Discussion Where in Impel Down would you throw them?

[JC123]

I gotta contest two things:

Rayleigh/Buggy/Crocus : lvl 6

I mean, seriously? Buggy AND Crocus?

Rayleigh has a lot of power to fend off people and live life freely. At most, because he's Gol's Right Hand Man, I would put him on 5 at most.

Buggy was good right where he was. Not only is he physically weak but he has yet to use his powers to the utmost. He was good right where he was at 3 even after the increased bounty.

Crocus I won't recommend for the last few levels. He seems to have kept a low profile. Even with him fighting with Gol D, he was what... the professor? He kept Gol alive but it seems that Gol D protected him more than allowed him to fight.

At most, I'd keep him on level 4 for his partnering. Maybe 5 for association. But level 6 seems excessive when he's not as prevalent as Rayleigh or Gol respectively.

That said, a few I liked:

Mr 4 - Level 4
Mole woman - Level 3
Red Leg - Level 3
Mihawk - Level 5

 

[kkck]

Basically anyone of Lucci's strength or above should be level 6. Even then, Iva insta-KO'ed some level 6'ers with a Death Wink, so strength isn't everything.

I have my doubts about your comment about lucci. Don't get me wrong, the guy is a beast but the guys who have been actually seen in level six would defeat lucci without breaking a sweat. Ivankov and inazume were important revolutionary leaders under the worlds most dangerous criminal, and yet they are only level 5. Maybe luffy's feats would earn him level 6 but I do believe that his strength is that of level 5.

And yet Luffy defeated Crocodile "mano a mano". Regardless of the luck involved, Crocodile was in his home element (the desert) and has a huge advantage but Luffy still won. Not to mention he defeated Moria, CP9 etc. Luffy is also responsible for destroying Enies Lobby, breaking out of IMpel Down, smashing a World Noble, bringing shame to the World Government for defeating two Shichibukai etc. Luffy is a Shichibukai in everything but belief and a threat at the highest levels to the World Government. Luffy should definitely be in Level 6!

Well, luffy fought crocodile 3 times, he was bound to get lucky sometime lol. Maybe this would be easier if we had seen the strength of a few of the other people in level 6. So far we have seen only crocodile and jimbei who IMHO opinion are within the scope of the "stupidly powerful" category. Maybe other more traditional level 6 prisoners would be closer in power to luffy. In any case if all the level 6 prisoners are comparable to jimbei or crocodile, then luffy should not be anywhere near that place.

BTW, when luffy fought moria 1 on 1, he barely managed to land a hit. Given what we saw and what has been said, I would not have been surprised if moria actually has a lot more strength than what he showed. Seriously, the guy fought on par with a yonkou, yet he barely did any direct fighting in TB arc. Maybe we will see more of him during the war.

 

[Onomatopoeia]

Mihawk - Level 5

So confused. Why?

 

[kkck]

So Confused. Why?

can't help but wonder the exact same thing. I would honestly start level 7 just for him lol.

 

[Gecko Moria]

Well, luffy fought crocodile 3 times, he was bound to get lucky sometime lol. Maybe this would be easier if we had seen the strength of a few of the other people in level 6. So far we have seen only crocodile and jimbei who IMHO opinion are within the scope of the "stupidly powerful" category. Maybe other more traditional level 6 prisoners would be closer in power to luffy. In any case if all the level 6 prisoners are comparable to jimbei or crocodile, then luffy should not be anywhere near that place.

Luffy went into battle with no idea of Crocodile's powers and on Crocodile's home turf (desert) so losses are acceptable. Iva knocked out Level 6 prisoners with a single "Death Wink" so it's clear that not all of them are on the same level as Crocodile and Jinbei. It's probably same to assume that Crocodile and Jinbei were the stronger ones there. Additionally, some pirates are placed in Level 6 based on their threat level to the World Government. As I elaborated in my previous post, Luffy's done many things that could be considered threatening to the WG, and regardless of how he did it, Luffy has defeated some powerful opponents therefore he should be in Level 6.

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

I gotta contest two things:
I mean, seriously? Buggy AND Crocus?

If you read the last chapter, you can see that Buggy is considered to be a very hazardous person, worst than the two Shichibukais that betrayed the WG. Instead of them, he is said to be the main responsible for the ID incident with Luffy.
For the ID incident, his past with Gol D. Roger and his unique brothership with Shanks, he would definitely be sent to LVL 6.

About Crocus, it is because he was a Gol D. Roger's pirate that I think he would be sent to LVL 6. When you see how Tom was sent to ID because he built a ship to him whereas he had great abilities that could help technology knowledge, you know that everything that is linked to the Pirate King is someone the WG wants to hide.
Besides, Crocus is the one that had allowed Gol D. Roger to become what he became : without him, he would not have been able to be a pirate. That means without Crocus, there would have not been a Pirate King. That is definitely a good reason to send him to lvl 6.

And do not forget neither that the Pirate King's crew is all supposed to have discovered the True History, one of the worst crime against WG.

 

[kkck]

Luffy went into battle with no idea of Crocodile's powers and on Crocodile's home turf (desert) so losses are acceptable. Iva knocked out Level 6 prisoners with a single "Death Wink" so it's clear that not all of them are on the same level as Crocodile and Jinbei. It's probably same to assume that Crocodile and Jinbei were the stronger ones there. Additionally, some pirates are placed in Level 6 based on their threat level to the World Government. As I elaborated in my previous post, Luffy's done many things that could be considered threatening to the WG, and regardless of how he did it, Luffy has defeated some powerful opponents therefore he should be in Level 6.

To be fair, crocodile also did not know about luffy's power at first. If anything, fights between two people who know nothing of each other are the ones where you can tell best who was the stronger one.We also have to consider the context of our post. I agree in that featwise luffy is level 6 material but in terms of overall power, luffy should be in level 5.

 

[Gecko Moria]

To be fair, crocodile also did not know about luffy's power at first. If anything, fights between two people who know nothing of each other are the ones where you can tell best who was the stronger one.We also have to consider the context of our post. I agree in that featwise luffy is level 6 material but in terms of overall power, luffy should be in level 5.

IMO Crocodile not knowing about Luffy's power was a lesser disadvantage than Luffy having no knowledge of Crocodile's power. It doesn't matter if Luffy's Level 6 material "feat-wise" or by strength, he's Level 6 material, basically he should be down there. Additionally, he's not that weak (perhaps compared to Jimbei he's not that powerful) certainly stronger than some of the other prisoners in Level 6 though.

 

[JC123]

So confused. Why?

He's a Shichi. To put him down with Jimbei is to have two powers centered right on top of each other. I'd rather have Jimbei and Mihawk on different floors just so they can't even THINK of
having a friendship form.

About Crocus, it is because he was a Gol D. Roger's pirate that I think he would be sent to LVL 6. When you see how Tom was sent to ID because he built a ship to him whereas he had great abilities that could help technology knowledge, you know that everything that is linked to the Pirate King is someone the WG wants to hide.
Besides, Crocus is the one that had allowed Gol D. Roger to become what he became : without him, he would not have been able to be a pirate. That means without Crocus, there would have not been a Pirate King. That is definitely a good reason to send him to lvl 6.

TBH, I doubt he'd be down there for knowing the Pirate King per se...

From the looks, he didn't really do much more than heal people. I put him in the same category as Chopper. Important, yes, but the doctors don't seem to be as well known for what they do. If anything, he may see Level 4 or 5 if he were caught but judging from the fact that the WG seems to have left him alone, his bounty can't have been that high.

 

[Onomatopoeia]

He's a Shichi. To put him down with Jimbei is to have two powers centered right on top of each other. I'd rather have Jimbei and Mihawk on different floors just so they can't even THINK of
having a friendship form.

The Marines put Jimbei and Ace not only in the same floor but in the same cage despite knowing full well that Jimbei at least sympathized with WB(which is why he wouldn't fight him) and depending on how good there intelligence is they might even know that Jimbei and Ace were friends beforehand.

I'd honestly put Mihawk as far down as possible. If worst comes to worst they could put them on opposite sides of the level since each level has shown to be pretty big. They'd have to scream to hear each other. Which would be kind of unrealistic.

Jimbea: "HEY MIHAWK HOW'S IT GOING? WANT TO WORK TOGETHER TO GET OUT OF HERE!!!!!"

Mihawk: "SOUNDS GOOD TO ME, HOW ARE WE GOING TO GET PAST THE GUARDS THOUGH??!!!"

Jimbea: "DON'T WORRY I HAVE A PLAN BUT WERE GOING TO HAVE TO TALK REALLY QUITELY!!!"

Hahah that would be funny actually.

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

but judging from the fact that the WG seems to have left him alone, his bounty can't have been that high.

It is not possible that the WG decided to let him live alone after his piracy with Gol D. Roger. They are very concerned with everything linked to the Pirate King : this is why Tom was sent to ID even if he was not an outlaw, this is why the WG maintained Rayleigh's bounty even if he lived peacefully after the death of the PK, this is why the marine is very concerned about Buggy because from now on they know he was a PK's nakama.
The only viable explanation would be that Crocus has no bounty, that the WG does not know he was a Gol D. Roger's pirate : after all, they did not know for Buggy.

Then, knowing who Crocus really is, I would definitely send him to LVL 6 : he is the one that allowed the PK to survive (and to walk, to fight etc ...) enough time to conquer the Grand Line.
It is not for nothing that among all the PK's nakamas, one of the four that Oda has decided to show us is Crocus : it is because of the central place he had in the crew. Do not forget that it is because he had to leave the crew, that the crew disbanded.

 

[kkck]

IMO Crocodile not knowing about Luffy's power was a lesser disadvantage than Luffy having no knowledge of Crocodile's power. It doesn't matter if Luffy's Level 6 material "feat-wise" or by strength, he's Level 6 material, basically he should be down there. Additionally, he's not that weak (perhaps compared to Jimbei he's not that powerful) certainly stronger than some of the other prisoners in Level 6 though.

I kinda disagree with that. Just because crocodile had more overall power than luffy doesn't mean crocodile had any less of a disadvantage than luffy. Both fought without knowing what the other was capable of and luffy got utterly and easily owned twice. Obviously after much trouble luffy managed to win though(I do think that even know, crocodile would defeat luffy if he gets serious and does not do dumb things as in alabasta).

Now, I do think the reason for which each individual gets send to w/e level is important. Not stating such as detail could lead to misinterpretations of what someone is saying. For what we know, you can get sent to each level for two reasons:

- According to your strength. Only thing which matters when for levels 1-5 considering that if you get sent into a level and you are not strong enough for it, you die. It can also get you into level 6.

-Threat level you pose for whatever reason other than strength. This can get you past level 1-5 straight into level 6 in spite of how strong you are. For instance, robin would not last a day in levels 3-5 yet because of her knowledge she might end up in level 6 where she would indeed survive for quite some time.

Now, we do not know how strong most level 6 prisoners are but IMHO they should be stronger than luffy of lucci and closer to the strength of jimbei and crocodile. Given what crocodile said and what little we have seen, level 6 prisoners are not people who failed to conquer the first half of the grandline. They are criminals who were second to whitebeard.

Luffy is strong, but I doubt he is level 6 strong. His feats could earn him level 6 at this point though.

 

[Gecko Moria]

I kinda disagree with that. Just because crocodile had more overall power than luffy doesn't mean crocodile had any less of a disadvantage than luffy. Both fought without knowing what the other was capable of and luffy got utterly and easily owned twice. Obviously after much trouble luffy managed to win though(I do think that even know, crocodile would defeat luffy if he gets serious and does not do dumb things as in alabasta).

Like I said, Crocodile was in the desert where his Devil Fruit powers near invincible. Not much of a fair fight IMO, therefore losses were acceptable from Luffy. If the battle had taken place on a ship in the sea the results may have been different (a desert is practically the only place without water).

Now, I do think the reason for which each individual gets send to w/e level is important. Not stating such as detail could lead to misinterpretations of what someone is saying. For what we know, you can get sent to each level for two reasons:

- According to your strength. Only thing which matters when for levels 1-5 considering that if you get sent into a level and you are not strong enough for it, you die. It can also get you into level 6.

-Threat level you pose for whatever reason other than strength. This can get you past level 1-5 straight into level 6 in spite of how strong you are. For instance, robin would not last a day in levels 3-5 yet because of her knowledge she might end up in level 6 where she would indeed survive for quite some time.

Now, we do not know how strong most level 6 prisoners are but IMHO they should be stronger than luffy of lucci and closer to the strength of jimbei and crocodile. Given what crocodile said and what little we have seen, level 6 prisoners are not people who failed to conquer the first half of the grandline. They are criminals who were second to whitebeard.

Luffy is strong, but I doubt he is level 6 strong. His feats could earn him level 6 at this point though.

Iva knocked out a couple of the Level 6 prisoners with one "Death Wink", so not all the Level 6 prisoners are that strong. If you meet one of the two criteria (threat level or strength) you will be in Level 6. By saying "his feats could earn him Level 6" you have admitted that Luffy is Level 6 material.

 

[kkck]

Like I said, Crocodile was in the desert where his Devil Fruit powers near invincible. Not much of a fair fight IMO, therefore losses were acceptable from Luffy. If the battle had taken place on a ship in the sea the results may have been different (a desert is practically the only place without water).



Iva knocked out a couple of the Level 6 prisoners with one "Death Wink", so not all the Level 6 prisoners are that strong. If you meet one of the two criteria (threat level or strength) you will be in Level 6. By saying "his feats could earn him Level 6" you have admitted that Luffy is Level 6 material.

In the first two fights crocodile did take advantage of the desert, but I do think it would not have been that different had they been anywhere else(except a rainy or snowy place). Overall the biggest problem was that luffy could not(and still can't) hit crocodile.

Also, iva only hit a few of the level 6 prisoners. Whether they were knocked out or he could have won a fight on normal circumstances is highly debatable. Hitting a bunch of starved chained prisoners is not much of a feat, even ussop could pull that off.

As for the bolded part, yes I did admit that, I wrote it in my post.

Luffy is strong, but I doubt he is level 6 strong. His feats could earn him level 6 at this point though.

I simply think the reason for being sent to level 6 is important. For instance, lets take robin and an hypothetical unknown uber pirate A. Robin by no means has the strength of a traditional level 6 prisoner yet her knowledge might send her there. Now for pirate A; the guy could be completely unknown yet if he is arrested and levels 1-5 cannot contain him, he will be sent to level 6.

Now, even if luffy has the feats to earn him level 6, I really don't think he has the strength of a level 6 prisoner. That's all I am saying.

 

[Gecko Moria]

In the first two fights crocodile did take advantage of the desert, but I do think it would not have been that different had they been anywhere else(except a rainy or snowy place). Overall the biggest problem was that luffy could not(and still can't) hit crocodile.

Also, iva only hit a few of the level 6 prisoners. Whether they were knocked out or he could have won a fight on normal circumstances is highly debatable. Hitting a bunch of starved chained prisoners is not much of a feat, even ussop could pull that off.

As for the bolded part, yes I did admit that, I wrote it in my post.


I simply think the reason for being sent to level 6 is important. For instance, lets take robin and an hypothetical unknown uber pirate A. Robin by no means has the strength of a traditional level 6 prisoner yet her knowledge might send her there. Now for pirate A; the guy could be completely unknown yet if he is arrested and levels 1-5 cannot contain him, he will be sent to level 6.

Now, even if luffy has the feats to earn him level 6, I really don't think he has the strength of a level 6 prisoner. That's all I am saying.

As we all know now, it's not all that difficult to hit Crocodile. With nearly any sort of liquid on his hands, Luffy will be able to punch him sky high. Despite being chained or starved, if they were in Level 6 in terms of power those prisoners should easily be able to take more than a simple attack like that. A "Death Wink"would leave people like Crocodile and Jimbei unfazed, though I'll admit that those two are probably at the epitome of Level 6 power. Technically, it's impossible to have been sent to Impel Down for doing nothing or something insignificant. Therefore, any prisoner in Level 6 needs to have a combination of World Government threatening feats and strength. For example, your "Pirate A" wouldn't even be sent to Impel Down if he was unknown. Any prisoner in Impel Down needs to have some sort of bounty. Luffy is not weak. Regardless of how he did it, he's defeated plenty of strong opponents, and in the World Government's eyes, he is Level 6 material feat-wise and power-wise.

 

[goldb]

Being in Level 6 is more about posessing knowledge or being a direct threat to the world government. so with that said Robin would be in Level 6 because she can read poneglyphs.

If Luffy were to be captured right now, he would be in Level 6 that much I'm pretty sure about...

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

If Luffy were to be captured right now, he would be in Level 6 that much I'm pretty sure about...

Actually, it depends if Luffy would be send to ID. Sharlia, the tenryubito girl, personally wants to take care of Luffy. Then, maybe, Luffy would be send to Mariejoa and not ID.

 

[kkck]

As we all know now, it's not all that difficult to hit Crocodile. With nearly any sort of liquid on his hands, Luffy will be able to punch him sky high. Despite being chained or starved, if they were in Level 6 in terms of power those prisoners should easily be able to take more than a simple attack like that. A "Death Wink"would leave people like Crocodile and Jimbei unfazed, though I'll admit that those two are probably at the epitome of Level 6 power. Technically, it's impossible to have been sent to Impel Down for doing nothing or something insignificant. Therefore, any prisoner in Level 6 needs to have a combination of World Government threatening feats and strength. For example, your "Pirate A" wouldn't even be sent to Impel Down if he was unknown. Any prisoner in Impel Down needs to have some sort of bounty. Luffy is not weak. Regardless of how he did it, he's defeated plenty of strong opponents, and in the World Government's eyes, he is Level 6 material feat-wise and power-wise.

Actually just calling yourself a pirate is enough of a crime to get chased by the marines lol. Now, if A gets some attention and gets captured(take buggy or any pirate from level 1), he would be sent to ID just because of the sheer hypothetical power he has. All he has to do is prove that levels 1-5 really can't contain him for him to be sent to level 6.

And how do you know the prisoners could not take death wink? All we saw was that they got hit, nothing else. We also do not know the mechanics behind death wink. If it has something to do with haki(big if), then it would be quite a fearsome attack and it would not be surprising if it actually knocks out level 6 starved prisoners in one hit.

I guess this is kinda subjective but I don't think luffy at this point is strong enough as level 6 prisoners. The opponents who IMO were level 6 material were enel, against whom luffy had an unique advantage and could not be hurt by enels strongest attacks, crocodile against whom luffy got kinda lucky IMHO and moria who luffy never fought head on except for while(and got his ass handed to him). The ones at SA were also level 6 worthy but as we all saw they easily kicked the strawhats asses. As for lucci, I think he is at best level 5 worthy but by no means level 6.

Level 6 prisoners are as called by crocodile silver medallists. They were people who got defeated by people such as WB. Luffy at the moment is a supernova. A supernova is a pirate who has conquered the first half of the grand line and got a rookie status. How can a rookie even begin to compare to a silver medallist? Luffy is strong and has been incredibly lucky but IMHO he is just strong enough to be sent to level 5(while his feats would send him straight to level 6).

 

[Metal D. Reaper]

I think that any Yonkou or stronger or Dragon should be sentenced too the death penalty by the WG because they would show off their streng.

Also luffy isn't strong enough too go to lvl 6 and has yet too discover alot but in a fight their isn't only the muscles that count also your brains and in a fight he used water against croc. and invented gear 2 3 against Lucci

The silver medalist are people who lost in the name of the marine and stuff but they all are of a high lvl and could easily beat the guys like Das Bones and Dino

The treaths that the prisoners of lvl 6 reprensent are that great that they are locked up in the depth of IP and by def have a nice little bounty or atleast knowed by the marine too be highly searched even with a low bounty.All rookies should be locked up in Lvl 5 and Wapol also because in Lvl 5 their isn't much too eat and in LVL 2 their are the animals who should taste pretty good

 

[virbens]

This would never happen but kkck did say any character so...
Aokiji: Level 6
Kizaru: Level 6
Magellan: Level 5
Any of the Shichibukai: Level 6
Enel: Level 4
Wapol: Level 2
All open for debate

enel # 4? gotta be kidding me he took out zoro & sanji &moves at lightning fast speed luffy only won because of his rubber and he still almost lost

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In the first two fights crocodile did take advantage of the desert, but I do think it would not have been that different had they been anywhere else(except a rainy or snowy place). Overall the biggest problem was that luffy could not(and still can't) hit crocodile.

Also, iva only hit a few of the level 6 prisoners. Whether they were knocked out or he could have won a fight on normal circumstances is highly debatable. Hitting a bunch of starved chained prisoners is not much of a feat, even ussop could pull that off.

As for the bolded part, yes I did admit that, I wrote it in my post.


I simply think the reason for being sent to level 6 is important. For instance, lets take robin and an hypothetical unknown uber pirate A. Robin by no means has the strength of a traditional level 6 prisoner yet her knowledge might send her there. Now for pirate A; the guy could be completely unknown yet if he is arrested and levels 1-5 cannot contain him, he will be sent to level 6.

Now, even if luffy has the feats to earn him level 6, I really don't think he has the strength of a level 6 prisoner. That's all I am saying.

how the hell is luffy not lvl 6 material he beat down moria dont even remember crocodile he beat moria and im not talking about nightmare luffy i mean he himself when he was dead tied and in grave condition took out 1000 shadow moria, moria fought on par with a yonkou and im pretty sure any of the yonkou would be sent straight to lvl 6 and luffy beat him he is easily a level 6 oh and lets not forget rob lucci, rob lucci who was in such high regards of the navy if hes not level 6 then just about every in level 6 isnt level 6 material