Discussion What stops pirates from reaching raftel?

[Nonlife]

The 4th Wall?

 

[natli]

I liked the ideas with a useless log pose and reverse gravity, it could mean that Raftel could be upside down, or that All Blue can be a sea in the sky (and not made of clouds).

Ever since Oda invented sky islands, I thought that Raftel must be one of those strange places which are underwater, in the sky, underground or on the moon. So, to answer the first post, what stops pirates from reaching Raftel is not lack of strength or intelligence but lack of imagination. If it was a matter of strenght or smarts, I think one of the yonkou would go there.

 

[matzik1212]

Not all pirates want to become the Pirate King or find One Piece. I doubt Shanks is looking for One Piece since a) He is letting Luffy find it and b) It is not much of an adventure to find something you have already seen.

sorry but i don't think that we know for sure if shanks is searching for one piece or not and i also disagree on what you said about shanks letting luffy to find it he just encouraged luffy to follow his dream to become PK that's all....we don't know for sure if he will just stand there and simply watch luffy go for it ^_^..and it doesn't mean that if roger found one piece then his all crew was present ..if that were the case then buggy for sure would have owned it ,right?

 

[starkaos]

sorry but i don't think that we know for sure if shanks is searching for one piece or not and i also disagree on what you said about shanks letting luffy to find it he just encouraged luffy to follow his dream to become PK that's all....we don't know for sure if he will just stand there and simply watch luffy go for it ^_^..and it doesn't mean that if roger found one piece then his all crew was present ..if that were the case then buggy for sure would have owned it ,right?

Knowing how to get to One Piece and getting it are two completely different things. Which is why Buggy would have problems to get One Piece if he wanted to. Buggy and Shanks were on the trip with Roger that found One Piece so it is likely that they know what One Piece is. The reason why Shanks wouldn't want to find One Piece is because he already knows what it is. What is the point of finding a treasure that you already know all you can about it? To me it seems that Shank's dream is to usher in the new pirates to the new age.

 

[MCCmonkey]

i just read the thread about if luffy would die when one piece ends, and noticed the time that the travel took to roger (30 years) and the strawhats (the first half took them 6 months - 1 years so we can asume they will reach raftel in max 2 years) and i thugh of something,
what if actually many pirate crews hace already reached raftel, but this island have a secret building underneath it, and to be able to open it you need to have traveled every route in the GL + have found every phoneglyph (sry if the spelling is bad)
its just a theory but it makes sense for me

 

[Anduren]

It would be a funny twist if Vartigo is a codename for Raftel and that's where the revolutionary headquarters are located. It would be positioned exactly opposite to the world government's main base and unreachable to anyone who doesn't know how to get there, which would explain why the revolutionaries are so dangerous to the world government and why their base hasn't been found out yet. After all its the only place even the marines can't get to in the whole world. Also I remember dragon (repeatedly?) saying something about the time Luffy will run into him is getting closer when Luffy's goal has always been Raftel.

I do like the idea about it being up side down under reverse mountain though. I never thought of that before and think that's the kind of creative thing Oda would come up with. But if I go out of my way to make assumptions, I noticed how windy it looks in the scene where Ivan confronts dragon about his family, if that was on Vartigo it seems awfully windy just like when they showed a picture of Raftel when Crokus introduced it at reverse mountain.

 

[MaiSiaoSiao]

It would be a funny twist if Vartigo is a codename for Raftel and that's where the revolutionary headquarters are located. It would be positioned exactly opposite to the world government's main base and unreachable to anyone who doesn't know how to get there, which would explain why the revolutionaries are so dangerous to the world government and why their base hasn't been found out yet. After all its the only place even the marines can't get to in the whole world. Also I remember dragon (repeatedly?) saying something about the time Luffy will run into him is getting closer when Luffy's goal has always been Raftel.

I do like the idea about it being up side down under reverse mountain though. I never thought of that before and think that's the kind of creative thing Oda would come up with. But if I go out of my way to make assumptions, I noticed how windy it looks in the scene where Ivan confronts dragon about his family, if that was on Vartigo it seems awfully windy just like when they showed a picture of Raftel when Crokus introduced it at reverse mountain.

Lol then he could have just bought Luffy straight there.Though luffy wouldn't go.XD And about what Dragon said,maybe his base could be suited somewhere in the NW and somewhere that cant be found easily.

 

[Anduren]

Yeah... On second thought, its not much of a possibility. It was just a random thought. After all, if Vartigo is really Raftel that would be a problem since Robin must've spent a good amount of the 2 year time skip there with Dragon and if it was really Raftel then she no longer would have a reason to go there to look for the Rio Ponaglyph. Although that still doesn't really say much about how to get to Raftel or why noone seems to be able to get there.

 

[TheProtege]

ive wondered this for quite awhile. i just gave up thinkin about it and left it up to it being a log pose thing. like one island takes several years to set or some ish...idk

 

[starkaos]

ive wondered this for quite awhile. i just gave up thinkin about it and left it up to it being a log pose thing. like one island takes several years to set or some ish...idk

Little Garden takes one year for the log pose to set properly. The Strawhats had to use an Eternal Pose to escape from there. Which is why I doubt the idea that to get to Raftel you must take every path.

 

[tothx]

Well what do we know?

1. It takes an amazing ship.
2. There is bound to be unbelieveably crazy weather around the island.
3. It has something to do with the Poneglyphs
4. There's a trick to getting there, Roger knew it and he was one of the few people in the world that could get some information out of the Poneglyphs thru his ability.
5. It looks like this:

Yes, that is an image of Raftel.

 

[WickedNeko]

Maybe it rises from the depth of sea once every moon or something. But anyways...

Rayleigh said something to the effect of "we learned things too early / world was not yet ready to learn"... so I can see Shanks actively guarding the secret to reaching Raftel from others because he fears the turmoil that secret might bring upon the world.

 

[Freid]

@Geez Nice theory. I normally dont read long theories till the end cause they start to get too specific and thus more unlikely. As for the X in the middle. It may be hinting something indeed. Or maybe its just marking each corner. Or that is what Oda wants us to believe . All in all It was a good read and indeed possible.

As for what stops pirates from reaching raftel. I absolutely got no clue. I mean, I could start guessing and spurting out random theories but there's no point. It's an interesting topic though.

 

[Fox666]

5. It looks like this:

Anyone?

Spoiler

 

[inusama]

hmm...is there any village or town in raftel? i wonder about the citizens....what would it be?

 

[tret16]

i would imagine that there isn't any citizens mainly because then it would show that it's not not that someone reached the island. i mean at first it was made that sky island was only legend yet after they finished that arc there had been more then one or two pirate crews there, and i think that's mainly because that it's not that hard to get there. so for Raftel, i believe that it's an uninhabited island but is like a paradise

 

[Zatono]

I'd think that the problems around getting to Raftel aren't entirely weather related, because then what? The whole crew gets to bow to Nami after she somehow gets them in? There's gotta be something else involved.

 

[Fox666]

i would imagine that there isn't any citizens mainly because then it would show that it's not not that someone reached the island. i mean at first it was made that sky island was only legend yet after they finished that arc there had been more then one or two pirate crews there, and i think that's mainly because that it's not that hard to get there. so for Raftel, i believe that it's an uninhabited island but is like a paradise

Hmm, the manga clearly states that there is another passage to Skypeia. In fact, it display a image of Skypeia with a "bridge" to the "blue sea".

 

[Wolf D. Arius]

You have to think about one thing:

It says: "The only group that arrived there was Gold Roger and his Crew"

You know... history is a "hot" topic. Sometimes, it says "the only group that arrived", but it could be told wrong. It could be "the only group that LEFT Raftel alive", and thats a big difference.

History and Stories are told by people, just like written books there could be some facts that they dont know about.

So i would say: its totally possible that there have been more people and crews that reached raftel, but only one has left it alive.

 

[DLord.Van.Buuren]

Its totally deep if you look at it that way, after all its the freaking raftel we're talking about here which no body is supposed to reach let alone leave, and I wondered why they called it the pirates grave yard.