Life What happens when you die?

[DLord.Van.Buuren]

No he was a real man that was the basist for Buddhism and all those statues.

so the statue is their book their evidence their hopes everything that could determine their fate what solutions does buddha suggest to the aferlife ?? .

a religion which doesnt give you a clear image of the afterlife which makes sleep at night knowing that you are gonna be okay if you die while asleep .

if i were you i wouldnt invest my heart in a statue .

 

[Drmke]

so the statue is their book their evidence their hopes everything that could determine their fate what solutions does buddha suggest to the aferlife ?? .

a religion which doesnt give you a clear image of the afterlife which makes sleep at night knowing that you are gonna be okay if you die while asleep .

if i were you i wouldnt invest my heart in a statue .

No they have religious texts. The statues are just like Christian crosses. And most of Buddhism doesn't really believe in an afterlife (pretty sure about this though I could be wrong), though there are some sects that believe that the afterlife is just an extension of your conscience. And their desceiptions of this "afterlife" are extremely vivid. And just because something helps you sleep at night says nothing about whether or not its true.

 

[DLord.Van.Buuren]

No they have religious texts.

accuracy ?? trust my friend relatively i would say christianity is more believable than buddhism

The statues are just like Christian crosses. And most of Buddhism doesn't really believe in an afterlife (pretty sure about this though I could be wrong), though there are some sects that believe that the afterlife is just an extension of your conscience.

how is that believable its still doubtful not clear enough .

And just because something helps you sleep at night says nothing about whether or not its true.

just tell me what you feel if you are gonna die in 5 min ? what would come to your mind first ?

 

[Charlie]

When you die...

Jesus, Buddha, Muhammad last but not least UFO.

One of the aforementioned guys will visit you-there can be no doubt.

I mentioned these guys because they cover most of the worlds religion. So

when you die most of the members here would be covered.

UFO- was thrown in for the non/atheist/agnostic believers.

 

[Organizized]

I don't know about you guys, but when I die, I'm getting on a helicopter headed straight for Mars, where I will live with dinosaurs and indians with laser guns who fight axe-carrying robots and eat nothing but PIZZA! And it won't matter that it's unhealthy, because I'll already be dead!

Someone told me I get to this place called heaven where, if I've been a good person I'll get to go through a couple of girly gates (I imagine they are pink and carry lots of make-up in their purses) and if I've been a bad person I'll be thrown into some flaming oven or something. I like my version better.

*ahem*

Or, you know, nothing happens after you die because you won't be alive to experience it. Either way works.

 

[~*Enigma*~]

@dark lord I see you are a Muslim?

Well my beliefs about the afterlife are according to Islam.

 

[Drmke]

accuracy ?? trust my friend relatively i would say christianity is more believable than buddhism

Well accuracy can't be determined while we're alive now can it? But once again, believability doesn't really mean anything as far as what's right and wrong.

how is that believable its still doubtful not clear enough .

Its perfectly clear to the people that believe it. Others' religious beliefs tend to not make a lot of sense to people who weren't raised around them.

just tell me what you feel if you are gonna die in 5 min ? what would come to your mind first ?

If I was about to die, the things I would think about would be my family, if I lived a good life by my own standards, and did I do anything that left a lasting effect on the people I care about.

Honestly, for me, the last thing I would worry about would be what is gonna happen to me after I die. If I'm dying, there is already nothing I can do about it so why worry?

Personally, I do hope there is some form of afterlife for people to enjoy (enjoy being the keyword here) after they die. Its a great thought.

 

[DLord.Van.Buuren]

@dark lord I see you are a Muslim?

Well my beliefs about the afterlife are according to Islam.

you are exactly a muslim or you just like islams presentation of the afterlife .?

I don't know about you guys, but when I die, I'm getting on a helicopter headed straight for Mars, where I will live with dinosaurs and indians with laser guns who fight axe-carrying robots and eat nothing but PIZZA! And it won't matter that it's unhealthy, because I'll already be dead! .

i dont know and i dont want to sound harsh but are you serious ?
this kinda makes me sad you know by saying this you are actually putting no value in your life i mean certain people like this and due to confusion might end up commiting suicide just to know whats gonna happen .

Someone told me I get to this place called heaven where, if I've been a good person I'll get to go through a couple of girly gates (I imagine they are pink and carry lots of make-up in their purses) and if I've been a bad person I'll be thrown into some flaming oven or something. I like my version better. .

im sorry my friend but thats beyond imagination no matter how words discribe things reality is just not leaving a room for imagination .


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*ahem*

Or, you know, nothing happens after you die because you won't be alive to experience it. Either way works.

you have like a certainty in words though i would be glad to know based on what you write this are you following a certain religion because that would be tolerable since you are actually believing in something but just making nonesense is bad and makes you sound like an ignorant which no offence not much different from an animal .

 

[~*Enigma*~]

you are exactly a muslim or you just like islams presentation of the afterlife .?

Yes, I am a Muslim. Are you?

 

[DLord.Van.Buuren]

Yes, I am a Muslim. Are you?

so you are a native american and a muslim ?
and were you actually not a muslim before ?

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

What exactally is an Existentialist?

I've seen someone trying to explain what is existentialism but it was wrong.
Please notice that there is a Christian existentialism and that it's different from existentialism which is a philosophical trend born in France in the 20th century.


The main idea behind existentialism is that the nature of the human is not defined from the beginning, from the day he was born. It means a human does not have a nature before it exists.

A human being does not know what is his function, what he was created for. Albert Camus explained that the universe does not give us any answer to this question - it is silent - and that's why life is fundamentally absurd. There still may be a reason why we're here but anyway we do not know it and we will not be able to.

Jean-Paul Sartre, explained that the existence of an human comes before its nature : we first come to the world and we exist but we do not have a nature yet. Then, each of us defines himself with his actions in the life and thus his own nature comes. It's by living and existing that you are able to create your nature.
It's not the same with an object : it cannot define its nature because it has been created to answer a need. For example, a lighter has been created to light things.
I think you can understand that Sartre is atheist : as God did not create the human, the human is not predetermined. From the beginning, the human is fundamentally nothing and thus his future radically belongs to him : the human is nothing more than what he does, he is only the result of his doings in his existence. He is free and creates hiw own nature and thus is entirely responsible for his doings.

 

[DLord.Van.Buuren]

There are many evidences which emphasizes on god’s existence and its devided as the following :
It is scientifically known that the universe has an age so does earth and the human being and at a certain time there was no universe and then what happened ?? . the systems appeared , Galaxies , humans , plants everything alive . and as we all know there cant be an action without an actor , thus creating such complicated organized precise things requires that the creator should have absolute knowledge , power , and wisedom .
For example if you have all the parts needed to make a car , even after millions of years there wont be a car but with the proper technology and science and a car maker its possible to create a car .
So as to make such perfect and precise beings like humans , planets , birds … there is absolutely no room for coincidence .
In short humans didn’t create themselves or everything around them . because no body has claimed before that he can be created from nothingness or being able to create something like humans .
in the first proof we know two things :
1 - the occurrence of something that didn’t exist before ( universe , planets , humans …)
2 – the perfection which defines these beings and absolutely leaves no room for randomness .

To be continued

 

[~*Enigma*~]

so you are a native american and a muslim ?
and were you actually not a muslim before ?

I'm not Native American. Where did you get that idea? I'm African American and I've been a Muslim since birth.

So back to my question, are you a Muslim?

 

[DLord.Van.Buuren]

I'm not Native American. Where did you get that idea? I'm African American and I've been a Muslim since birth.

So back to my question, are you a Muslim?

yes im my friend .

 

[blai]

i dont know and i dont want to sound harsh but are you serious ?
this kinda makes me sad you know by saying this you are actually putting no value in your life i mean certain people like this and due to confusion might end up commiting suicide just to know whats gonna happen .

I'm pretty sure that it wasn't a serious explanation, more of a wishful thinking. Just as I wished that heaven existed and that there was a lesbian cloud to which I can peek from my computer-cloud where everyone plays awesomesauce games. This is just a fragment of my huge picture of my after-life.

I doubt that there's any chance that Organ will commit suicide just to know what's going to happen, and I really feel sorry for the people who does that because they clearly seem to have misunderstood the whole concept with life and faith in what comes next.

im sorry my friend but thats beyond imagination no matter how words discribe things reality is just not leaving a room for imagination .

I believe that the after-life is what we want it to be until we actually die and are, most likely, proved wrong. Until then a persons views, as ignorant, abstract or silly they might be to you, should be respected and not looked down upon.


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you have like a certainty in words though i would be glad to know based on what you write this are you following a certain religion because that would be tolerable since you are actually believing in something but just making nonesense is bad and makes you sound like an ignorant which no offence not much different from an animal .

Again, even though he might be making fun of the subject (which I don't support) I can't see him making fun of any certain religion, and I see no disrespect towards them either.

Note that I'm born Roman-Catholic, I do not agree with what the Bible tells me is going to happen after I die. I don't want that to be true, and thus, for me, it's not. In the same way as I, for example, don't want to believe that I can enter "nirvana" in the way that they believe in Buddhism and thus, for me, it's not. The pope's word should be my law and the Bible my guideline but I see religion as something completely different than what the general mass does and words can't describe how many flaws I've seen in, for example, the Bible. Mainly because the fact that a lot of gods turned into one god who contradicted himself in many, many ways.
There are no evidence whatsoever that gives religion credibility, but neither are there any evidence pointing towards the fact that religion is bullshit.

I want to think that what happens is something f*cking awesome and I really wish that when we die we enter a "dreaming" state where we can create our own world, our own afterlife. Maybe we want to meet up with our friends after this life, then I'll make it happen, maybe I want to be Chuck Norris, I'll make it happen. Anything should be possible because if it's not, then it won't be heaven for many people. Heaven, or what happens to us after this life is subjective and should be created/experienced subjectively.

Sorry for the wall of text.

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If you want to make further discussions into the Religious topic of this matter, feel free to check out the Religious Discussion and Q&A Thread

-Blai

 

[DLord.Van.Buuren]

I believe that the after-life is what we want it to be until we actually die and are, most likely, proved wrong. Until then a persons views, as ignorant, abstract or silly they might be to you, should be respected and not looked down upon.convenient

i dont look down on anybody but i dont apreciate this topic being taken lightly .

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There are no evidence whatsoever that gives religion credibility, i

what religion are you talking about here , christianty i wonder how many bibles there are ? this proves that it no longer has any credibility since people started writing whats convenient for them and called it the bible .

you could simply disagree with what the bible says like its another opinion or a fantasy or nonesense just like whats been said in this thread because its not gods words . the creator who has absolute knowledge that you cant find contradiction in his words but you gotta believe in him .

while islam which comes from the one and only quran gives all answers to this matter you should read it my friend .

and one thing islam defines paradise as the place in which you find your wildest fantasy . i dont see the problem i mean you do what god says then you go to paradise and you can have whatever you want so simple .

and i forgot to add that you cant talk about death without relating to religion then i believe we arent offtopic .
the other topic became extremely silly i mean people started talking about getting wasted they are not even taking it seriously .

 

[Organizized]

I didn't even realize my post had been responded to, but thanks Blai for responding in my stead.

Sorry about my last post, by the way. It was obviously overly sarcastic and I had forgotten all about it the day after (wasn't completely sober when I made the post). I was probably amused by it in that state, but I can understand other people aren't. If I offended anyone, then I'm sorry. Also, if you think it's not suitable to be in the thread, you can remove it, Blai.

On topic:

Or, you know, nothing happens after you die because you won't be alive to experience it. Either way works.

That part is kinda true, though, and I stick with this. I'm not a follower of any religion at all, and I'm not very familiar with the details of each religions' view on the "afterlife", just the overall concept of a few of them. But from what I've gathered from those theories, I don't really buy them. They're not believable to me.

The reason I don't think it is possible to keep living after you die is, well, you die. "Death" meaning "the permanent end of all life functions in an organism". Now, what makes us conscious at all, what makes it possible to experience feelings and emotions, is the senses and their connection to the brain. You remove the brain, these senses and emotions all cease to exist, and thus, your consciousness.

Now, most religions claim that's why we have a soul, because the soul is what lives on. But that doesn’t make sense to me either, because that means the soul has all these things as well. If we’re able to keep living as souls after we die, the soul must be capable of making us see, feel, smell, taste etc. (since that is what makes us experience things, and thus be conscious). But then, how come if someone goes blind, the soul doesn't enable him to still see? And if it isn't capable of this, it's not really you, since the senses are... well, you know what I mean by now.

I don't really want to get an Atheism vs. Religion discussion started here, because I've seen them too many times before and I know nothing good ever comes out of them and they never come to a reasonable end. The reason of this post is simply to clarify my previous, immature one. I hope I added something to the thread this time instead of being a sarcastic jerk.


And I gotta agree, it's kind of impossible not to mix religion into this subject, but I tried to at least not touch on that too much.

 

[Charlie]

Well there are those that believe that nothing happens. Reference was my old math teacher. He believed that when he dies his body will just stay in the grave and that'll be the end.

 

[DLord.Van.Buuren]

if i ask through what you can see ?? scientifically you 'll answer with : the brain because the eyes are a mere connection so the brain needs eyes to recieve informations .

but the question still isnt complete now who sees inside the brain ?? we know the brain is formed of many nerve cells , blind cells , has no senses so are these cells the one that sees ? is it something inside those cells which are formed of atomes ? then who sees ? who feels ?

it must be something on top of this substance called the brain and that being can feel and sense . its in the body and we cant help calling it a fact its the soul .

in this world we believe in the reason and the consequence its common sense just for a moment ask yourself why ? why was i created what is the reason for all this .

@ organizized apology accepted

 

[Organizized]

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you, but...

Your eyes. That's what sees things. The eyes sees, sends signals thorugh the nerve system to the brain, where the "data" is processed making us see. The brain is what makes us who we are, because that's where all our sensations and emotions are, in the end, made. Now, like I said, if there was a soul in there that was capable of experiencing and sensing things, wouldn't it work as a backup if one lost a sense?

What makes us see and feel and smell and touch and all that stuff is the brain. Thus, your brain is you. And if the brain took off, out of our heads and flew into the sky, that might be what I'd consider a way to live on (and we all heard how ridiculous that idea sounded ). The brain doesn't live on after we die, so I just don't buy it.