Question What is Enryu?

[Lonatian]

Gustang came up with the suggestion for the Zahard Princess system. Did Zahard have to accept? No. He tricked them all and no one knows the truth. He is a schemer.

I'm pretty sure Zahard accepts the Princess system. But Gustang literally suggests Zahard marry a wife. I'm not sure Zahard likes that idea.

 

[Demonspeed]

I'm pretty sure Zahard accepts the Princess system. But Gustang literally suggests Zahard marry a wife. I'm not sure Zahard likes that idea.

??? The Zahard Princess system was created so that the winner would end up becoming Zahard's wife. People wanted him to marry because a king should have a queen. Zahard accepted the system and tricked his companions so that no one would ever win. He was never really fine with the idea.

 

[Lonatian]

So he is still a schemer and a liar who doesn't want people to climb higher or leave the Tower. The decision to stop climbing was the root of the conflict between his supporters and V + Arlen. When he decided to become king, he proposed to Arlen, who rejected him. Marriage wasn't proposed by Gustang, people wanted him to marry since he was the king. Gustang suggested a competition between Zahard Princesses because no normal person can father his children since his blood is too strong. He tricked his companions because he didn't want anyone but Arlen, even for political reasons.

He has the absolute strongest team but is unwilling to go higher. The Tower is meant to be climbed, Baam is willing to do this with his friends and companions he gathered, none of them will ever be as strong as even the weakest of the GWs.

The decision to stop was made by 11 out of 13 people, not just Zahard alone.
What does it matter if he has the strongest team? They all agreed to stop.
Even if he was scheming, the other 10 weren't fools.

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??? The Zahard Princess system was created so that the winner would end up becoming Zahard's wife. People wanted him to marry because a king should have a queen. Zahard accepted the system and tricked his companions so that no one would ever win. He was never really fine with the idea.

I said that Zahard needed the Princess system to run his Empire. I remember Traumerei implying that it was Zahard's idea, not Gustang's. (Ss3 ep 199 )

But the marriage was Gustang's idea.

 

[maverickframe_19]

@Demonspeed Phanta is not Darkness' subordinate; he's his son because he created him. Darkness created an axis. Phanta is a rebel child and Baam is the fail-safe! I don't want to go in on the multiverse theory for TUS but I don't think SIU could do it because his hands are fucked. I would be grateful if he could finish TOG first, then think about expanding it but only if he feels good about it.

When you say subordinate, it means Darkness took him under his wing and trained him. If I were in a company, Darkness would be the senior and Phanta the junior. But he basically created him so subordinate is not the right term.

 

[Demonspeed]

The decision to stop was made by 11 out of 13 people, not just Zahard alone.
What does it matter if he has the strongest team? They all agreed to stop.
Even if he was scheming, the other 10 weren't fools.

Because accepting a competition for marriage and using Spells so that no one would win isn't fooling them of course .

I said that Zahard needed the Princess system to run his Empire. I remember Traumerei implying that it was Zahard's idea, not Gustang's. (Ss3 ep 199 )

But the marriage was Gustang's idea.

Flat out wrong. Traumerei only talked about the selection of princesses. Garam explained how it came to be. If there is anything which can be inferred from this, it's that perhaps Gustang didn't want Enne to become a Zahard Princess. And they are the only family who are against it to this day.

Gustang came up with the system. The Towerborns wanted Zahard, the king, to have a queen. With Zahard's blood, they become able to give birth to his children.

Zahard could have refused, he didn't.

Spoiler

The excuse Zahard came up with to not marry was "No woman can bear my children so I'll remain single". The Zahard Princess system counters that so of course he had to find another way to avoid marrying anyone who wasn't Arlen.

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@Demonspeed Phanta is not Darkness' subordinate; he's his son because he created him. Darkness created an axis. Phanta is a rebel child and Baam is the fail-safe! I don't want to go in on the multiverse theory for TUS but I don't think SIU could do it because his hands are fucked. I would be grateful if he could finish TOG first, then think about expanding it but only if he feels good about it.

When you say subordinate, it means Darkness took him under his wing and trained him. If I were in a company, Darkness would be the senior and Phanta the junior. But he basically created him so subordinate is not the right term.

You can see him as his son if you want but he is by default his subordinate because he created him for a task. I don't think Phanta was born an Axis. People aren't born Axis, they turn into one and it's the ultimate power.

Phanta was created very strong, strong enough to defeat the Shinies by himself. Then he became the King of the Jewels. Phanta refusing to give him the gems is an act of defiance towards his creator.

 

[Lonatian]

Flat out wrong. Traumerei only talked about the selection of princesses. Garam explained how it came to be. If there is anything which can be inferred from this, it's that perhaps Gustang didn't want Enne to become a Zahard Princess. And they are the only family who are against it to this day.

Gustang came up with the system. The Towerborns wanted Zahard, the king, to have a queen. With Zahard's blood, they become able to give birth to his children.

Zahard could have refused, he didn't.

This box is Gustang's words.
View media item 30153That's why I think the Princess system was Zahard's idea. But the competition to become queen was Gustang's idea.

Actually, I think being a princess is enough. I don't understand why they need to become queen. Except for Enne. I think Gustang came up with that idea so Enne could become queen.
Of course, that's just my opinion. I'm not saying it's true because we lack information.

 

[maverickframe_19]

Phanta refusing to give him the gems is an act of defiance towards his creator.

Like I said, a rebel child.

he is by default his subordinate because he created him for a task

Please google what the word "subordinate" means. The fact that he created him by default means he's his creator, a father/mother/parent, or whatever you want to call it, but subordinate is not it, my man.

I don't think Phanta was born an Axis. People aren't born Axis, they turn into one and it's the ultimate power.

Ah, I mean, debatable. How can you be sure that Phanta was not born as an axis? Where is the precedent in the story that completely establishes this narrative? I believe he was born an axis because he is one. The fact he was able to claim and turn shiny ones who were the apex in their time before Darkness created Phanta means he gave him the powers that can bring all the shiny ones under his control or defeat them. How could he have created all of the shiny ones as his personal jewels if he hadn't been given an axis-like power from the moment he was created?

Another thing, it's the ultimate power, correct but his progenitor, darkness, is still above him because he's what the abyss is. He started everything. First there was darkness and then there was light. SIU very specifically said that. If Phanta were that strong an axis, he would have had the tower's dominion under his control way back, but for some reason he doesn't. All of his shiny ones that attempted to take control of the tower were unsuccessful. How is that possible if it weren't for some other entity (let's say another axis or even OG ) isn't interfering in his plans? So it's clear to me that another strong axis, someone stronger than Phanta, is interfering with his plans, and it could very well be Darkness itself, as he needs Baam to climb the tower and complete it.

 

[Lonatian]

I remember seeing in a blog post or on TUS that Axis power is something that is awakened, not something you are born with.

 

[Demonspeed]

This box is Gustang's words.
View media item 30153That's why I think the Princess system was Zahard's idea. But the competition to become queen was Gustang's idea.

Actually, I think being a princess is enough. I don't understand why they need to become queen. Except for Enne. I think Gustang came up with that idea so Enne could become queen.
Of course, that's just my opinion. I'm not saying it's true because we lack information.

Garam, an actual Zahard Princess of old explained how it came to be, and you are denying it. Traumerei is talking about the choice of princesses, not the idea. Perhaps Gustang was against Enne becoming one. That's why Traumerei told him not to make a fuss about it.

Gustang is saying that he has strange ideas. Could be about the choices he made, like picking Enne for example, could be about the Red Dump, something he was against initially etc. The Po Bidau Family doesn't pick potential Zahard Princesses candidate.

The origin of the competition has been made clear.

 

[Lonatian]

Garam, an actual Zahard Princess of old explained how it came to be, and you are denying it. Traumerei is talking about the choice of princesses, not the idea. Perhaps Gustang was against Enne becoming one. That's why Traumerei told him not to make a fuss about it.

Gustang is saying that he has strange ideas. Could be about the choices he made, like picking Enne for example, could be about the Red Dump, something he was against initially etc. The Po Bidau Family doesn't pick potential Zahard Princesses candidate.

The origin of the competition has been made clear.

Despite the lack of information, I believe Gustang supports Enne becoming princess. Blossom is the only one who opposes it.

Garam is just repeating what she knows. Gustang told them that. But Gustang didn't tell them about Arlene. I don't deny what Garam said, but that's what they know, not the whole truth.

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In fact, Zahard had no problem with a princess; he only had a problem with the queen.
Believe it or not, but to me, the idea of marriage was clearly not something he wanted.

 

[Demonspeed]

Despite the lack of information, I believe Gustang supports Enne becoming princess. Blossom is the only one who opposes it.

Garam is just repeating what she knows. Gustang told them that. But Gustang didn't tell them about Arlene. I don't deny what Garam said, but that's what they know, not the whole truth.

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In fact, Zahard had no problem with a princess; he only had a problem with the queen.
Believe it or not, but to me, the idea of marriage was clearly not something he wanted.

Does anything about this change the fact that he lied and fooled his companions?

 

[arrowofsky]

Can we stick this thread @Demonspeed , it is getting more and more informative and this subject will be more important with each chapter.

 

[Lonatian]

Does anything about this change the fact that he lied and fooled his companions?

I made it clear. Whether you like to see Zahard as a liar or whatever is none of my business. I said Zahard agreed to the princess system, but didn't want to get married. Gustang came up with the idea, Zahard didn't like it but yes, perhaps he didn't refuse.

FHs aren't fools. Except for Enne and Gustang, I don't see anyone else actually sending their daughter with the hope that she'll become queen.
His other companions weren't as ambitious as Gustang.

 

[Demonspeed]

Can we stick this thread @Demonspeed , it is getting more and more informative and this subject will be more important with each chapter.

No, we don't stick threads for these reasons.

I made it clear. Whether you like to see Zahard as a liar or whatever is none of my business. I said Zahard agreed to the princess system, but didn't want to get married. Gustang came up with the idea, Zahard didn't like it but yes, perhaps he didn't refuse.

FHs aren't fools. Except for Enne and Gustang, I don't see anyone else actually sending their daughter with the hope that she'll become queen.
His other companions weren't as ambitious as Gustang.

Straight denial of the facts I see . The system exists and he cursed the weapons to ensure that no one would win. Such an upstanding, honest person .

The competition exists for that. To this day, people still try to get Zahard Princesses. There were other princesses from the 10F before too.

Ah, I mean, debatable. How can you be sure that Phanta was not born as an axis? Where is the precedent in the story that completely establishes this narrative? I believe he was born an axis because he is one. The fact he was able to claim and turn shiny ones who were the apex in their time before Darkness created Phanta means he gave him the powers that can bring all the shiny ones under his control or defeat them. How could he have created all of the shiny ones as his personal jewels if he hadn't been given an axis-like power from the moment he was created?

Another thing, it's the ultimate power, correct but his progenitor, darkness, is still above him because he's what the abyss is. He started everything. First there was darkness and then there was light. SIU very specifically said that. If Phanta were that strong an axis, he would have had the tower's dominion under his control way back, but for some reason he doesn't. All of his shiny ones that attempted to take control of the tower were unsuccessful. How is that possible if it weren't for some other entity (let's say another axis or even OG ) isn't interfering in his plans? So it's clear to me that another strong axis, someone stronger than Phanta, is interfering with his plans, and it could very well be Darkness itself, as he needs Baam to climb the tower and complete it.

Because it's been said that people turn into Axis, they aren't born that way. And the very strongest are called Kings. Phanta is obviously born with his special powers, but he wasn't an Axis. All Shinies also have their special powers, like Mago's Reversal.

As far as we know, Darkness itself can't do anything other than create and Phanta is roaming free despite his disobedience. It's not a physical being.

Phanta is the absolute strongest ToG character that we know. He could easily defeat anyone we know, but he has his own plans that we don't know. He didn't kill any of the Shiny, Urek included, he didn't kill Zahard, he didn't kill Yuri. In the link I posted, Phanta being able to destroy the whole story of ToG is listed as a fact.

 

[arrowofsky]

No, we don't stick threads for these reasons.

Because it's been said that people turn into Axis, they aren't born that way. And the very strongest are called Kings. Phanta is obviously born with his special powers, but he wasn't an Axis. All Shinies also have their special powers, like Mago's Reversal.

As far as we know, Darkness itself can't do anything other than create and Phanta is roaming free despite his disobedience. It's not a physical being.

Phanta is the absolute strongest ToG character that we know. He could easily defeat anyone we know, but he has his own plans that we don't know. He didn't kill any of the Shiny, Urek included, he didn't kill Zahard, he didn't kill Yuri. In the link I posted, Phanta being able to destroy the whole story of ToG is listed as a fact.

All I want to know is if he can lose axis powers. Him disobeying after getting 6 shinies felt like those empowered him enough. As low as it can be, if there is that possibility to somehow overpower it, it is a very good, badass villain. Otherwise, he should be sidelined and he should ignore ToG, but deep down we know that nothing is important.

 

[Shinwonryu]

Enne mentioned that the real King had locked himself inside the Red Dump. Basically, the False King refers to the king currently residing on floor 134.

Post the relevant panel as I just took that to mean Zahard was compartmentalizing himself. When Enryu called him the False King I don’t think he cared about the “real” Zahard in the Red Dump.

 

[Lonatian]

Straight denial of the facts I see . The system exists and he cursed the weapons to ensure that no one would win. Such an upstanding, honest person .

The competition exists for that. To this day, people still try to get Zahard Princesses. There were other princesses from the 10F before too.

We lack information, and Zahard had an unknown goal when he cursed the 13MS. They could absolutely possess two MS, but they just couldn't activate them simultaneously.

I don't want to argue with you if you don't believe the princess system was Zahard's idea, but marrying them was Gustang's idea. I've provided evidence, but you're trying to explain it differently (I still find it ridiculous; who would complain about Zahard's choice of princesses? Clearly, Traumerei told Gustang to stop complaining and choose a princess to send to Zahard).

Garam only said that Gustang suggested the idea. We lack information here. Garam said the reason is Arlene, then it's impossible that Gustang didn't know that.

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Post the relevant panel as I just took that to mean Zahard was compartmentalizing himself. When Enryu called him the False King I don’t think he cared about the “real” Zahard in the Red Dump.

This hasn't been proven. Enne says the King locked himself in a garbage dump. I don't see that implying he was compartmentalizing himself.

 

[maverickframe_19]

Because it's been said that people turn into Axis, they aren't born that way. And the very strongest are called Kings. Phanta is obviously born with his special powers, but he wasn't an Axis.

But shiny's arent axis. They might have potential for it if they could climb the tower, because finishing the tower can make you an axis, as anciently specified by SIU. If I recall correctly, the apex of the tower "irregulars in Eduan" has already handed Mago her ass, and Urek, in my opinion, cannot kill an admin for the time being, so does he have the potential to become axis? I think Baam does by the token of him being the MC for Tower of God. As I previously stated, Baam and Urek will be required to take down Phanta.

Phanta, from the moment he was created, showed Axis-like powers; otherwise, how can you control six shiny ones and convert them into jewels? A gimmick like reversal for Phanta or some superpower for Phanta to defeat these 6 shiny ones also doesn't make sense to me. Hence, my conclusion is that Phanta was born with axis-like powers or he was one ever since his birth.

 

[V_TheHiddenAxis]

In the link I posted, Phanta being able to destroy the whole story of ToG is listed as a fact.

Can you post it again please?

 

[arrowofsky]

Can you post it again please?

He means this one: https://towerofgod.fandom.com/wiki/...e_and_Exes_(T.U.S_세계관_-_엑시즈)_by_샤프_(kim0615c)

After the exes title, we see Pentaminum.