Mag Talk Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk

[Koen]

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Well I think there's nothing wrong with promotion but there should be at least a fair chance for some privileges. Okay, sket dance, psyren, mago,... aren't the series that'll get a cover but if bleach and kuroko get a CP 1.000.000 times after each other then I simply wonder: why not psyren, why not mago, why not sket dance at least once

 

[Kaiten]

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Unfortunately, at this point, Mago, Sket, and Psyren may be past the point where that type of promotion works. For the series under 20 chapters the extra color builds brand recognition. As they are to new to have many fans with strong opinions color, or more precisely, being placed in the front or center of the magazine, will draw people in. For more established series like those you mentioned, readers are more likely to have an opinion, to judge them on chapters they read earlier. They either already like, already hate, or are already indifferent. Since Jump's circulation is basically static, rising by less then a percentage every quarter, there are few new readers to attract to any series, only the same pool barely modified as there was when they started a year or so ago. Big series (Naruto, Bleach, etc.) don't benefit from extra color but the more familiar series on the cover is a measure to reduce the risk that readers won't take a week off. The famous series are more likely to draw their eyes to Jump. Sket, Psyren, and Mago are entering another phase; as they near two years the odds of them being animated go up. Sket will most likely get an anime this fall. If it is a day time show, which I doubt, it could really boost popularity. As I believe it will be a late night show with lower ratings and an emphasis on DVD sales, I doubt it will push the manga, rather it will solidify the fanbase much as To Love Ru's anime did. Psyren and Mago's could stand to be more beneficial, being more likely to air in the late afternoon.

 

[SameOld]

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Well I think there's nothing wrong with promotion but there should be at least a fair chance for some privileges. Okay, sket dance, psyren, mago,... aren't the series that'll get a cover but if bleach and kuroko get a CP 1.000.000 times after each other then I simply wonder: why not psyren, why not mago, why not sket dance at least once

That's my point. The problem isn't that some series are getting pimped (I like Kuroko and - for the time being - also like Beelze, mind you), but that by pimping only two you pretty much ignore everyone else. I'm cool with many CPs for series x as long as they don't let series y rotting in the basement. Hoop Men, for example, could even slowly make its way back up with a bit more support, but no - the editors would rather support what doesn't need to be supported right now.

 

[kim09]

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That's my point. The problem isn't that some series are getting pimped (I like Kuroko and - for the time being - also like Beelze, mind you), but that by pimping only two you pretty much ignore everyone else. I'm cool with many CPs for series x as long as they don't let series y rotting in the basement. Hoop Men, for example, could even slowly make its way back up with a bit more support, but no - the editors would rather support what doesn't need to be supported right now.

Completely agree with him.

 

[Kaiten]

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Hoop Men, for example, could even slowly make its way back up with a bit more support, but no - the editors would rather support what doesn't need to be supported right now.

Why bother advertising something that's rejected from the beginning? Every chapter of Hoop Men has been ranked in the double digits. Toriko, Kuroko, and Beelzebub's first three chapters all polled above ten. Why try squeezing water from a stone when you can concentrate on series with potential fans. It's a shame this wasn't done when Sket and Psyren were new. Mago got quite a few color pages when it was new, as did Double Arts. Not so many as the more recent series, but they were Jump's first recent attempts to promote new series.

 

[youko kurama]

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which one you think that will get an anime first?

I say probably Psyren or Bakuman

 

[Kaiten]

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Out of just those two? Psyren. It's older and will have enough chapters for a 51 episode anime by April 2010. Bakuman most likely won't get anything until October of the same year.

Hungrybookworm at the WSJ LJ posted the lead seiyu for the Sket Dance drama CD:

Bossun: Hiroyuki YOSHINO
Himeko: Ryoko SHIRAISHI
Switch: Tomokazu SUGITA

Good casting, all three are great seiyu. They do make me think JC Staff will be doing the anime, the first two actors work with that studio quite a bit.

 

[[Cross]]

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I'm very interested to hear Sugita doing Switch. Though, would it make sense since it's suppose to be computerized...sorta. Or maybe his computer imitates voice and isn't robotic, it'd be very amusing to find out.

 

[Kaiten]

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They'll probably use some sort of effect on his voice to make him sound like Stephen Hawking.

 

[SameOld]

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Why try squeezing water from a stone when you can concentrate on series with potential fans.

Because if something's already successful enough, there isn't any reason to advertise it that much anymore? Besides, the way I see it, advertising the less popular series would be a way to try and make every series running in Jump have good sales and a fanbase. I can't see how having two huge hits and a bunch of failures can be any better than having two huge hits and a bunch of moderately successful series.

Oh, and I should reiterate that I'm not stating Jump shound IGNORE Beelzebub and Kuroko and start giving color pages ONLY to the least popular series. What I want is a fair distribution. Every series should at least have a CP every once in a while. Not to mention having the same 4-5 series in the cover and CPs every week must feel repetitive to the readers. No matter how you look at it, what Jump has been doing is RETARDED. It's like they're so scared of losing a COUPLE of precious newcomers they end up forgetting there are MANY potential hits in the back of the magazine. Psyren, for instance, could be insanely popular among the readers if it were given the right treatment. But now it may be too late.

 

[Maxy Barnard]

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I'm very interested to hear Sugita doing Switch. Though, would it make sense since it's suppose to be computerized...sorta. Or maybe his computer imitates voice and isn't robotic, it'd be very amusing to find out.

Didn't Switch-Off say that the computer voice is one of a kind, sounding exactly like him or his brother?

 

[[Cross]]

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Didn't Switch-Off say that the computer voice is one of a kind, sounding exactly like him or his brother?

It said it created a natural voice, so I guess that's our answer.

 

[Finestela]

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Regarding the uber-pimping... Here's my take:

Think of it as an investment. The editors has only so many "free" CP/cover they can give out for pure-pimping usage. It makes sense for them to use them on something that, at least in their mind, would yield the greatest return.

You have two choices here: maximize sales for a developed series, or bet on something that might become a new hit. In a perfect world, they would do both... but when they have to choose one or the other, they picked the latter.

I'm not saying it's the better choice, but rather the logic behind the choice. If Beelze could become the next Bleach/Naruto/OP, why not give it an early boost?

I agree with the fact that it's being done at the expense of Psyren/Sket/Mago, which could really use some love right now...

Hoop is just an unfortunate victim in my opinion. It's not that bad actually, but just... different. To quote Bakuman (I know some of you guys are gonna hate me for quoting Bakuman ), it's really "not Jump-esque"

 

[Negative Syndicate]

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Sket, Psyren, Mago, and Kuroko are in the bottom 5, But I'm not worry too much because actually almost every series in Jump are damn good, so some of the series have to go bottom because there are no spot for them on top or middle. So, I don't think Jump will going to cancel those series.

In change of subject, there was a rumor that Hoopmen will be cancel in issue 31, but looks like there is no information about it. Is that means the rumor is 100 percent false?

 

[Rejuvenation]

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I don't think it really matters what issue Hoop Men gets canceled in since we all know that it is the next inevitable cut.

When it gets cut is probably just going to be a sign of a new series being brought in. Or chapters of HiatusXHiatus.

 

[Finestela]

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I would say it pretty much threw that out of the window, along with any rumor that Mago or Sket is ending

 

[Jabberwocky]

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I would like more D.gray-man chapters instead of a new series.

 

[Kaiten]

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Because if something's already successful enough, there isn't any reason to advertise it that much anymore? Besides, the way I see it, advertising the less popular series would be a way to try and make every series running in Jump have good sales and a fanbase. I can't see how having two huge hits and a bunch of failures can be any better than having two huge hits and a bunch of moderately successful series.

Unfortunately if you don't promote a series that shows signs of popularity early you end up with Psyren and Sket, series that have achieved a degree of popularity but haven't lived up to their potential. With Hoop Men (or Bokke, My Star, etc.) you know your audience has rejected it by chapter 3. Why try and force them to read it? That's not how advertising works. You don't keep pounding New Coke down peoples throat, you reintroduce Coke Classic and cut your losses. Same with Hoop Men; get enough chapters for two volumes, cancel it, and introduce something that might get a positive reaction. And of course, you concentrate time, effort, and money on product that theirs demand for.

BTW: Jump does not have two huge hits. 15 series, not counting the upcoming volumes of Eyeshield, are hits when compared to the sales of series from any other magazine. Considering the least popular series sell as much as the middle tier of Sunday or Magazine, that's a pretty loaded roster.

 

[eni]

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Switch: Tomokazu SUGITA

Awesome choice! I shall catch up with the manga right away!

I don't know the other two, though. Or can't remember them. How common is a drama cd for a Jump manga anyway? It was always such a 'shoujo' thing to me for whatever reason.

 

[Kaiten]

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Hatsukoi had one right before the anime came out. Other then that, I'm not sure.

Sugita is an awesome seiyu, can't argue with that!! The other two are very good too. Yoshino played Kai in Blood+, Kimblee in the new FMA, Yoshimori in Kekkaishi, Godai in Neuro, Ox in Soul Eater, among many roles. Shiraishi is Hayate in Hayate no Gotoku, Meguru in Hatsukoi, and a lot of roles I'm not familiar with. Both are quite accomplished and really good choices.