Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2020] - Discussion and ToC Talk

[Shinuki no Reborn]

MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10

Good Votes!

 

[Halloween]

Moderator Notice:
Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween

 

[Ryuusei]

Spoiler: 52 TOC & 01 Preview

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Spoiler: Issue #52 ToC & Preview

Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
My Hero Academia
One Piece
Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
Build King
Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
Ayakashi Triangle (CP)
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
Bokura no Ketsumei

Issue #1
Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

GIGA Preview
Collab poster by Kishimoto
Bakugou clear file

 

[Haato]

Real life is too depressing right now, I'm perfectly fine with lots of comedy stories to help bring a little joy to our miserable lives right now.

 

[Stivie]

but based in your logic 3 posts ago sket dance and gintama are almost the same series

Gintama had moments of fighting and sket dance also had drama. these were different, unlike Magu chan, Roboko and Moriking.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 20, 2020, Original Post Date: Sep 20, 2020 ---

I honestly doubt that, excluding the obvious one, you read any of these comedies.

I read and dropped it later, because it was more of the same.

 

[Chuck_Atlas]

Finally got to watch Jujutsu Kaisen’s first ep, it was a very well made first ep, really liked the fight choreography, the direction, the voice acting and camera angles; also the pacing I think felt a lot better than in the manga for some reason. MAPPA really put a ton of work on this one, hope the quality holds up for the rest of the anime.

Also the horror atmosphere worked well, it all really makes me want a Chainsaw Man anime more than ever right now lol, really hope we get an announcement for it before the year ends

 

[J4B1RU]

Gintama had moments of fighting and sket dance also had drama. these were different, unlike Magu chan, Roboko and Moriking.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 20, 2020, Original Post Date: Sep 20, 2020 ---

I read and dropped it later, because it was more of the same.

well, sket dance had one arc with fighting and gintama also had dramatic stuff
point is, the two did in their own ways although their similarities (and sket dance's joke that they were the poor version of gintama), like magu, roboko and moriking now, none of them are doing the same thing like u r implying
i really dont understand why are u complaining so much about this
in the end, it doesn't even matter

 

[Halloween]

Guys, we're not going to continuously complain week in and week out about WSJ having too many gag/exorcist/whatever series.

It's just arguing in circles, where no one makes any progress. Let's cut this behavior out, please.

 

[MrDropCombo]

The first ep of JJK was great, animation and pacing was spot on. Feel like Mappa really have a feel for the fluid choreography which some find hard to follow in the manga

 

[Mammo]

every time Mappa picks up a new project they immediately get backlash from the so called sakuga and insider leakers communities and every time they deliver (and to be clear I'm talking about their products which I can see with my own eyes and not their backstage business practices which I can't see)
same shit happened with OPM season 2 (dude trust me JC staff only have 2 finished episodes hurr durr) same shit happened with Haikyu s4 (dude trust me production IG is in major trouble!!) and both came and went and nothing happened

one day they're gonna be right and then they will say "see!! I told you so" when this entire time they where throwing stuff at the wall and hope something sticks
I really hope people just wait until stuff air and watch stuff and decide for themselves if they like it and not let these sus "influncers" influnce them, I'm pretty sure most of them are compensated (not necessarily with money) shills

Which contemporary Jump mangaka do you think would do a great delinquent series? I'd love to see something from Kawada,

Seiji Hayashi, with a Jimoto spiritual successor he will break the record for the fastest anime adaptation yet again
Kawada latest oneshot was a Hinomaru re-skin, not that it was bad or anything, I just wanted something different

Also, if Boiled Pig & Dolphin doesn't work out than I'd kill to see Tamura back with a delinquent sports series. Maybe rugby?

if Shark and Dolphin flops then his next work might be outside of WSJ, it's his third series

I remember all the sobbing when Beelbu ended and all the wishing Tamura would come back fast
he really burned a lot of the good faith people had in him with Marie and imo Nirai Kanai is walking the same path (so far at least)

 

[Stivie]

if Shark and Dolphin flops then his next work might be outside of WSJ, it's his third series

I remember all the sobbing when Beelbu ended and all the wishing Tamura would come back fast
he really burned a lot of the good faith people had in him with Marie and imo Nirai Kanai is walking the same path (so far at least)

But Tamura was successful with Beelzebub. Even with Hungry marie's failure and Shakunetsu's perhaps failure, could he not return for a fourth attempt?

 

[AbrahamOmosun]

every time Mappa picks up a new project they immediately get backlash from the so called sakuga and insider leakers communities and every time they deliver (and to be clear I'm talking about their products which I can see with my own eyes and not their backstage business practices which I can't see)
same shit happened with OPM season 2 (dude trust me JC staff only have 2 finished episodes hurr durr) same shit happened with Haikyu s4 (dude trust me production IG is in major trouble!!) and both came and went and nothing happened

Not that they are always wrong at least the sakuga people I follow. MAPPA produces a lot of anime and if they didn't have good animation producers being able to assemble robust teams, they would really be overwhelmed. Haikyuu did go through some production issues with some major staff leaving and its spilt cours.

Maybe the people you are talking about are over hyping the problems Most anime productions would have issues to varying degrees and sometimes it will be unrecognizable (I was surprised when I heard Eizouken had production issues and the final episode was delivered 4 days before it airing)

 

[101nemesis]

if Shark and Dolphin flops then his next work might be outside of WSJ, it's his third series

He's had one success with Beelzebub, I'm sure he'll be able to come back again.

 

[lazybones1717]

one day they're gonna be right and then they will say "see!! I told you so" when this entire time they where throwing stuff at the wall and hope something sticks

It's not like they're hoping for these projects to crash, lol. Most of the major sakuga fans who were (rightfully) worried about the state of the JJK anime were happy to see the results of Park and countless other talented animator's labor and were gleefully tweeting about it yesterday (I guess that doesn't fit with your narrative though).

The same with your other examples. OPM Season 2 had countless issues behind the scenes and was a mediocre product overall, but thanks to that, people discovered the work of Kenchiro Aoki (who basically carried the production with his cuts). Haikyu!! Season 4 had a more rough/rushed production cycle compared to the previous seasons, but that didn't stop people from appreciating its new style and animation philosophy led by several newcomers and veterans alike.

Believe it or not, it's possible to be worried about the hellish conditions of the anime industry, and appreciate the work of people who put in so much effort despite that. Park is an amazing director, sure, but there's valid criticism to have about MAPPA's constant overload and poor scheduling (problems that JJK is likely to run into eventually behind the scenes even with talented staff).

With the current state of the industry, I don't see a problem in being skeptical of the state of anime productions and the dubious practices of studios. These "sakuga influencers" (lol, this is cringy) that you have such a grudge against really love animation, which is why they think it's necessary to call out bad practices when they see it.

 

[Koni]

It's not like they're hoping for these projects to crash, lol. Most of the major sakuga fans who were (rightfully) worried about the state of the JJK anime were happy to see the results of Park and countless other talented animator's labor and were gleefully tweeting about it yesterday (I guess that doesn't fit with your narrative though).

The same with your other examples. OPM Season 2 had countless issues behind the scenes and was a mediocre product overall, but thanks to that, people discovered the work of Kenchiro Aoki (who basically carried the production with his cuts). Haikyu!! Season 4 had a more rough/rushed production cycle compared to the previous seasons, but that didn't stop people from appreciating its new style and animation philosophy led by several newcomers and veterans alike.

Believe it or not, it's possible to be worried about the hellish conditions of the anime industry, and appreciate the work of people who put in so much effort despite that. Park is an amazing director, sure, but there's valid criticism to have about MAPPA's constant overload and poor scheduling (problems that JJK is likely to run into eventually behind the scenes even with talented staff).

With the current state of the industry, I don't see a problem in being skeptical of the state of anime productions and the dubious practices of studios. These "sakuga influencers" (lol, this is cringy) that you have such a grudge against really love animation, which is why they think it's necessary to call out bad practices when they see it.

Wow, you explained this better than I ever could. I’m no sakuga enthusiast myself, but I like learning about the animation process. Gained an interest ever since I started watching HeroAca, and wanted to know more.

From what I gathered (I could be wrong), the industry in itself is rife with problems, but it doesn’t mean that talented people can’t produce amazing work. It’s just that if people can do it under these conditions, animation can flourish more if those conditions improve. The industry can afford it, after all.

Though were going off-topic. Um... what would your dream staff and studio be for a Chainsaw Man anime and why?

 

[Mammo]

It's not like they're hoping for these projects to crash, lol. Most of the major sakuga fans who were (rightfully) worried about the state of the JJK anime were happy to see the results of Park and countless other talented animator's labor and were gleefully tweeting about it yesterday (I guess that doesn't fit with your narrative though).

The same with your other examples. OPM Season 2 had countless issues behind the scenes and was a mediocre product overall, but thanks to that, people discovered the work of Kenchiro Aoki (who basically carried the production with his cuts). Haikyu!! Season 4 had a more rough/rushed production cycle compared to the previous seasons, but that didn't stop people from appreciating its new style and animation philosophy led by several newcomers and veterans alike.

Believe it or not, it's possible to be worried about the hellish conditions of the anime industry, and appreciate the work of people who put in so much effort despite that. Park is an amazing director, sure, but there's valid criticism to have about MAPPA's constant overload and poor scheduling (problems that JJK is likely to run into eventually behind the scenes even with talented staff).

With the current state of the industry, I don't see a problem in being skeptical of the state of anime productions and the dubious practices of studios. These "sakuga influencers" (lol, this is cringy) that you have such a grudge against really love animation, which is why they think it's necessary to call out bad practices when they see it.

their criticism seems selective, I never see them criticize Toei for example
they post a less than 1 minute long clip from a 24 mins episode as proof of how great they are
when the rest of the episode is nothing but close up shots and flashbacks

same with the pokemon anime, they bent over backward to defend Sun and Moon redesigns and how it's actually smart to abandon the old design for convenient modern day animations
and when they redesigned it again to be closer to the original for Sword and Shield, suddenly the old design are also great and work amazing

But Tamura was successful with Beelzebub. Even with Hungry marie's failure and Shakunetsu's perhaps failure, could he not return for a fourth attempt?

He's had one success with Beelzebub, I'm sure he'll be able to come back again.

I'm think it's 3 shots and you're out, rather than 3 failures and you're out
Asou had success with Saiki Kusou but 2 flops and now he's doing oneshots for SQ

 

[Newkerzy]

Wow, you explained this better than I ever could. I’m no sakuga enthusiast myself, but I like learning about the animation process. Gained an interest ever since I started watching HeroAca, and wanted to know more.

From what I gathered (I could be wrong), the industry in itself is rife with problems, but it doesn’t mean that talented people can’t produce amazing work. It’s just that if people can do it under these conditions, animation can flourish more if those conditions improve. The industry can afford it, after all.

Though were going off-topic. Um... what would your dream staff and studio be for a Chainsaw Man anime and why?

The Naruto anime (the great ones) were my first dip into Sakuga. Episode 82 of Shippuden, Minato vs Tobi, Kakashi vs Obito come to mind. But they’re so far and few in-between that I didn’t really get a deeper interest until MHA (God Bless Yutapon)

 

[AbrahamOmosun]

their criticism seems selective, I never see them criticize Toei for example
they post a less than 1 minute long clip from a 24 mins episode as proof of how great they are
when the rest of the episode is nothing but close up shots and flashbacks

They don't use that as proof of how great Toei is is, it is about how good the individual aninators/episode directors are despite the fact that they are working on a long running anime

 

[tirakai]

I'm think it's 3 shots and you're out, rather than 3 failures and you're out
Asou had success with Saiki Kusou but 2 flops and now he's doing oneshots for SQ

Kawashita had 4 series in WSJ before going elsewhere
Tsunomaru had 5 series, 4 of which were flops (1 before Midori no Makibao, 3 after)
Masakazu Katsura has had 7 series in wsj 3 of which were flops (though not 3 in a row)
Miyashita Akira has also had 7 series in wsj, 5 of which were flops (though again, not 3 in a row)

Sure they're old cases, but they're not going to just kick out a successful author because they've had 3 series already. Aso is probably just interested in doing a monthly series next, it's not unheard of for a successful weekly mangaka to go for a lighter schedule for their next stuff.

 

[James Rye]

Monthly does seem more humane than weekly for nearly every week the whole year through. No wonder hand, back and neck injuries are such a big thing in the Mangaka world with such a work schedule.

 

[lazybones1717]

their criticism seems selective, I never see them criticize Toei for example

I mean, to be fair, throughout the wasteland that is the anime industry, Toei is pretty much the only studio with an actual union and has made several management changes in recent years that have marginally improved their productions and afforded their staff more time. Toei also has a ton of talented staff to highlight!

That's not to say they don't have problems, lol. I don't know about you, but I've seen a fair bit of criticism about Toei from sakuga people and the way they spread talent too thin across productions (despite minor management improvements).

Every studio has its issues, but the scale varies greatly. MAPPA's problem with overbooking projects is a big issue with the industry at large, it makes sense to focus a lot of criticism on that.

same with the pokemon anime, they bent over backward to defend Sun and Moon redesigns and how it's actually smart to abandon the old design for convenient modern day animations
and when they redesigned it again to be closer to the original for Sword and Shield, suddenly the old design are also great and work amazing

I don't really follow the Pokemon anime closely, so I'm not really clear about the nuances of those productions, but those takes seem pretty compatible? Once again, it's okay to defend a bold creative decision that can give the animators much more freedom (the few cuts I've seen from Sun and Moon are pretty dang good), and also praise the older (I assume more complex) designs and how the ADs and such were able to make them work. I don't see an issue here.

Okay, I've veered off-topic a bit much, so time to get back on course, lol.

I’m no sakuga enthusiast myself, but I like learning about the animation process. Gained an interest ever since I started watching HeroAca, and wanted to know more.

what would your dream staff and studio be for a Chainsaw Man anime and why?

I pretty much have the same background with getting interested in the production process (just replace MHA with Haikyu!!)!

As for a CSM anime, I agree with the idea that an ideal production would be one that makes use of all the talented freelancers out there. CSM has so many amazing fan-animations, it would be a waste not to make use of that!

As far as core staff goes, my main wish has always been Takahiro Kishida as character designer. His love of clothing folds and weighty designs would be perfect for bringing Fujimoto's characters to life, lol.

For the director/studio, that's a tough one. I guess my ideal aesthetic for CSM would be something pretty muted with occasional highly saturated colors used in intense action scenes and to highlight specific elements (look at Fujimoto's color page for an example)? Considering that, I guess Masashi Ishihama at Cloverworks would be able to get the job done? He's currently on Horimiya though, so that's impossible now...

 

[Mammo]

They don't use that as proof of how great Toei is is, it is about how good the individual aninators/episode directors are despite the fact that they are working on a long running anime

they have been hyping this whole Wano arc as whole, not just the animators, when in fact there are few good moments and lot of bad ones
which was the case with all the previous OP arcs, Whole Cake, Zoo, Dress rosa, etc... have good moments too

I think they're trying to control the narrative, this is how stuff like a hate train for OPM s2 before the first episode even aired and a hate train for a s3 that doesn't even exist

even JJK anime had semi-hate train before we even got the trailer, you can see it even in this thread with people asking "where's the trailer?" "something's wrong" "this anime is doomed" every time the anime was brought up

my point is don't let anyone make your mind for you

Kawashita had 4 series in WSJ before going elsewhere
Tsunomaru had 5 series, 4 of which were flops (1 before Midori no Makibao, 3 after)
Masakazu Katsura has had 7 series in wsj 3 of which were flops (though not 3 in a row)
Miyashita Akira has also had 7 series in wsj, 5 of which were flops (though again, not 3 in a row)

Sure they're old cases, but they're not going to just kick out a successful author because they've had 3 series already. Aso is probably just interested in doing a monthly series next, it's not unheard of for a successful weekly mangaka to go for a lighter schedule for their next stuff.

I'm just assuming based on recent patterns
also, isn't Hatsukoi Limited a planned miniseries? does that count? I think it got an anime or ova or something

 

[WyldViolet]

they have been hyping this whole Wano arc as whole, not just the animators, when in fact there are few good moments and lot of bad ones
which was the case with all the previous OP arcs, Whole Cake, Zoo, Dress rosa, etc... have good moments too

I think they're trying to control the narrative, this is how stuff like a hate train for OPM s2 before the first episode even aired and a hate train for a s3 that doesn't even exist

even JJK anime had semi-hate train before we even got the trailer, you can see it even in this thread with people asking "where's the trailer?" "something's wrong" "this anime is doomed" every time the anime was brought up

my point is don't let anyone make your mind for you



I'm just assuming based on recent patterns
also, isn't Hatsukoi Limited a planned miniseries? does that count? I think it got an anime or ova or something

Iirc the director or someone high up on the staff really liked it and wanted to adapt it right off the bat and the manga was cancelled while the anime was early in production, Was something along those lines.