Mag Talk Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk

[Rejuvenation]

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Blah, a boring/horrible one compared to that great Reborn cover last week. Hopefully this will be the last Naruto cover of the year and we won't get anymore.

What are you talking about?

A lot of people feel like his art isn't the same level as it once was since Part 1. Part of it is probably a style change but there have been some really bad panels throughout the 2nd half.

 

[Koen]

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Naruto has had worse covers. This is not a worse one, I like the cover. It's not a perfect one but it's decent imo

 

[Kaiten]

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Naruto has had worse covers but not many series have worth covers than Naruto. I like Kishi's black and white art, not his color or cover work. This won has a little to recommend, he's not screaming, scowling, or jumping.

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Hitman Reborn Color Pages

 

[◆ T.D.A ◆]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

Blah, a boring/horrible one compared to that great Reborn cover last week. Hopefully this will be the last Naruto cover of the year and we won't get anymore.



A lot of people feel like his art isn't the same level as it once was since Part 1. Part of it is probably a style change but there have been some really bad panels throughout the 2nd half.

Art in volume versions or in WSJ version? I mean it wouldn't be fair to compare part 1 volume art to part 2 WSJ art, since mistakes etc are corrected in the volumes.

But yeah part 1 art was nice.

 

[Rejuvenation]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

Like the reborn color pages. The one on the left a bit more than the one on the right though.

Art in volume versions or in WSJ version? I mean it wouldn't be fair to compare part 1 volume art to part 2 WSJ art, since mistakes etc are corrected in the volumes.

But yeah part 1 art was nice.

Both WSJ versions. Last time I recall people taking the last two arcs of Part 1 and comparing to some of the Part 2 versions.

 

[Kaiten]

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Moderator Notice:
Please, no more discussion of specific series. Further discussion of the quality of Naruto's art, past and present, will be considered off topic. Thanks ~ Kaiten.Sama

 

[pandaaqueen]

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#47 (19/10) :
Reborn (Couv, Page Couleur, Scoop)
Kuroko no Basket (Page Couleur & 25p)
One Piece (Absent)

updated preview!

 

[Negative Syndicate]

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I think raw paradise forgot to put that Bakuman is also getting colour page, too.

 

[pandaaqueen]

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Yep, they did XD

#47 (19/10) :
Reborn (Couv, Page Couleur & Scoop)
Baku-man (Page Couleur & Résultat Concour de Popularité)
Kuroko no Basket (Page Couleur & 25p)
One Piece (Absent)

 

[M-Hario]

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So Reborn gets the cover of issue 47?

 

[Kaiten]

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Looks like it, it's second of the month. There's a lot going on plot wise this month and a lot of extras being announced too. The art book and "petite anime" have been announced so far.

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I'll post the whole thing later today but neither Medaka or Akaboshi made the Oricon top 30 this week. Jump Comics did come in mid - tracking period, in that time both shipped under 28,696 copies. Doesn't mean they are doomed, just don't expect sales to save either next month.

 

[Drmke]

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Well that just makes next month more fun and scary at the same time....no idea what or even how many will go.....and with neither Medaka or Akaboshi selling that great, the tension increases.

 

[Xadyu]

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How long have the two series been on sale now?

 

[Drmke]

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How long have the two series been on sale now?

They went on sale the beginning of this month.

 

[Kaiten]

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They went on sale Friday, this is the first ranking they've been a part of. It is also the most important as the majority of copies ship the first week. It's not that the first volume missing the top thirty is a big deal. It's not, most new series don't. It's just that it can longer be viewed as a get out of jail free card. Both are dependent on the TOC and TOC alone. Of course there are other factors tied to that; if Waji ends, if both new series do poorly, if only three series end. Is one more popular with an older demographic. Does one draw more female readers.

What we are looking at now are two series to new to chart, two series with that are usually in the basement, one that always places last, and a gag manga wild card. There are potentially six series that can be canceled next month. If Shinigami and Lilienthal are both hits I think three will end. If one fails, I think four series will end.

 

[Weapon_X]

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I like the Naruto cover, is it just me or he looks "shiny"?

When there was a double spread colour page of all the 5 Kages, there was a Naruto WSJ cover with it as well and Naruto looked shiny in that as well...:/

 

[SameOld]

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I don't think four series will end, no matter what the circumstances. Don't ask me why, I just don't see it happening. Besides, even the two newcomers probably won't be cut right away; they'd have to be Meister-level catastrophic to be cut right after debuting. None seems likely to, but we never now.

Anyway, assuming only three cuts wil be made when the time is due and none of the two new series fails so miserably it gets killed at the first chance, what we have is a situation where there's no way both Medaka and Akaboshi can survive at the same time.

The way I see things, Kagijin is 100% guaranteed to get axed, while the two remaining slots could be filled by Waji and Medaka, Waji and Akaboshi or Medaka and Akaboshi. I don't see any other possibility at this point. In fact, this is why I was afraid Medaka's sales would be high enough to save it despite its ToC rankings, at the cost of killing Akaboshi (seriously, did anyone really hope that Akaboshi would sell well? Unlike Medaka, its target audience is the same one that votes every week; if they don't vote for it in the weekly rankings, they won't buy the tankos, simple as that).

tl;dr seeing Medaka's sales weren't huge makes me kinda relieved and able to keep my hopes up for Akaboshi.

 

[Negative Syndicate]

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Well Medaka and Akaboshi didn't get ranked, but I heard that Medaka was sold out in the book store, I'm not sure about Akaboshi.

Also, does anyone know that oricon sales arebased on on-line sales or other kind of sales?

 

[Kaiten]

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Why do you assume Waji will end? What exactly would lead you to that conclusion? Why can't both Akaboshi and Medaka end? The majority of both series chapters have been in the bottom five. It's not like one has distinguished itself from the other. If Lilienthal and Shinigami fall straight to the bottom five why not cancel four series, Meadka and Akaboshi being the other two, and start with four new series for 2010? if one of the two new series does well but Waji really is secretly doing horribly, why not end all four? There would not be much of a point of leaving new series in the bottom five after issue 1. As recently as 2007 four new series were added in December.

 

[Drmke]

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I don't think four series will end, no matter what the circumstances. Don't ask me why, I just don't see it happening. Besides, even the two newcomers probably won't be cut right away; they'd have to be Meister-level catastrophic to be cut right after debuting. None seems likely to, but we never now.

I think four cuts is very possible especially considering it happened last year at this time. Though for it to happen one of the new guys has to go down, but I still consider it a possiblity.

The way I see things, Kagijin is 100% guaranteed to get axed, while the two remaining slots could be filled by Waji and Medaka, Waji and Akaboshi or Medaka and Akaboshi. I don't see any other possibility at this point. In fact, this is why I was afraid Medaka's sales would be high enough to save it despite its ToC rankings, at the cost of killing Akaboshi (seriously, did anyone really hope that Akaboshi would sell well? Unlike Medaka, its target audience is the same one that votes every week; if they don't vote for it in the weekly rankings, they won't buy the tankos, simple as that).

tl;dr seeing Medaka's sales weren't huge makes me kinda relieved and able to keep my hopes up for Akaboshi.

Even I didn't really expect Akaboshi to sell well, its still possible that a series does bad in the ToC and sells well. Kids that read Jump are pretty much gonna vote for One Piece, Naruto, Bleach, and Reborn almost every week. They will probably vote for 3 of those 4 most of the time even if they go out and buy other series in tank form.