Discussion Who Are Your Top 10 Strongest Characters?

[Shadowlord123]

I have no clue why Hawk Mama is being ranked 1st, and at this point I'm too afraid to ask.

In a recent Q/A, Nakaba stated that Mel's full power with OG Magic was nearing Mama Hawk's and no, I'm not joking.

 

[Gallon]

In a recent Q/A, Nakaba stated that Mel's full power with OG Magic was nearing Mama Hawk's and no, I'm not joking.

That one's meant to be taken seriously...? It just seemed like a joke to avoid answering Mel's PL.

 

[Shadowlord123]

That one's meant to be taken seriously...? It just seemed like a joke to avoid answering Mel's PL.

I mean, if you take into consideration the hype she recieved from the movie too, it could actually be true, but idk.

 

[Gallon]

I mean, if you take into consideration the hype she recieved from the movie too, it could actually be true, but idk.

She didn't seem to be anywhere near the level of a god to me. Derieri knocked her out, after all.

 

[Shadowlord123]

She didn't seem to be anywhere near the level of a god to me. Derieri knocked her out, after all.

Yeah, I get what you're saying. It was revealed during the movie that the green skin isn't actually her true skin and that her true skin is white if I remember correctly. Maybe that green skin is massively suppressing her power. Idk, with Nakaba you never know. We'll need to wait I guess.

 

[HereNThere]

Yeah, during the first DK fight, it was constantly pointing out that he was running on fumes and his magic had being heavily drained from using Chastiefol from a long distance.

We see later during the 2nd fight against a far stronger DK that both he and Ban were capable of keeping up with each other and the DK.

Had he had full strength back then, he and Ban would have stomped a hole in the DK possessed Mel.

Even in terms of composition, Nakaba has constantly juxtaposed these two with equal paneling during this last stretch.

 

[Peter16373]

Pretty good list..but i think U forgot Diane ..i would think she passes 100k during the dance which destroyed the entire lake area!....if u didn't put her on this list was because she was giving it her all and not a steady PL...you shouldn't put The One Ultimate either on this list..

Diane is one of the outliers and inconsistency I was talking about. According to King and Diane’s Sins Pair Guidebook Diane’s max power lvl with Drole’s dance is just 53.6k. She can only raise her strength lvl up to a maximum of 50k. The other 3.6k is from her magic and spirit. So yeah an official guidebook says she can only max out at 53.6k so her fighting characters that are over 200k without any indication of having gotten any stronger is clearly an outlier.

 

[Garfiel]

1-True magic Mel

2-DK and SD

3-The One Ultimate Escanor

4-Ban

5-King/Mael "dunno who is stronger between them"

6-Prime Elizabeth

7-Induras

8-Sinner

9-Ludo

10-Zeldris

 

[Aceinthehole]

Pretty good list..but i think U forgot Diane ..i would think she passes 100k during the dance which destroyed the entire lake area!....if u didn't put her on this list was because she was giving it her all and not a steady PL...you shouldn't put The One Ultimate either on this list..

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 24, 2019, Original Post Date: Nov 24, 2019 ---

for 6.
1)Agree
2)Escanor using physical attacks and king with kings..King can attack him and not reverse , i agree king can't defeat escanor but the reverse is also something i don't see..and that whole Dk par strength lasts for a mere minute..
3)Ban did better because he was fresh from purgatory, while King was at his limit after continuous multiple battles..
4)Mael one-shotting OG Demon was something king would've done if not for zel's interruption.King was beating zel from miles away and was even limited to using one spear at a time..(far from his 4spear power..)
5)I think his pollen garden surely can take zel's ON...it tanked 4 hits from Prime DK before it broke on 5th hit...and he can use multiple spear to attack him at that moment..

Just don't say he is overrated..lmao

well in the panel where zeldris used ominous nebula on everyone when they all gangedd up on him, king didn’t use pollen garden. Furthermore, I always viewed perfect cube, pollen garden, and sanctuary to be similar in durability more or less

However, in the first battle with zeldris, ludoshel and Merlin never used a shield of some sort when they were getting absorbed by ominous nebula. This makes me conclude that there is more than just hiding in a pollen garden/perfect cube/sanctuary to being able to withstand it.

king being able to one shot the sinner is something you assumed. What are you basing it out of? That Merlin said it was impressive magic? That the explosion was huge? There’s no solid evidence to prove that it would’ve one shotted the original demon other than it was impressive. And yes, zeldris intervened but only because he arrived in time to stop the attack. Am I suggesting it won’t deal damage? No, cuz I’m pretty sure it would deal some impressive damage. Would it one shot the sinner? Who knows, but there’s no proof it would either.

When the sinner fought mael, the dude pretty much got finessed as mael didn’t make the sun huge until the very end right when it was about to hit the sinner. So the sinner didn’t react fast enough to unleash full counter or zeldris wasn’t fast enough to stop the attack.

also I’ll like to add that when king arrived to fight zeldris close up, he didn’t seem to hold the upper hand in the fight. They seemed like they were in stalemate more or less


fine I’ll admit that maybe king might be on the same league as ban more or less

but I still stand by my opinion that some people are underestimating zeldris

 

[BurlapJack]

well in the panel where zeldris used ominous nebula on everyone when they all gangedd up on him, king didn’t use pollen garden. Furthermore, I always viewed perfect cube, pollen garden, and sanctuary to be similar in durability more or less

However, in the first battle with zeldris, ludoshel and Merlin never used a shield of some sort when they were getting absorbed by ominous nebula. This makes me conclude that there is more than just hiding in a pollen garden/perfect cube/sanctuary to being able to withstand it.

king being able to one shot the sinner is something you assumed. What are you basing it out of? That Merlin said it was impressive magic? That the explosion was huge? There’s no solid evidence to prove that it would’ve one shotted the original demon other than it was impressive. And yes, zeldris intervened but only because he arrived in time to stop the attack. Am I suggesting it won’t deal damage? No, cuz I’m pretty sure it would deal some impressive damage. Would it one shot the sinner? Who knows, but there’s no proof it would either.

When the sinner fought mael, the dude pretty much got finessed as mael didn’t make the sun huge until the very end right when it was about to hit the sinner. So the sinner didn’t react fast enough to unleash full counter or zeldris wasn’t fast enough to stop the attack.

also I’ll like to add that when king arrived to fight zeldris close up, he didn’t seem to hold the upper hand in the fight. They seemed like they were in stalemate more or less


fine I’ll admit that maybe king might be on the same league as ban more or less

but I still stand by my opinion that some people are underestimating zeldris

For real zeldris is slept on mad hard, but thank goodness it's only here

 

[Aurelius]

For real zeldris is slept on mad hard, but thank goodness it's only here

Zeldris would fuck up at least four of the sins(King, Merlin, Gowther, and Diane). He would one shot both Diane and Gowther. Man would I love to see him put Merlin in her place again and he has favorable matchup against King.

I think Ban would be a bad match up for him and we’ve seen Escanor at noon to be superior. Am Mel is above him as Zel said it himself, but I do wonder how Mel would stop Ominous Nebula, my guess would be that Mel’s darkness is superior and can suppress it.

 

[OtakuFreak]

Zeldris doesn't have the power of the Demon King anymore though? The saving grace he had was his magical immunity, countering ON's biggest weakness.

Without it, someone on the level of the Four Archangels can easily defeat him.

 

[BurlapJack]

Zeldris doesn't have the power of the Demon King anymore though? The saving grace he had was his magical immunity, countering ON's biggest weakness.

Without it, someone on the level of the Four Archangels can easily defeat him.

Nah you're buggin', there is no explicit mention of him losing god

And zeldris is Def not getting downed by an AA considering his multipliers

Zeldris with 60,000 x2 =120,000 with his half swirl demon mark (not 1st DM)

120,000 times the full "bullseye" looking demon mark was told to be 1.8x increase thanks to the brainiacs at vs battle wiki based off of Mel's zeldris gets the same treatment

So 120,000 times 1.8 gives him a modest 216,000k at full peak power...and that's assuming 60k is actually his power level which is debatable

 

[OtakuFreak]

Nah you're buggin' no explicit mention of him losing god

His father took it away when inside of Meliodas body though, we clearly saw the Demon King damage him.

And zeldris is Def not getting downed by an AA considering his multipliers

He got downed by Mael though? Only Sariel & Tarmiel would struggle against Zeldris, others would win quite easily.

 

[Aceinthehole]

His father took it away when inside of Meliodas body though, we clearly saw the Demon King damage him.



He got downed by Mael though? Only Sariel & Tarmiel would struggle against Zeldris, others would win quite easily.

How would ludoshel win? Zeldris clearly destroyed him in his human vessel, plus even if he was goddess body he has no resistance to ominous nebula. ludoshel flash spells won’t work since zeldris has god magic.

I don’t see ludoshel winning in any scenario unless zeldris is restricted to sword play and no ominous nebula.

ludoshel even admitted that his ominous nebula surpasses the speed of his grace flash. The one advantage ludoshel has over many characters is taken away against zeldris.

edit: I’m referring to god magic zeldris

 

[BurlapJack]

How would ludoshel win? Zeldris clearly destroyed him in his human vessel, plus even if he was goddess body he has no resistance to ominous nebula. ludoshel flash spells won’t work since zeldris has god magic.

I don’t see ludoshel winning in any scenario unless zeldris is restricted to sword play and no ominous nebula.

ludoshel even admitted that his ominous nebula surpasses the speed of his grace flash. The one advantage ludoshel has over many characters is taken away against zeldris.

edit: I’m referring to god magic zeldris

Zeldris stomps as his multys actually put him above AA range

 

[Aurelius]

Zeldris with 60,000 x2 =120,000 with his half swirl demon mark (not 1st DM)

120,000 times the full "bullseye" looking demon mark was told to be 1.8x increase thanks to the brainiacs at vs battle wiki based off of Mel's zeldris gets the same treatment

So 120,000 times 1.8 gives him a modest 216,000k at full peak power...and that's assuming 60k is actually his power level which is debatable

I respect Zel's skill, but you buggin with these numbers

 

[Aceinthehole]

Zeldris doesn't have the power of the Demon King anymore though? The saving grace he had was his magical immunity, countering ON's biggest weakness.

Without it, someone on the level of the Four Archangels can easily defeat him.

when you refer to who’s the strongest characters, it’s only normal to take a character at their strongest. I’m not including dk possessed zeldris becuz that wasn’t zeldris. Zeldris strongest form as himself is therefore him with god magic. But who knows what might happen in the upcoming chapters to him.

if you don’t include zeldris at his strongest, then it would only be fair to not include escanor life force or meliodas original power, since technically they or dead or don’t have the ability anymore.

therefore zeldris at his best shown would wreck

 

[OtakuFreak]

How would ludoshel win?

How would Ludoshel lose either? Zeldris will lose if he doesn't use ON and his win condition relies on Ludoshel getting pulled in, which was only possible because of his vessel being human.

Zeldris clearly destroyed him in his human vessel, plus even if he was goddess body he has no resistance to ominous nebula. ludoshel flash spells won’t work since zeldris has god magic.

Sure, as a human vessel where his power is restricted. But as a Goddess, Ludoshel would be capable of resisting ON, his sanctuary is more than enough to fend off against it.

Zeldris stomps as his multys actually put him above AA range

Those numbers are from your ass to be honest. You say that Zeldris would stomp an AA, yet we saw Mael defeat him with little difficulty?

For the other AA, Zeldris at best will achieve a draw. All of them have methods in avoiding ON's pull but are unable to actually harm Zeldris due to the magical immunity he was bestowed with from the Demon King.

It's a battle of stamina to be honest. If Zeldris runs out of magic to supply ON, he loses. Should the AA run out of magic to evade ON, they'll lose.

 

[Aceinthehole]

How would Ludoshel lose either? Zeldris will lose if he doesn't use ON and his win condition relies on Ludoshel getting pulled in, which was only possible because of his vessel being human.



Sure, as a human vessel where his power is restricted. But as a Goddess, Ludoshel would be capable of resisting ON, his sanctuary is more than enough to fend off against it.



Those numbers are from your ass to be honest. You say that Zeldris would stomp an AA, yet we saw Mael defeat him with little difficulty?

For the other AA, Zeldris at best will achieve a draw. All of them have methods in avoiding ON's pull but are unable to actually harm Zeldris due to the magical immunity he was bestowed with from the Demon King.

It's a battle of stamina to be honest. If Zeldris runs out of magic to supply ON, he loses. Should the AA run out of magic to evade ON, they'll lose.

Your statements about ludoshel are headcannon. Sure he is stronger in goddess body, but your argument is “he is stronger in goddess body therefore he will win against zeldris.” You are using headcannon to support that argument. If mael gets pulled in no way ludoshel EVEN in goddess body doesn’t get pulled in. Plus we saw ludoshel and everyone getting dragged in during the mael vs zeldris fight.

furthermore sanctuary resisting ominous nebula is not proven capable, as he never used it against him the first time. So no way of telling whether it would work against ominous nebula. But i feel like if sanctuary was such a counter to ominous nebula, then he would’ve used it against zeldris which he never. Same with Merlin using perfect cube.There were so many opportunities for characters to hide in their “perfect” shield when facing zeldris, yet none of them ever did. I wonder if this was coincidence or there’s something more to resisting ominous nebula than just using a shield.

I don't see how all the archangels have a method of escaping ominious nebula while engaging zeldris in combat. The only person who was shown the ability to resist it is mael. Only because of the heat emanating from his body which destroyed the sword. But if the archangels choose to not engage zeldris in combat, then he can just turn off the ability. You act as if he will keep using the ability 24/7 while the archangels are avoiding him lol. Furthermore none of their magic would work against him.

I think you are overestimating ludoshel and archangels in general at this point