC for that.
I personally don’t believe that bottom ranked series necessarily always means that ppl hate a series.

I could like and enjoy a series just fine. But if I’m only able to vote for 3 series I like, im probably going to vote for the things I love. Doesn’t necessarily mean I hate or think the series i didn’t vote for is terrible. It’s just not something I like enough to vote in my top 3
 

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I personally don’t believe that bottom ranked series necessarily always means that ppl hate a series.

I could like and enjoy a series just fine. But if I’m only able to vote for 3 series I like, im probably going to vote for the things I love. Doesn’t necessarily mean I hate or think the series i didn’t vote for is terrible. It’s just not something I like enough to vote in my top 3
People in Japan are well aware that NOT voting for a new series in WSJ basically leads to its end.
Bottom placed series are there because the vast majority of people who vote in the polls don't think it's good enough to earn a vote. Does that mean they absolutely hate the series? Probably not all of them as I'm sure some just thought it was a below average series but it certainly does mean they did not like it enough to vote.

Not liking a series enough to vote = badly received (which is what I said in my comment).
Hate is a strong word and unless someone goes outta their way to discourage everyone they know from reading it, they probably don't "hate" it.
A lot of us seem to just use the term "hate" as a more animated way of saying "dislike"
 

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Before the new batch hits, how would you all rank all Jump series you read rn in terms of current (not overall) enjoyment?

For me;

1. Chainsaw Man- Wonder how the ending will hit, regardless this will easily go down as one of my favorite manga. Transcendent for Jump.

2. Mashle- Loving this so much. Feels like Helck+Shaman King. P.s. if you haven't read Helck, read it now. Starts as a comedy, eventually turns into a demon/human war epic.

3. Undead x Unluck- I had a lot of issues early on, and still can find it to be somewhat problematic. Despite that I've kind of fallen in love with this series insane energy, creativity, and passion.

4. Boiled Pig & Dolphin- Would have been cooler if instead of a pig he was like a coast guard moved to a small cost guard base. Basically the same premise only it doesn't make me feel averse to reading it. Regardless, I love Tamura. His imagination, comedy, and tonal scope are always something I find myself on board with.

5. Black Clover- Pure battle shonen fun. I'll always be amazed at how much Tabata has improved as a mangaka over the years.


Time Paradox Ghostwriter- this is a ridiculously fun trainwreck. Rest in time.

Jujutsu Kaisen- tbh I find his pacing to be suffering a lot during these longer arcs so my enjoyment is often fractured. This arc has had some extremely high highs though.

One Piece- tbh, exactly what I said about jjk applies to one piece rn.

Dr. Stone- this recent arc has been pretty fun. Series is so hit or miss for me though.

Ayakashi Triangle- I like the premise and characters, and i'm a big Yabuki fan. I'd like for there to be a bit more going on though.

Moriking- initially I found this series super strong. However I feel now that the mangaka thinks he's safe he's been playing it more safely as a result. The gags while initially great have felt repetitive and the world building has been put on the back burner

Agravity Boys- I love this series, but I have not loved this current arc.


Mitama- it's cute but I've never been wowed by a chapter. Won't really miss it.

Bone Collection.- loved this early on when it felt like a comedy manga with a battle aesthetic. However the mangaka just doesn't yet have the storytelling or art skills to do action and plot heavy stuff.
Hopefully next time they come back with a comedy manga.

My Hero Academia- Just a bunch of obnoxiously loud noise.

Yozakura- Just terrible.

Not caught up with anything else.
 
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1. Chainsaw Man - This series is just extraordinary in so many ways. If it's going to end soon, so be it. I'm just grateful to Fujimoto that this existed (even tho I hate him for the previous chapter)

2. Mashle - This series is just pure fun even with its just battle and not comedy. I really hope this blows up and stays for a long ass time. None of the villains right now will be the main villains. I'm sure they will all be future allies for when Mash takes down the system.

3. Jujutsu Kaisen - If not for CSM, this would've been the most interesting battle manga from WSJ in a while. I'm super glad this exists. Excited for the anime and I'm definitely telling my friends to watch it.

4. Hard Boiled Cop & Dolphin - The first 3 chapters were a huge miss for me. But chapter 4 onwards (I think) just hit home so well. I just remember laughing at Tamura's insane knack for comedy from chapter 4 onwards. I wish this keeps going and does not get the axe. Not being optimistic tho.

5. Magu-chan - Such a wholesome little biscuit, this series is. Hope this survives. But I'm not getting optimistic.

6. Hero Academia - The arcs leading up to this in the last 50 chapters have been very solid. Lets see where this goes from here.

7. Time Paradox - I was very intrigued initially and it had my attention but the constant time skips just fucked the flow of the series so much. Too bad since it had potential in it's setting. This just proves that we need a proper time travel manga in WSJ.

Don't really read anything else at this point. Want to catch up on Act Age next and probably eventually OP (just so much effort required for this).
 

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Before the new batch hits, how would you all rank all Jump series you read rn in terms of current (not overall) enjoyment?
1. Mashle
2. CSM
3. UU
4. JJK
5. Magu
6. Hard Boiled Cop & Dolphin
7. MHA
8. TPGW
9. BC

Enjoyment ≠ quality, so this is what it would look like for me of the series I'm still reading weekly. I enjoy everything on this list though, it's just a matter of which I enjoy the most, or I wouldn't be bothered to stay up to date with it. Mashle, CSM, UU and JJK have been consistently my favourites for a few weeks though.
 

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Before the new batch hits, how would you all rank all Jump series you read rn in terms of current (not overall) enjoyment?
1. Act Age - One of my favourites in current jump. All arcs are good, the characters are all fenomenal. The writing is so good. I'm as invested in the current arc as I've been in all other. Pure excellency.

2. One Piece: As good as always, but it was really hard to be invested in these last weeks, even though there are good chapters, because of the constant weeks the series is in hiatus. I understand it's all caused by Covid situation, but it ended hurting a little my enjoyment. The waiting kills some of the hype.

3. Chainsawman - I didn't like it at the start but thanks god I kept reading it. It's easily one of the best series in current jump. The narrative is fenomenal, in writing and also in visual communication. I'll really miss it if it's really ending soon.

4. Mitama Secureity: I liked it from begging to end and I'll really miss it. It was so pure.

5. Jujutsu Kaisen - I really like the current arc, it has so many good moments and hype. The only thing that bugs me with the series is that it's narrative is a little fragmented, and I always forget whats happening or who some characters are. It's easier to binge read than read weekly.

6. Undead Unlucky: At each chapter I like it more and more. The battles are funny, the characters are good. I really like it and each arc is a delight to read.

7. Magu-chan: I'm loving it and I'm looking forward for what's to come!

8. Moriking: I really like Moriking. I love the characters, I love the wholesomeness of the series. Currently one of my favourite series. Just like Mitama, it's so pure.

9. Dr. Stone - I really like the current arc! I think Dr Stone has finally found its perfect balance in comedy, science moments and battle. The only arc I didn't enjoy was the one with a lot of battles. It's a very light and easy to read series.

10. Paradox Ghostwriter: I really like it. It's a shame it's so rushed now and feels like axe and got all this hate (that I'll never understand).

11. My Hero Academia: After the peak the series had with OFA X AFO, I think it never reached it again and since then the series has become very average to me. The current arc is cool but I can't feel invested by the characters or anything. The thing I enjoy the most in the series is the art.

12. Black Clover: I prefer Black Clover with short arcs. This one is looking like it will be longer than usual so I'm still divided. But enjoying it anyway, and the art is so good - but I don't see people talking about it like they do for MHA.

13. Mashle: I enjoy it a little but don't understand all the hype. It's average to me, I still think the series is finding it's own balance and getting there, but it didn't reach that point for me, yet. I'm liking it now that it's more battles than comedy.

14. Cop and Dolphin: It's very weird but I'm enjoying it. The art is good, and I'm curious with the story. It's a cool read.

15. Yozakura Family - I don't know. Sometimes I like it, sometimes I don't... For me, even though I enjoy reading it, it makes no difference in the magazine and I wouldn't miss it if it was axed. The series is so stagnant and goes nowhere. I can't feel invested with anything because everything, with the exception of Taiyo and Mutsumi, is underused.

16. Agravity Boys: Meh. It's not my kind of humour, the jokes don't land for me, the characters (excluding Chris) are all annoying. I read it purely because I like to read the magazine as a whole.

17. Bone Collection: I don't like it. Read purely because I like reading the magazine as a whole. The characters are annoying, it's not my kind of humour, the fanservice is annoying, the art is weak.

18. Ayakashi Triangle: Bleh. The art is good, even though it suffers of sameface syndrome for me.

19. Roboco: The series I currently dislike the most. Currently reading it by the same reason I explained already.
 
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Hard-Boiled Cop & Dolphin - I love it for some strange reason, its weirdness attracts me and gives me Gintama vibes (the best vibes of them all). It gives me the idea that beyond the insanities it has a story that wants to tell and I hope it will be able to do so. Of the latest batch, surely the most awaited first ranking for me (not high hopes though).

One Piece - In terms of "current enjoyment", it's beginning to wrap up a major arc and that is the most enjoyable moment for any big shonen series. The perspective of a huge final arc also adds to its current enjoyment.

Undead x Unluck - Love the world setting and the pace of the events. The current arc is not the most interesting, like another user once said it needs a strong major arc to finally hit it big.

Black Clover - Pure battle shonen fun. Currently the fastest chapter to read and overall enjoyable without particular highs or lows.

Chainsaw Man - I caught up with it recently and I wrote plenty about it on its dedicate topic. To sum it up, I love how it feels different from everything else but I have problems with how easily (and sometimes casually) the events can turn for the worse at any moment.

Moriking - I still enjoy its humour but it's starting to be "more of the same", the problem is I don't know if it can do something different from what it's doing right now. Kinda worried for the drop in ToC and for the bad sales.

Magu-Chan: God of Desctruction - the last two chapters didn't resonate with me. I see that it is still very liked though, so I hope it is just a phase for me since I really loved how it began.

Mashle - Not a fan of the recent serious developments and I like it more when it is comedic. I really liked the last chapter though (which was serious).

Time Paradox Ghostwriter - I don't know if I like it or not. I like the single chapters (in fact, I always rank them high) but overall it feels too rushed. I like that they are trying to show all the plot points they had in mind, though. I will always wonder how it would have developed had its initial popularity not been so low.

Me & Roboco - Hit or miss. Every chapter, a gag or two make me really laugh, but it's not good when your chapter is full of gags.

Bone Collection - Liked it more when it had comedy vibes, the japanese audience didn't resonate with me though. Won't miss it particularly. It will be the first series that I will read from beginning to "axe" since I discovered Mangaplus, so it is a good first taste of what I should expect over and over from here on.

Ayakashi Triangle - Not a great fan of the ecchi genre. I don't know if I will ever enjoy it. This is very personal though because I recognize that the structure is very solid.



Bonus mention: Act-Age - I am catching up with it, currently at chapter 30 or so. This is a brilliant example of "series that can really shine if you give it some time and don't rush with the axe". I love the clumsiness of the MC and the different personalities of all of the supporting cast.
 
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