Mag Talk Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk

[Digital_Eon]

Bokke might be an exception because it's from an established mangaka. As for the other series...

 

[Magicoreo]

I could not agree more on that. I'm sure others will articulate my opinions on the points you raised better than I can, so I will just leave it at that for now.

Kind of like, Reborn! ?

 

[StrangerAtaru]

Randal: We really can't do too much considering the cut and add scenario of Jump. The editors approach essentially is "throw a bunch of series on a wall and see how long they stick", particularly with the newbies. Whenever there are cuts, there will always be new series (though this time it's also with D.Gray's return and don't forget HxH) and whenever there are new series, then something, old or new, will fall or fail. Compare that to Sunday, where even series that seem like failing don't leave the magazine for a long, long time. Or Magazine, which feels more like a utopia in that the magazine positions jump so much that you can never tell the failures from the successes. The fact is that we're stuck with this and that hopefully the better series will ride all this crap out while the stupider ones collapse and go away. (though it's easy to say the former for runaways like Toriko and Bakuman, I am starting to worry about Mago...and personally I have a feeling that we may not have to worry about Sket too much longer in this position ;p)

 

[Kaiten]

Mago doesn't worry me, not yet. I think it's turning into D. Gray Man or To Love Ru, a series that survives off sales but doesn't poll well. Sket really worries me; it's sales improved but not enough to overcome it's poor position. I think that at least one of the new series, most likely Bokke, will end by the summer.

 

[GARusashi]

I hope Crimson King gets serialized, the art is slick and it's about supernatural type things (werewolves, vampires, frankenstein's monster etc)

Definitely one of my favorite one shots lately (this and the one by Hitomi no Catebolas' mangaka) I'm a huge battle manga fan though.

 

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

Kind of like, Reborn! ?

I hope so...

 

[bleach91]

Credits: to fujitak from Ritual scan forge

A Baby-Sitter manga, very promising, isn't it?

 

[Maxy Barnard]

I only disagree on the grounds that I really like Bokke. The first two chapters were dull but it gets much more interesting after that. By Jump standards it's quite a unique series. Meister was and Kuroko remains, fun reads. Nothing more, nothing less. I'll keep reading Kuroko but if canceled I won't miss it much.

damn you just checkmated me there, i have no criticism of how it's far and above the more generic jump concepts


and i'd like beelzebabu to be a good gag manga with NO battle manga stuff. but then battle manga's getting boring as shit to keep have coming in (toriko is the obvious exception) and there's never enough gag manga in the anthology at once nowadays (yusha and taizo living for far too short a time). beelzebabu could suck bums and i'd still be glad that the genre is getting more exposure


EDIT: further art VERY PROMISING

 

[Digital_Eon]

I think that at least one of the new series, most likely Bokke, will end by the summer.

Besides Meister, you mean? =P

I sort of wish Beelze Baby or whatever it is could just be a comedy series - not really a gag-type series, but ordinary comedy. Couldn't necessarily last for long, but...

 

[Crude]

A comedy/battle manga would probably be the ideal. Something like One Piece for example.

 

[Kaiten]

Based on the raws for the one shot, it looks like actionless comedy. Quite welcome actually. While I'm an action fan, there is a limit. Certainly it won't be a One Piece style series. I'm thinking more akin to Gintama or Sket. Anyways, the art looks good, the one shot looked funny. I'm sold.

damn you just checkmated me there, i have no criticism of how it's far and above the more generic jump concepts

Hurray for lowered expectations.

 

[Maxy Barnard]

well i think it'll stand a good chance of at least getting one chapter scanlated, and that'll do me nicely.

and lowered expectations are fun. WSJ as a whole presents that idea i think with it's really fun.... poor idea of promotion

 

[GARusashi]

I thought Chagecha had an amazing concept. It was very comical, but it still managed squeeze in over the top combat. When first reading it, I thought it was going to be the next big thing, especially with the whole concept of Yan-ki which I thought was awesome.

I guess Sawai just isn't popular anymore.

 

[Maxy Barnard]

i foudn the need to overexplain everything terrible, aswell as the character designs aswell (outside of tigermask)

 

[DeidaraGrimmjow]

I don't think that there is any getting around the fact that it will be a comedy in some part (most manga usually have a little). I hope that it's not gag, though. With that said, what is the actual difference? I have an idea, but I'm not 100% sure.

 

[Koen]

I hope Crimson King gets serialized, the art is slick and it's about supernatural type things (werewolves, vampires, frankenstein's monster etc)

Definitely one of my favorite one shots lately (this and the one by Hitomi no Catebolas' mangaka) I'm a huge battle manga fan though.

Well I kinda agree. The art is really refreshing in this manga. It's the art that attracts me. The story? Can't say, a translation and/or a Edited Manga would tell more. Well I think it will have a chance.

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and I don't believe that baby manga (forgot the name) will be a gag manga

 

[Maxy Barnard]

there's not really any. nowadays all comedy manga are gag manga, but it meant something different in the comedy revolution of the 1960s

but at its basic form a gag in gag manga is a spur of the moment joke.

you can sub divide comedy manga into stuff like nonsensical(bobobo) and satirical(gintama)

 

[eni]

Crimson King looks actually really good. When I opened my reader I was a little shocked and mumbled a "Gin-chan? o_O" towards the monitor but it appeared to be unique enough to make me enjoy the oneshot. Being a huge vampire stories fan did help a lot, though - and the girl is hot, so it should appeal to the male readers as well

So yes, I wanna see more of this

 

[StrangerAtaru]

i foudn the need to overexplain everything terrible, aswell as the character designs aswell (outside of tigermask)

I think in some ways Sawai was trying to get back some of his weirder designs like he used in the earliest parts of Bo-bobo...though without a similarly insane assistant like Matsui, it probably became harder to maintain. I did like a few character designs though aside from Tiger Mask: Chagecha was good, as was Doraji and most of the girls (Himawari, the announcer and the female who watched the match with Kabu)...heck, even Onizawa was a neat concept. (even though I didn't like him) The series itself I loved mostly since it was just so over-the-top and developed that I thought Sawai could live off it...but yeah, it's bombing should have been expected due to it being...dunno, too creative?

Somehow seeing that Beezle Baby pic makes me think of the baby storyline in Gintama (though it felt a bit more like a comedy version of "Lone Wolf and Cub")...hope it is as good though. (then again it was crazy comedy aside from the Nizou confrontation...but that was more a prologue to the following arc)

 

[Kaiten]

Somehow seeing that Beezle Baby pic makes me think of the baby storyline in Gintama (though it felt a bit more like a comedy version of "Lone Wolf and Cub")...hope it is as good though. (then again it was crazy comedy aside from the Nizou confrontation...but that was more a prologue to the following arc)

It's the dead fish eyes. Beezle baby and Gintoki's son both have them. With the Lone Wolf parody in that arc of Gintama I can see how it reminds you of both.