Mag Talk Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk

[Drmke]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

Akaboshi is low again....dammit. And Kuroko gets yet another color as it goes back into the bottom 5....way too much pimping.

 

[ruggia]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

I think famous author's name doesn't help Medaka to survive. There has been other famous magakas had axed after their success of previous works, like Watsuki, Nishi, Takei, Fujisaki, Tsunomaru, etc. Even the author is famous, if they didn't do well on next work, they'll get axed, not matter what, and I think this goes same to Nisio. Nisio is indeed famous light novelist, but it is his first manga and base on ranking, he's not doing very good.

but if two mangas with fairly similar condition are on the line for cancellation, which does WSJ prefer; one by a famous author, or one by not-so-famous one?
i know "famous" tag doesn't guarantee prolonged serialization, but isn't it a plus if its being compared to a one by an unknown author, especially since both are in a pretty bad situation?

and I don't think Akaboshi will be sales high enough to cover for anything.

i think its most likely for both of them being canceled, along with Kagijin.

 

[SameOld]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

Something tells me Medaka's sales will be astronomically high and the thought of cancelling it won't even cross the editors' heads. As for Akaboshi, unfortunately, I don't see how it could be saved at this point. I'm prepared for the worst.

On-topic: screw Kuroko.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

@ Kuroko dropping back down. At least it has color pages the following week, though. And it's selling decently enough that it shouldn't make too much of a difference.

 

[StrangerAtaru]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

I think at the rate things are going, Kuroko will make a year but we'll see from there. It's still a good start for a new mangaka to make a year and things will hopefully move from there but there is still the problem regarding sports series...but heck, I've come to the realization that it's not really for Jump anyway and we're probably not getting the next "Daiya no Ace" or "Cross Game" any time soon in this magazine.

Not really too much more to say...though I sort of just gave up figuring out logic regarding Reborn's colors this month excpet what they themselves said: it's "Ten month" being October.

 

[coinanmat]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

Bakuman's in the bottom five this week, but next week it's #1. Isn't that strange...
Really is a yo-yo series, don't you think.
Kagijin and Akaboshi still at the bottom. Kuroko's varied but it's generally been low.

That is wierd, why would that happen? And Its no suprise to me that Kagijin and Akaboshi are at the bottom.

 

[Negative Syndicate]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

Something tells me Medaka's sales will be astronomically high and the thought of cancelling it won't even cross the editors' heads. As for Akaboshi, unfortunately, I don't see how it could be saved at this point. I'm prepared for the worst.

On-topic: screw Kuroko.

Where did you get the information about Medaka's tank sales, from jbook or other place?

 

[Drmke]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

Where did you get the information about Medaka's tank sales, from jbook or other place?

He said "something tells me", which basically just means he thinks it will be very high.

 

[Mr. Prince]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

As for the Jbook charts...when I checked the rankings this morning (5 am, my time zone) Medaka was charting above Akaboshi. Constantly.
By now, Medaka doesn't even make the top 50 at Jbook...if I were to draw a conclusion from it, I'd say Medaka's first printing is sold out.

 

[jose]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

it's not only kuroko they are trying to pimp, ane doki too.

 

[Drmke]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

it's not only kuroko they are trying to pimp, ane doki too.

Ane Doki has only gotten one extra color so far and it was received farely well early on, and it is by a popular author so I wouldn't say its being pimped yet.

 

[Koen]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

Akaboshi's role might depend from Shingami's role. When Shinigami will be rated then a new round of axes will start. Akaboshi might be in a siilar situation psyren had. Psyren had awful positions too when it had the same amount of chapters like akaboshi. Kagijin is a certain axe and if shinigami will be a new muddy then akaboshi might be safe because it has a second cushion.

I don't believe that Jump would kill three battle (I count shinigami as one too) mangas in one row.

 

[Negative Syndicate]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

Akaboshi's role might depend from Shingami's role. When Shinigami will be rated then a new round of axes will start. Akaboshi might be in a siilar situation psyren had. Psyren had awful positions too when it had the same amount of chapters like akaboshi. Kagijin is a certain axe and if shinigami will be a new muddy then akaboshi might be safe because it has a second cushion.

I don't believe that Jump would kill three battle (I count shinigami as one too) mangas in one row.

I agree with you, too. The ranking of new series might change Akaboshi's fate. As far, in my opinion, both Hokenshitsu and Lilienthal didn't get worse from chapter 1, but it didn't get better either. I'm not sure how Lilienthal going to do on ranking, but I feel like Hokenshitsu might fall into the bottom 5 when it started to get rank.

 

[ruggia]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

I don't believe that Jump would kill three battle (I count shinigami as one too) mangas in one row.

but shinigami doesn't have any sign of battles at all. its more like school-life/supernatural/comedy (although i don't see much comedy in it)

but i then again, don't really shinigami doing well on Jump so it could become a cushion.

 

[Rejuvenation]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

Spoiler

Issue 46 Bottom 6
Medaka
Bakuman
Ane Dokii
Kuroko
Akaboshi
Kagijin

Issue 47
Lead CP: Bakuman
CP: Kuroko (25 pages), Reborn

Medaka just barely made it out of the Bottom 5 again. That is good and if it can manage that for a few more weeks along with good sales it should be fine.

Ane Doki in the bottom again though it has 3 series under it. Hopefully Kawashita can think of something so this one can last longer than Hatsukoi.

Kagijin is beyond saving and it doesn't look good for Akaboshi either.

@Bold

Kuroko is back where it belongs but god damn it, every time it falls in the bottom 5 Jump just has to give it a color page the next week. If something has this much color but still can barely go a month without being in the bottom they should take the hint.

It gets more color than almost everything else but still performs worse than series with half the amount of color.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

@Bold

Kuroko is back where it belongs but god damn it, every time it falls in the bottom 5 Jump just has to give it a color page the next week. If something has this much color but still can barely go a month without being in the bottom they should take the hint.

It gets more color than almost everything else but still performs worse than series with half the amount of color.

You're ignoring the fact that it sells well in collected form. Kuroko has passed the point where it's rankings are the ultimate factor in deciding its fate. Yes, it's getting a lot of color pages, but it's also established itself as a hit, so it makes sense that Jump would reward it.

 

[Drmke]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

You're ignoring the fact that it sells well in collected form. Kuroko has passed the point where it's rankings are the ultimate factor in deciding its fate. Yes, it's getting a lot of color pages, but it's also established itself as a hit, so it makes sense that Jump would reward it.

Its not so much that its getting color that bothers me and some other people, its the number of colors its getting. This will be the 8th color this year. That's more than series that consistently do much better in both sales and the ToC.

Two series that do better, Mago and Bakuman, have yet to see that kind of extremem support. Mago has gotten 3 colors while Bakuman will be getting its 5th. Both easily beat Kuroko but Kuroko gets nearly twice the amount of color pages. It seems like obvious pimping that I think is do to it being the only sports left and they want its popularity up fast.

Even with all that said, though, I still think it would have survived on its own even without all this unfair treatment.

 

[SameOld]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

You're ignoring the fact that it sells well in collected form. Kuroko has passed the point where it's rankings are the ultimate factor in deciding its fate. Yes, it's getting a lot of color pages, but it's also established itself as a hit, so it makes sense that Jump would reward it.

You make it sound far better than it actually is. Kuroko is still the third worst seller in the mag, despite being relatively new. Its sales are increasing, sure, but it's still far, FAR from being out of danger like, say, Mago is. If 60,000 copies per volume was a safe number, the Sket Dance fans would have stopped worrying about its safety a long time ago.

 

[Rejuvenation]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

You're ignoring the fact that it sells well in collected form. Kuroko has passed the point where it's rankings are the ultimate factor in deciding its fate. Yes, it's getting a lot of color pages, but it's also established itself as a hit, so it makes sense that Jump would reward it.

Other series sell just as much as Kuroko if not more yet none of them have 10 colors this year. For all the color they have thrown its way I sure as hell would hope that the thing would at least manage 50K. It would be utterly laughable if it hadn't broken that point despite all the color whoring.

Also this is not rewarding it. The last 3 times Kuroko has had a color page was because it had hit the bottom 5 the week before. In the case of July, it spent the whole month there even plummeting so far to where it was in the last spot of the mag next to Jaguar. Yet it still got color the first week of August.

If its rankings were less of a factor it wouldn't be getting color after getting a bottom 5 ranking more than once.

 

[Negative Syndicate]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

I'm starting think that Medaka and Akaboshi are low not because of they are not good, I think there isn't enough space for them.

Remeber that 2008 is very successful year for Jump (Psyren, Mago, Toriko, Bakuman, and Inumaru), there is just not enough space for 2009 series, like every 2009 series in Jump dropped bottom 5 at least twice. Also, three old series has finised and one series move to different magazine to make more space for 2009 series.

In order for these to escape from bottom 5, at lease one of older series has to go bottom 5. However, all of the old series already created their solid fanbase that they'll most llikely to vote their favourite series, so it is unlikely they'll push down to bottom 5. In conclusion, there is just not eough space for 2009 series.