Mag Talk Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk

[SameOld]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

Why do you assume Waji will end? What exactly would lead you to that conclusion?

Because it's as you said: it's a wild card. No one knows for sure. I never said I was 100% sure it's going to end.

Why can't both Akaboshi and Medaka end? The majority of both series chapters have been in the bottom five. It's not like one has distinguished itself from the other.

...did you even read my post at all? I said both ending was one of the possibilities. I never said one of the two will survive for sure; what I said was there's no way both will.

If Lilienthal and Shinigami fall straight to the bottom five why not cancel four series, Meadka and Akaboshi being the other two, and start with four new series for 2010?

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There would not be much of a point of leaving new series in the bottom five after issue 1.

I get the feeling lately Jump has been a little more patient with new series that fail. Chagecha was cancelled pretty quickly, and so was Meister, but Bokke-san did last for two seasons. And so did Hoop Men, which bottomed out from beginning to end. I wouldn't waste my time giving the newcomers the opportunity to last for another season if they bottom out like Hoop Men did, but it's what the editors seem to be doing recently.

 

[Galactic Tomahawk]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

Yeah four cuts could easily happen.

Unless either Medaka or Akaboshi suddenly starts doing much better (which is certainly possible, but still pretty unlikely) I don't think you can count on them living much longer.

 

[Kaiten]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

Also, does anyone know that oricon sales arebased on on-line sales or other kind of sales?

Oricon is a reporting service. Both traditional and online stores report how many copies of an item they order from publishers. Sales are determined not by the number of copies purchased at POS or from the website but by the number of copies the chain or website keep in stock. POS determines how large their second order is and how many they choose to order when the next volume come out. Shueisha and other publishers make their money before the customer purchases so they're main interest is dealing with the retailers. Not all chains report to Oricon, though they are considered the most comprehensive in Japan. The numbers posted by publishers should not be believed, Japanese companies are notorious for inflating sales figures.

 

[Drmke]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

I get the feeling lately Jump has been a little more patient with new series that fail. Chagecha was cancelled pretty quickly, and so was Meister, but Bokke-san did last for two seasons. And so did Hoop Men, which bottomed out from beginning to end. I wouldn't waste my time giving the newcomers the opportunity to last for another season if they bottom out like Hoop Men did, but it's what the editors seem to be doing recently.

Bokke-san only survived a second season because Asklepios and Meister were doing worse. And Hoopmen only survived becasue Bokke-san was doing worse and Nuero ended. Jump is just as hard on new series as its always been imo.

 

[SameOld]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

Bokke-san only survived a second season because Asklepios and Meister were doing worse. And Hoopmen only survived becasue Bokke-san was doing worse and Nuero ended. Jump is just as hard on new series as its always been imo.

But... Bokke-san wasn't doing worse than Hoop Men. Hell, it didn't even get last place once that I recall. Hoop Men was last place (in other words, below Bokke-san) the issue before Bokke-san ended. And it kept bottoming out until the end. Why would the editors spare it from being axed as soon as possible when they knew its ranking wouldn't increase later?

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

Why do you assume Waji will end? What exactly would lead you to that conclusion? Why can't both Akaboshi and Medaka end? The majority of both series chapters have been in the bottom five. It's not like one has distinguished itself from the other. If Lilienthal and Shinigami fall straight to the bottom five why not cancel four series, Meadka and Akaboshi being the other two, and start with four new series for 2010? if one of the two new series does well but Waji really is secretly doing horribly, why not end all four? There would not be much of a point of leaving new series in the bottom five after issue 1. As recently as 2007 four new series were added in December.

My guess would be that the decision for how many new series to start would probably have to be made by now, or very soon. They might not have the luxury of waiting to see how the newest series do before deciding if they want a fourth new series. Most authors are generally working with 6 weeks to 2 months of lead time, after all.

 

[Drmke]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

But... Bokke-san wasn't doing worse than Hoop Men. Hell, it didn't even get last place once that I recall. Hoop Men was last place (in other words, below Bokke-san) the issue before Bokke-san ended. And it kept bottoming out until the end. Why would the editors spare it from being axed as soon as possible when they knew its ranking wouldn't increase later?

More than likely the editors had already made the decision to cut Bokke and only had two new series lined up and wanted to see if Hoopmen could improve a little.

Most series at least make it two seasons even when they do really bad.

 

[jose]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

Why no one consider that ane doki will be cut? It has been in b5 every week.

 

[SameOld]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

Why no one consider that ane doki will be cut? It has been in b5 every week.

It got color pages. That's pretty much the editors' way of saying "we won't let this series go, get over it" to us. :P

 

[Drmke]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

Why no one consider that ane doki will be cut? It has been in b5 every week.

No, it actually hasn't been it the bottom five that much and when it is, its above at least 3 other series. Plus, Jump has been giving it color pages. It might get cut next time, but its pretty much safe this time around.

 

[Kaiten]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

Hoopmen only lasted 17 chapters, that's a pretty quick kill. Only four more chapters then Muddy and K.O. Sen. Canceling a series with less then 10 chapters is a drastic move, even for Jump. That is total rejection; not just last place but such a low number of votes that there isn't even a point to cut older struggling series.

And no, Ane Doki has mostly been in the middle. It's like Bakuman or Beelze, every few weeks it gets pushed into the bottom five then rebounds right away.

 

[jose]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

Ane doki only stay in middle in first chapter ranked, the others chapters its in b5, except when get colour page or cp, and it's 2 times yet that that got it.

 

[Negative Syndicate]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

If Medaka's and Akaboshi's volume 1's sale of first week are same as Kuroko's volume 1's sale of first week, is this mean it is good for series that staying bottom 5 for most of time?

 

[Kaiten]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

Ane Doki has only been in the bottom five in three issues: 43, 44, and 46.

 

[Estranho]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

It got color pages. That's pretty much the editors' way of saying "we won't let this series go, get over it" to us. :P

Well, Double Arts got a COVER...

 

[jose]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

Yeah Kaiten, but dont forget that the 9th chapter got colour and in issue 45 too, pimped by editors.

http://hamada.tsukaeru.info/jump/2009/jump0945.html

 

[Negative Syndicate]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

I found some series's first week sales for their volume 1 (I couldn't find volume 1 sales for Hatsukoi and Psyren so I'll upload volume 2 for them, plus I'm not really sure what is number around a bracket meant for).

┃**51163(3)｜べるぜバブ (Beelzebub) 1
┃*154675(7)｜バクマン (Bakuman) 1
┃**69177(6)｜トリコ (Toriko) 1
┃**48495(7)｜ぬらりひょんの孫 (Nurarihyon no Mago) 1
┃**40644(7)│ダブルアーツ (Double Arts) 1
┃**23980(7)｜バリハケン (Barihaken) 1
┃**20445(3)｜黒子のバスケ (Kuroko no Basket) 1
┃**12287(5)｜いぬまるだしっ (Inumaru Dashii) 1
┃***9216(3)｜ぼっけさん (Bokke-san) 上
┃**40150(3)｜初恋限定 (Hatsukoi Limited) 2
┃**15546(3)｜PSYREN 2

 

[Kaiten]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

If Medaka's and Akaboshi's volume 1's sale of first week are same as Kuroko's volume 1's sale of first week, is this mean it is good for series that staying bottom 5 for most of time?

Kuroko is rarely in the bottom 5, not a great series to compare it to. It's more like there is nothing we can read into sales, nothing we can see that may give us a clue weather either lives or dies. It's unusual enough for series with so many appearances in the top 5 so early to last long enough to remain serialized when their first volume comes out. That alone is enough to stay away from any sort of conventional wisdom. It may be for the best to just discount sales as an indicator of survival for now. If one has a great second week then there may be more room for hope. I'm not expecting much.

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Yeah Kaiten, but dont forget that the 9th chapter got colour and in issue 45 too, pimped by editors.

http://hamada.tsukaeru.info/jump/2009/jump0945.html

Editors don't pimp series they plan on canceling. Ever. Ane Doki won't be part of the next cancellation. Not with so many older series preforming so much worse.

 

[Digital_Eon]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

I think four cuts is very possible especially considering it happened last year at this time. Though for it to happen one of the new guys has to go down, but I still consider it a possiblity.

Technically, no - if Kagijin, Akaboshi, Medaka and Waji all got cancelled...

 

[Rejuvenation]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.3

Which series ended last year around December? I looked back and only Bari Haken showed up. The year before that Over Time and Zan ended around that time. Anyone mind filling in the blanks?