Discussion Who will get Ace's Mera Mera no Mi (Fire) Devil Fruit?

[Renaan]

Luffy will never eat the fruit, "eating" two kills you.

How many times does this need to be told to us before people accept it?

 

[Azuma]

Luffy will never eat the fruit, "eating" two kills you.

How many times does this need to be told to us before people accept it?

I guess it's because it's mainly been said that it's a rumor. However, if it wasn't true, then I find it strange that nobody would think of experimenting to find out the truth behind the claims. It's not too difficult either, you simply have to force someone to eat two DFs and see what happens.

 

[THM Nindo]

Luffy will never eat the fruit, "eating" two kills you.

How many times does this need to be told to us before people accept it?

Here's my prediction right now:

Someone else will be about to eat it, and Luffy will rush towards him and eat the Fruit right before him.
He's reckless and stupid, so I wouldn't put it passed him to eat the fruit (even if he thinks it might kill him) just to prevent someone else to have it.
It's totally Luffy-like to do something like that!

And then, we would realized that he can survive with 2 DF, probably because he has a "strange body" like BB.

 

[Kaiten]

Nah, probably not. Luffy will win the tournament, be brought before Doflamingo, and tempted with the fruit. At some point he will probably have to choose between the mera mera no mi and his crew (including Law). He will choose his crew, at the expense of the fruit, reaffirming that the past is in the past. The fruit will seemingly slip beyond Luffy's grasp forever, only to be recovered at the end of the arc, after he defeats Doflamingo.

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Luffy will never eat the fruit, "eating" two kills you.

How many times does this need to be told to us before people accept it?

The Strawhats kidnapped a scientist who knows how to implant devil fruit in poison gas, and can create the active ingredient in artificial devil fruit. They are currently looking for the factory where those artificial fruit are manufactured. If Caesar has the knowledge to implant devil fruit in inanimate objects, and manufacture artificial devil fruit, the possibility exists that he can implant a second DF ability. The one DF per person rule already has been bypassed once. Under the right conditions it could be bypassed again. These are the right conditions. The possibility does exist. Luffy's chief rival has two abilities, there is nothing wrong with Luffy gaining a second of his own.

 

[takneeque]

i agree.luffy will only get the fruit after he defeats DD.in my mind,he will not eat it.the chapter showed that he had no interest in eating it(or he can't eat it).also,when he says he can't eat it,he wouldn't suddenly try to eat it.he even asked franky to have it.if and when luffy gets the fruit,i am inclined towards a crewmate having it.mera-mera powers becoming a regular feature of SH's shall be awesome.i don't see any current member eating it though.usopp,nami won't suit for fire logia(it is so intangible,very flexible).zoro is interested in fire only because kinemon could cut it.sanji is already fired up.his being an excellent swimmer works against him though.franky said no.maybe,a new nakama.
some one also said about luffy just keeping it with him till he finds some one he trusts and willing to eat it.that could be possible.for fight against kaido they would need more power.if and when they find a new nakama before that,he could eat the mera-mera no mi.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

I kinda see Momonosuke eating it. (spoken srsly) Not only would it prove the theory with artifical devilfruit + normal devilfruit = win. No he would become a flamingdragon + his father can cut fire so he would be still superior and would have the perfect ability to annoy his son.

I dont think its totally random that we got a swordman who can cut fire and then there appears ace fruit.

 

[Kaiten]

i agree.luffy will only get the fruit after he defeats DD.in my mind,he will not eat it.the chapter showed that he had no interest in eating it(or he can't eat it).also,when he says he can't eat it,he wouldn't suddenly try to eat it.he even asked franky to have it.if and when luffy gets the fruit,i am inclined towards a crewmate having it.mera-mera powers becoming a regular feature of SH's shall be awesome.i don't see any current member eating it though.usopp,nami won't suit for fire logia(it is so intangible,very flexible).zoro is interested in fire only because kinemon could cut it.sanji is already fired up.his being an excellent swimmer works against him though.franky said no.maybe,a new nakama.
some one also said about luffy just keeping it with him till he finds some one he trusts and willing to eat it.that could be possible.for fight against kaido they would need more power.if and when they find a new nakama before that,he could eat the mera-mera no mi.

All it proved was that Luffy does not think he can eat it. Doflamingo might have something very, very different to say once Luffy actually completes the tournament. One of Luffy's crew members has already turned the fruit down. I can not imagine any of the others accepting it.

I kinda see Momonosuke eating it. (spoken srsly) Not only would it prove the theory with artifical devilfruit + normal devilfruit = win. No he would become a flamingdragon + his father can cut fire so he would be still superior and would have the perfect ability to annoy his son.

I dont think its totally random that we got a swordman who can cut fire and then there appears ace fruit.

Doubt it. An eight year old boy is not getting the mera mera no mi. Oda is not making another exception (artificial devil fruit don't count ) for a child, and not even a permanent member of the cast. There's more of a chance that nobody gets it, that Luffy plants the thing somewhere, as his own memorial to his brother.

 

[Renaan]

As far as eating two fruits, when it's brought up it's stated as fact. This means someone has tried it, probably more than 1 person and they died.

It's even explained by Goverment personnel so this means that Vegapunk knows it and tried it or at least knows people/experiments of it.

Of course this is all about "eating" the fruit, we have no clue what Blackbeard did under that tarp he threw over Whitebeard to get his ability from him.

 

[EddyBob15]

Since Luffy has made it obvious he's okay with a member of the crew eating it, I'm betting on a new member of the Straw Hats getting it.

 

[MBVC]

I suspect that BB used his unique logica abilities to obtain WB's df power. What Marco said about BB's unique body is completely crap because he didn't about the special effect of the dark logica so he made stupid guess after all. I really doubt Marco knew anything about BB because BB had lied about his strength entire time before he killed the 4th commander.

"Thought that she was the one for me,
Til I found out she was on her creep"

That's how Sanji gets stabbed in the heart by a woman or women and Luffy has to force the mera mera down his throat in order to save the unlucky poor bastard!

 

[Kaiten]

I'm not sure to understand that last phrase. Is that in case Luffy ate the 2 fruits ? Because for the moment he is rubber. Also a fire logia doesn't really need rubber ability. I don't even know how they would work together.
And why are you against another strawhat eating the fruit but fine with Luffy eating it. That's not really logical to me especially when the latter would need an asspul explanation from the author.

Responding here since chapter discussion has moved on to different sub-topics.

The initial comment was that fire would melt rubber. Luffy has a paramecia ability. Luffy does not necessarily have to literally become rubber the same way Ace turned into fire, or CC turned into gas. He can stretch like rubber, but is not made out of rubber. As a paramecia, his ability should work more like Whitebeard's, Mr. 3's, or Magellan's than Smoker or Crocodile. Mr. 3 could create wax, he was not made of wax. Magellan could secrete poison from his skin, but was not made out of poison.

When Luffy punches people, his fists would be on fire. He could gradually develop a new fighting style incorporating fire into his ability to stretch and snap like rubber. Pretty simple. Not that they have to complement each other. Earthquakes and darkness don't complement each other, yet those are Blackbeard's two abilities.

I am not opposed to any of the Strawhats gaining the mera mera no mi. If that's what happens I am not going to complain. But I feel that there is no meaning in any of them gaining Ace's ability other than as a generic, shounen power up. For Luffy, there would be actual meaning. It would symbolize the bond between brothers, and Luffy inheriting Ace's will. Oda generally tailors abilities to the personality, or profession, of characters. Law is a surgeon, so he has the ope ope no mi. Blackbeard has the power to destroy (gura gura no mi) and absorb (yami yami no mi) everything, an apt description of his role in the story so far. If Luffy acquired the mera mera no mi it would describe his character very well, a burning passion tempered by flexibility. My prediction is based on making more out of the mera mera no mi than a mere power up. I can't say it will, and won't complain if it won't, but that is what I hope for.

Given the circumstances, Luffy gaining a second power would not be an "asspull". Caesar is an established devil fruit expert, while their final destination is a factory that produces artifiical devil fruit. If Caesar can convincingly implant a devil fruit into a cloud of gas, why can't he give a second devil fruit to a human? That is as convincing as Blackbeard having "something different about his body". It also would allow two devil fruit to remain an exception.

 

[MiyamotoMusashi]

Responding here since chapter discussion has moved on to different sub-topics.

The initial comment was that fire would melt rubber. Luffy has a paramecia ability. Luffy does not necessarily have to literally become rubber the same way Ace turned into fire, or CC turned into gas. He can stretch like rubber, but is not made out of rubber. As a paramecia, his ability should work more like Whitebeard's, Mr. 3's, or Magellan's than Smoker or Crocodile. Mr. 3 could create wax, he was not made of wax. Magellan could secrete poison from his skin, but was not made out of poison.

This is debatable. Leaving the matter of Luffy eating or even being able to eat the Mera Mera aside, since i think the fire melting the rubber would be no problem, if Oda wants Luffy to eat it he would find a way, i think the comparison between Luffy´s Paramecia and the other examples you gave, does not stick. We have essentially 3 sub-categories for the Paramecia fruit, namely fruits that change your body irreversibly in a certain way (Luffy´s body and his organs turn into rubber, Mr1 turns into a blade, Capone Bege into a fortress and so forth), fruits that give you an ability to affect your environment with the fruit´s ability (WB´s Gura Gura, Hancock´s Mero Mero, Law´s Ope Ope and so forth) and somewhat a combination of the other two, namely a fruit that gives you the ability to create substances while changing your body slightly (Magellan´s Doku Doku, he can create different kind of poisons while his body is completely immune to it which even enables him to eat it or Mr3´s Doru Doru which enables him to create wax while heat for examples effects him in the some way it would effect the way itself).
Luffy´s exterior body and his organs turning into rubber pretty much enables him to use the Gear2 technique. Now you could say of course that Luffy may have the properties of rubber while not turning into it itself but this has been disproved by chapter 693 for example, among other chapters, in which Baby5 actually turns into the components of a weapon and turns back. I repeat myself though, Luffy being rubber would probably not be a problem.

While i agree that Luffy inheriting Ace´s fire, so to speak, would have a tremendous, symbolic value, i am still a bit skeptical about your last point. The method of implementing a fruit into an object, whether it is a sword or gas, has been known for at least 2 years while Vegapunk is known as the scientist who has developed the method, at least officially (i think seeing CC´s flashback and his jealousy of Vegapunk supports this fact). Why didn´t the WG use this method to grow an army of incredibly strong fighters if it were possible to let a human eat 2 fruits? Furthermore, under the assumption that Vegapunk actually can let a human "eat" 2 fruits, wouldn´t that kind of diminish BB´s status as the only one to eat it which in turn would decrease his value as Luffy´s last opponent before One Piece? It certainly would for me.

 

[Kaiten]

This is debatable. Leaving the matter of Luffy eating or even being able to eat the Mera Mera aside, since i think the fire melting the rubber would be no problem, if Oda wants Luffy to eat it he would find a way, i think the comparison between Luffy´s Paramecia and the other examples you gave, does not stick. We have essentially 3 sub-categories for the Paramecia fruit, namely fruits that change your body irreversibly in a certain way (Luffy´s body and his organs turn into rubber, Mr1 turns into a blade, Capone Bege into a fortress and so forth), fruits that give you an ability to affect your environment with the fruit´s ability (WB´s Gura Gura, Hancock´s Mero Mero, Law´s Ope Ope and so forth) and somewhat a combination of the other two, namely a fruit that gives you the ability to create substances while changing your body slightly (Magellan´s Doku Doku, he can create different kind of poisons while his body is completely immune to it which even enables him to eat it or Mr3´s Doru Doru which enables him to create wax while heat for examples effects him in the some way it would effect the way itself).
Luffy´s exterior body and his organs turning into rubber pretty much enables him to use the Gear2 technique. Now you could say of course that Luffy may have the properties of rubber while not turning into it itself but this has been disproved by chapter 693 for example, among other chapters, in which Baby5 actually turns into the components of a weapon and turns back. I repeat myself though, Luffy being rubber would probably not be a problem.

Where is the line then between logia and paramecia? If Luffy becomes rubber, rather than flesh and blood, wouldn't that be a more logia like property. If he's flesh and blood, but with the properties of rubber (stretchy, bendy, insulation against electricity), the gomu gomu no mi would make more sense as a paramecia. The same goes for Daz Bones. Does his body turn into steel (like Ace became fire), or become like steel? He could still be flesh and blood, hardened by his ability, and shaped into a sword. It's really all a matter of semantics, and probably doesn't matter. If Luffy gets the mera mera no mi I doubt burning will be an issue. Flesh burns as readily as rubber, but Ace never had a problem.

While i agree that Luffy inheriting Ace´s fire, so to speak, would have a tremendous, symbolic value, i am still a bit skeptical about your last point. The method of implementing a fruit into an object, whether it is a sword or gas, has been known for at least 2 years while Vegapunk is known as the scientist who has developed the method, at least officially (i think seeing CC´s flashback and his jealousy of Vegapunk supports this fact). Why didn´t the WG use this method to grow an army of incredibly strong fighters if it were possible to let a human eat 2 fruits? Furthermore, under the assumption that Vegapunk actually can let a human "eat" 2 fruits, wouldn´t that kind of diminish BB´s status as the only one to eat it which in turn would decrease his value as Luffy´s last opponent before One Piece? It certainly would for me.

It still allows Luffy to acquire a second ability within the mechanics of the One Piece world, and within the context of the current arc. Why it hasn't been done for anyone else is something that can convincingly be explained away, without to much plot distortion. The simple explanation may be that Vegapunk never succeeded in implanting a second devil fruit, but Caesar is able to succeed with Luffy. Vegapunk's artificial devil fruit seems to have been deemed a failure, possibly explaining why Momo transforms to a dragon and back at random. Caesar though has successfully produced artificial devil fruit, as the only man in the world who can manufacture SAD. Caesar could succeed where Vegapunk failed, explaining why the government does not have a squad of fighters with two abilities.

 

[MiyamotoMusashi]

Where is the line then between logia and paramecia? If Luffy becomes rubber, rather than flesh and blood, wouldn't that be a more logia like property. If he's flesh and blood, but with the properties of rubber (stretchy, bendy, insulation against electricity), the gomu gomu no mi would make more sense as a paramecia. The same goes for Daz Bones. Does his body turn into steel (like Ace became fire), or become like steel? He could still be flesh and blood, hardened by his ability, and shaped into a sword. It's really all a matter of semantics, and probably doesn't matter. If Luffy gets the mera mera no mi I doubt burning will be an issue. Flesh burns as readily as rubber, but Ace never had a problem.

The line between Paramecia and Logia is that the latter can both turn and produce a certain element while the the former only concentrates on one aspect that also that does not imply elements but like i said, it would probably not matter anyway. To your second point, it would explain it i guess but, without being objective at all, it would not be sufficient, at least for me.

 

[Kaiten]

The line between Paramecia and Logia is that the latter can both turn and produce a certain element while the the former only concentrates on one aspect that also that does not imply elements but like i said, it would probably not matter anyway. To your second point, it would explain it i guess but, without being objective at all, it would not be sufficient, at least for me.

Being the first person to have a second ability implanted by the only scientist capable of the procedure would be good explanation. We know Caesar has succeeded where Vegapunk failed, creating giants and artificial devil fruit. It wouldn't be a huge stretch if he also was able to succeed in giving Luffy a second ability, despite Vegapunk's past failures. It would, in many ways, be a more sufficient explanation than Teach having some sort of physical abnormality.

 

[Quantized]

An aspect I've been thinking about is whether eating two devil fruits and thereby dying only has been tested on weak humans or limited testing in general.
It could indeed require that the person has a varity of certain unique features to their body in order to sustain two devil fruits.
This could be just as rare as someone having King's Haki, for example, 1 out of a million (forgot the exact number, but it's rare either way).

Perhaps it requires the King's Haki in the first place to sustain two devil fruits, and something else.
Additionally or even alternatively perhaps only certain types of devil fruits can be eaten together.

Some sort of limit could for example be:

• You can't have two same type of DF's, for example two Logia's is a no go, limiting it to eating 3 DF's in this creteria alone.
• You need a strong body (Luffy's quite flexible).
• You need King's Haki to sustain the pressure or whatever causes the death in normal people.
• It reduces ones health and thereby how long one is living. Luffy's gear techniques has alrady been warned to cause Luffy an early death or bad body.
• Requires that the person eating a second devil fruit has already a high level of control over his or her devil fruit, in order to be able to control two fruits mixed in the body at the same time, thereby avoiding daeth from loose of control of having two devil fruits in the mix.
• No one strong was ever daring enough to try it, it was only tested on weak human beings, animals or items, and never on someone strong.
• Because of the fruits sheer insane value alone few has been doing tests on two devil fruits.

If taking all these points into consideration from above, then I'm not surprised if Blackbeard would be the first ever to sustain two devil fruits, assuming they hold true.
For one being strong and crazy enough with the right kind of body and King's Haki (King's haki alone is already insanely rare), it would be rare enough for no one to discover the possibility of two devil fruits until now.

Having all this in mind, I don't think it's farfetched for Luffy to get the Mera Mera no Mi, devil fruit.
Blackbeard being the first in history could lead the way for a very few people being able to have two devil fruits, but only a very few, especially if it requires King's Haki as one of the more requirements which on its own already is super rare.

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Being the first person to have a second ability implanted by the only scientist capable of the procedure would be good explanation. We know Caesar has succeeded where Vegapunk failed, creating giants and artificial devil fruit. It wouldn't be a huge stretch if he also was able to succeed in giving Luffy a second ability, despite Vegapunk's past failures. It would, in many ways, be a more sufficient explanation than Teach having some sort of physical abnormality.

Not to be rude or anything, just asking, but wasn't it Vegapunk who originally created the artifical devil fruits and Ceaser did rip off copy this method?
Also it was Vegapunk who discovered the path to make giants, but he abandoned the project out of moral issues?
It's just that to me that it seems like Vegapunk is superior than Ceasar, even in Ceasers own areas of top research, which of all were shown to be continuings of where Vegapunk either stopped for some "other reason" rather than being incable of continueing.

Heck the world government might even have artificial devil fruits as well, after all, we were only told that Vegapunk did stop his reseach on giants, not that he did stop on devil fruits, as far as I remember either way.

 

[A c e]

I think luffys ability will allow him to consume 2 devil fruits. Maybe the mera mera fruit was re-introduced for this very reason o.O

And a bit off topic, but why are people referring to one piece characters as spongebob characters? Lol

 

[Schabrak]

You are doing so yourself. Tip: Look at your calender.

And which ability are you talking about, his devil fruits?

 

[A c e]

Lucy's gum gum. I'm think since he's rubber, that maybe his body would somehow handle 2 devil fruits o.O

 

[MBVC]

If you use this kind of reason then Eneru can eat multiple df as well because his lightning body doesn't explode either if he's eating df while he's in the lightning form right?