Predictions Worst Generation Post Wano Arc

[molecularpepsi]

After reading this week’s spoilers, the thing that struck me the most is Kid’s reaction to Jinbei declaring himself as a StrawHat crew member.

It seems to me that both Kid and Law are lagging way behind Luffy in terms of the quality of crew members they have. And all 3 of their crews are comically weaker than all the current Yonkou crews, especially if you compare them to Shanks and Black beard who have crews full of monsters.

So I think that after this arc, the worst generation landscape will drastically change. With some crews absorbing others and at least the big three receiving major upgrades.

If Kaido is defeated and Wano opens its borders then I predict that many samurais will leave, and potentially join other pirate crew much like Oden.

Also, I predict something will happen with Zunisha and all of the Minks will either relocate to Wano or join other pirate crews.

If Kaido and BigMom are indeed defeated in this arc, then their underlings, including the supernova will probably look for other crews to join or make their own new crews.

With that being said, here are My predictions:

-The Kid Pirates: in need of some serious additions to keep up with straw hats, if they want to seriously act as rivals, so some bold additions required:
1-Ashura Doji, of all the samurai we’ve met so far he, in my opinion, would best fit the Kid crew. As he was previously an outlaw and criminal, and seems to be less hesitant to kill.
2-Pekoms, why not? Might be the only mink that would be willing to join this crew, and I think they should get at least one mink.
3-Basil Hawkins, this is a controversial one, but if kid showcases the gap in power between him and Basil by helping defeat a Yonkou, then Basil’s cards might push him to join. Also his aesthetic would fit well with the other members in the crew. Also gives them a monster trio that may rival the mugiwaras.

The Heart Pirates:
1-Kawamatsu or Kiku, these two seem like good fits that might be willing to follow Law.
2-X-Drake, this is another controversial one, but if he assists in defeating Kaido, he will not want to blow his cover, so joining Law might be a good option for him. Also, gives them a significant boost in power.

The Straw hats:
1-Momo joins as an apprentice. Someone else, potentially Hiyori, becomes the new Shogun.
2-carrot also joins as an apprentice, as I don’t think the straw hats need any big additions after Jinbei. But she could be a look out too.

what do you all think? What are your predictions? Do you think any of the Yonkou commanders could potentially join another crew if their captains are killed? What about the shichibukai?

Discuss.

 

[thedude]

I can see carrot joining, but she's already fought, and she's not much younger, so she'd be a full member. Maybe she'd fight alongside one of the weaker humans like Nami? I don't think the Strawhats will add anyone else after that, everyone will just be part of the Grand Fleet or whatever it's called. With just adding Jinbe, I like the crew a lot, but adding someone from Wano and someone from Zou does make some sense? Wouldn't be Momo though, he is far too young and weak, it would be criminal. He's got to stay to "rule" Wano when this is done.

I'm not sure any Wano people join the crews, but I could see Ashura doing so like you said, he's always been a rogue, why not? He'd be a great addition for anyone given how strong he is.

 

[jaymizzo]

I agree @thedude doubt anyone from the Scabbard mainly will join any crews. I think they will stay by the Shoguns side and protect Wano/train up the next generation of guardians. Wano's military really needs to be worked on after the borders are open.

xDrake will most likely continue his mission but act as an ally to both the SHs and Heart pirates. Kidd will have to recruit a samurai from Wano outside the Scabbards.

Carrot is essentially a member right now IMO. All they need is the party for both Jinbei and Carrot.

 

[thedude]

I just like the fact that they have humans, a fishman, an actual animal on their team. Adding a Mink in Carrot would round it out. That doesn't even include their cyborg and skeleton lol.

 

[HereNThere]

Yeah, Carrot's as good as a Strawhat as far as I'm concerned. Hell, I'm low key annoyed she isn't in the Strawhat section in Pirate Warriors 4. As for her role, she's probably going to be the scout/look out. At the very least, she could just be a straight up combatant since she's a competent fighter.

As for the rest of the Supernova, I think it'd be cool if some got some stragglers from Kaido or Big Mom, but I doubt it. I don't think either crew is going to lose any major players from their side. Even if one of them falls in this arc, I think they're still going to be relevant enough for their crew to still stand by them.

That being said, if there is any Scabbard to join someone's crew, it'd be Kanjuro. He'll probably get defeated in this arc, but his strength is rather useful, so I can see someone scooping him up after Orochi falls and whisking him away before he gets punished by Wano. I think Apoo would be the one to take him in too.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

2-X-Drake, this is another controversial one, but if he assists in defeating Kaido, he will not want to blow his cover, so joining Law might be a good option for him. Also, gives them a significant boost in power.

Wasnt his past also linked with Law's? Like didnt his father died to Doffy?

 

[molecularpepsi]

Wasnt his past also linked with Law's? Like didnt his father died to Doffy?

You’re right, Doffy did kill Drake’s dad! Now I’m liking this idea even more!

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Wouldn't be Momo though, he is far too young and weak, it would be criminal. He's got to stay to "rule" Wano when this is done.

I don’t know, I think Momo is way too young and weak to become the shogun. And it’s been hinted by Kaido and others that Momo is just following what other people have told him to do.
I really like the idea of Hiyori becoming shogun and Momo following in his father’s footsteps to sail with the future king of the pirates. Hopefully his DF ability will make him somewhat competent.
Also, the Roger and Whitebeard pirates all had very young apprentices and I feel like that’s what the straw hats need to mirror those crews.
If you think about it Momo would learn how to fight from Zoro, learn how to read and decipher poneglyphs from Robin (a skill his dad had), and see the world just like his dad.

The more I think about it, the more I do agree that carrot would more likely be a full fledged crew member rather than an apprentice.

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That being said, if there is any Scabbard to join someone's crew, it'd be Kanjuro. He'll probably get defeated in this arc, but his strength is rather useful, so I can see someone scooping him up after Orochi falls and whisking him away before he gets punished by Wano. I think Apoo would be the one to take him in too.

I like this idea, but I have a feeling that Kid will go out of his way to kill Apoo after his betrayal. But I would love to see Kanjoru join the Kid pirates instead!

 

[M3J]

I don't want Carrot to join, tbh, not Luffy's crew anyway. Wouldn't mind Kinemon joining though, his devil fruit ability could be useful if there's ever a mission that the Straw Hats need to do that requires them not being detected.

 

[Luke Beifong]

In my opinion, Momo is the perfect apprentice the SH can have, he can learn a lot with all of them. He can learn leadership with Luffy, train with Zoro, learn how to navigate with Nami, read and write in Poneglyphs with Robin, been a craftsman with Franky (I think Franky can teach him in this), been a pervert with Sanji and Brook and most importantly, he can play a lot with Chooper and Usopp.

 

[woefdram]

I don't consider Carrot a member as I find her relationship/interactions with Luffy very minimal and there has been little to no character development. Robin was in a similar position before Water 7, but then had an amazing arc and also plays a pivotal role in the overall story.

Jinbe has been affiliated with Luffy since Impel Down and then grew to become part of the crew at FI. He broke through taboo and donated his blood to save Luffy and stood up to BM to join the crew.

Carrot turned into a were-rabbit for one chapter and hangs out with Chopper for most of the time (speaking of someone in desperate need for more character development).

My strong belief in Bon-chan coming back and joining the crew is still very much based on his strong bond with Luffy and his wilingness to sacrifice himelf.

I think you (molecularpepsi) are right in saying that the worst generation is falling behind, but I'm not sure their crews will grow/need to grow in the rest of the story. The unlikely alliance of these three captains was foreshadowed at Sabaody and has now finally come together. Rather than them growing stronger I can imagine they will just appear as support at the final battle with more or less the same crews they have now.

Maybe there will be closer alliances after Wano. Hawkins seems reluctant to blindly follow Kaido (I always though he looks more scared of Kaido), so maybe with Kaido defeated he'll join forces again with Kidd.

 

[molecularpepsi]

I don't want Carrot to join, tbh, not Luffy's crew anyway. Wouldn't mind Kinemon joining though, his devil fruit ability could be useful if there's ever a mission that the Straw Hats need to do that requires them not being detected.

Although I do agree that Kinemon’s DF is incredibly useful, he is married, so I don’t see him leaving his wife yet again after the 20 year disappearance.

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In my opinion, Momo is the perfect apprentice the SH can have, he can learn a lot with all of them. He can learn leadership with Luffy, train with Zoro, learn how to navigate with Nami, read and write in Poneglyphs with Robin, been a craftsman with Franky (I think Franky can teach him in this), been a pervert with Sanji and Brook and most importantly, he can play a lot with Chooper and Usopp.

Well said, I couldn’t agree more.

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My strong belief in Bon-chan coming back and joining the crew is still very much based on his strong bond with Luffy and his wilingness to sacrifice himelf.

I really like this idea, Bon-Chan definitely has a stronger bond with Luffy and the others. I’m not sure if I would want another former Baroque works agent joining the crew.

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I think you (molecularpepsi) are right in saying that the worst generation is falling behind, but I'm not sure their crews will grow/need to grow in the rest of the story. The unlikely alliance of these three captains was foreshadowed at Sabaody and has now finally come together. Rather than them growing stronger I can imagine they will just appear as support at the final battle with more or less the same crews they have now.

Maybe there will be closer alliances after Wano. Hawkins seems reluctant to blindly follow Kaido (I always though he looks more scared of Kaido), so maybe with Kaido defeated he'll join forces again with Kidd.

I agree with most of this, except Kid seems to be built up a true rival to Luffy. Kaido states that Luffy reminded him of Kid as they both displayed emperor’s Haki, and Kid has openly declared to wanting to be the pirate king just like Luffy.
I’m predicting that his interaction with Luffy in this arc will make him realize that there is a huge gap between their crews’ and that he needs to start recruiting some heavy hitters if he want to stand a chance to compete with the straw hats.
I’m not sure if Oda is setting him up to have a Whitbeard-Roger rivalry/friendship with Luffy or a Shiki-Roger rivalry.
For that manner I have no idea how Law fits in this equation. As he has, to my knowledge, never declared to want to be the pirate king, nor has it ever been suggested that he has Emperors Haki, yet he is always portrayed as a peer and rival to Kid and Luffy. Although he is a “D” with a broken DF ability.

 

[woefdram]

I think it'll be a bit of both. Luffy and Kidd have been set up as rivals ages ago, but I don't think the series will really flesh this out like a proper goku-vegeta rivalry as its a bit late in the story to set up that relationship and build up their growth together.

So yes, Kidd will realise he needs to catch up and grow his crew's strength, but I don't think it'll be an integral part of the story and will happen mostly off-panel.

Maybe Bellamy will join him in a cover story?

 

[Silvers Horse]

Even before jinbei return to the strawhats i think they were and will always be stronger than the others from the worst generation (except BB). But I think that kid and crew will gather stronger members and rise in power and become yonkou strong in the end of the series. I think gecko moriah will join him in wano. He fits the kids pirate theme, he's former shichibukai like jinbei and would boost the ranks a lot right now imo. Perhabs also some of the flying six might join him too.

Law is very tricky. He could become yonkou strong at the end, but he need a major power boost himself, and his crew does too. He is written to compete with kid and luffy in this chapter though and he is a "D". Maybe Hawkings will join him after wano.

Hawkings and Bege needs to join other crews to be relevant after wano imo.

X-drake is gonna go marine again at some point and will become an admiral with coby in the future.

Bonney is joining the RA.

Apoo is going down fighting for Kaidos side.

Uruge is a mystery right now.

I do not see any of Kaidos calamities joining any crew. They are too evil to fit any crew from here on out (except maybe BB) and they will prob go to jail after wano.

 

[thedude]

Even before jinbei return to the strawhats i think they were and will always be stronger than the others from the worst generation (except BB). But I think that kid and crew will gather stronger members and rise in power and become yonkou strong in the end of the series. I think gecko moriah will join him in wano. He fits the kids pirate theme, he's former shichibukai like jinbei and would boost the ranks a lot right now imo. Perhabs also some of the flying six might join him too.

Law is very tricky. He could become yonkou strong at the end, but he need a major power boost himself, and his crew does too. He is written to compete with kid and luffy in this chapter though and he is a "D". Maybe Hawkings will join him after wano.

Hawkings and Bege needs to join other crews to be relevant after wano imo.

X-drake is gonna go marine again at some point and will become an admiral with coby in the future.

Bonney is joining the RA.

Apoo is going down fighting for Kaidos side.

Uruge is a mystery right now.

I do not see any of Kaidos calamities joining any crew. They are too evil to fit any crew from here on out (except maybe BB) and they will prob go to jail after wano.

Uruge would fit with Law I think. Not sure why I think it...but the monk joining the doctor fits for me.

 

[TommyBoy]

I can't see any of the samurai joining other crew, they're role to protect mono and hiyori would be pointless if they lefted to do there own thing. Maybe if mono joined the straw hats one of them could but I can't see them leaving wano. The supernovas are suppose to be rivals so joining others crews kinda defeats the purpose.

If the beast pirates fall along with big moms pirates, I can also see members switching crews. The kids pirates would gain the most out of kaidos fall I think. Smile users would be welcomed in cause of what happened with killer and would make an interesting foot soldiers for kidd to have. The flying six and numbers would also likely join but I can't see all of them doing so. I also think It would be cool to see kidd take onigashima as his new territory

Heart pirates could take some of big mom pirates as members but I personally think it would be cool to have the minks join up with them. People like carrot and pekoms along with members of the nox pirates from whole cake leaving and joining up, maybe even wanda as well.

 

[jaymizzo]

I can't see any of the samurai joining other crew, they're role to protect mono and hiyori would be pointless if they lefted to do there own thing. Maybe if mono joined the straw hats one of them could but I can't see them leaving wano. The supernovas are suppose to be rivals so joining others crews kinda defeats the purpose.

If the beast pirates fall along with big moms pirates, I can also see members switching crews. The kids pirates would gain the most out of kaidos fall I think. Smile users would be welcomed in cause of what happened with killer and would make an interesting foot soldiers for kidd to have. The flying six and numbers would also likely join but I can't see all of them doing so. I also think It would be cool to see kidd take onigashima as his new territory

Heart pirates could take some of big mom pirates as members but I personally think it would be cool to have the minks join up with them. People like carrot and pekoms along with members of the nox pirates from whole cake leaving and joining up, maybe even wanda as well.

You are right in that the beast pirates would fit quite well with the Kidd pirates, the swordsman and fishman especially. I don't think Kidd would be able to take Onigashima though, seeing as Wano is basically going to fly the SHP flag like Fishman Island, Dressrosa, probably Alabastra and wherever else the SHs have been and liberated.

I think the worst gen will lose some members as they go on, Bege could have his pirate life put on hold as he has a family now, Bonney could join the RA as someone mentioned, Drake could go back to the marines, Apoo is definitely getting arrested and doubt anyone would take a traitor into their crew, Urouge and Hawkins are difficult. They are too far behind the SHs right now to be relevant as a whole. The last few could just be the last ones standing from the worst gen. Law and Kidd really need to beef up their crews. You put their crews against SHs (minus the captains) and Kidd and Laws crews would get wrecked.

Id hope Kidd gets - 2 F6 members, 1 Samurai (outside the scabbards) and a mink
Not sure who could fit Laws crew in Wano right now, he seems to be too chilled for anyone in the beast pirates off the top of my head.

Bounties post wano (im assuming BB will do something to earn a bounty increase)
Luffy - 2.65B
Kidd - 1.7B
Law - 1.66B
Zoro - 1.32B

 

[McNuss]

We are nearing the end now. All of the other WG crews aside from the Blackbeard's can't compete with the Strawhats, and were never supposed to be.

This arc is the outro for Kid, Killer, Drake, Apoo, Hawkins and most likely Law. They won't play any prominent role afterwards, that's too much even if you discard the ridiculous 5-year prediction.

Just look at how many characters are left there that will still need closure after Wano:

1. The Blackbeard Pirates
2. The Red Hair Pirates
3. The Revolutionary Army
4. The Admirals including the unknown Green Bull
5. Weevil
6. Mihawk
7. Buggy
8. Hancock
9. Bonney
10. Urouge
11. Vegapunk
12. Koby
13. Smoker and Tashigi
14. Crocodile
15. The Gorosei, Celestial Dragons and Im
16. Elbaf (yes, there will be Elbaf, Oda loves Vikings and there would be no reason to keep the island's sillhouette shrouded if it is not going to be revealed)
17. Straw Hat Grand Fleet

And probably more that I just forgot about. We all shouldn't pretend that One Piece is lasting forvever, Oda is closing things up. There hardly is much space for elaborate sidestories around characters that just won't be it anyways.

Law is set up as an ally, Drake isn't even a Pirate, and Apoo, Hawkins and especially Kid were set up up to fail from the start. Like Kid can believe he is going to be the Pirate King all he likes, he just won't be it, and with Luffy going for Yonkos now there is zero reason to keep Kid up as an equal rival.

All the Supernova in Wano will likely be greatly reduced in their plot importance after this arc.

 

[Holt]

BB is such a huge scavenger and I'm somewhat hoping for once he's off the scene completely.

RE Kidd and Law, indeed they're miles behind, both in crew quality and Captain strength compared to the StrawHats. I'm not really sure the heart pirates need to keep up per say. The dynamic is actually between the captains (specifically Luffy-Kidd-Law) and not necessarily their crews. Even if they beef up their crews, it wouldn't exactly make them as dangerous as Luffy. Probably also need to consider the purpose for their crews getting beefed up. We're not going to focus on their stories, so even if these characters did join, there's no much relevance imo. The opponents now are end-game (yonko) and I feel these worst gen will need to ally when they fight the yonko (they know this as well and have been doing so). What's more important is how Kidd and Law grow with regards to Luffy. Particularly Kidd. We saw Luffy actively learning and training advanced CoA while Kidd was..sulking? I don't recall if he did any sort of training so for all intents and purposes, he's basically same as when he came into Wano except probably the slight boost in overall stats due to working when cuffed with seastones. Same thing with Law as well. Luffy meanwhile was already more powerful and got even stronger.

I think the best we'll get are comic scenes like Kidd reacting to Jinbei joining and telling his crew not to fall behind or Luffy trying to race Kidd or the three in some epic panel for combo attacks. In the end, in what matters is not the crew but Luffy-Kidd-Law themselves because it's pointless if their crews are roughly the same but Luffy outclasses the rest and frankly, I don't see them keeping up at all.

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For bounties, Luffy got a 1 billion increase for crashing BM's party, defeating YCs and successfully escaping BM. If Kaido falls here (which he would I guess). Luffy will get upwards of 1.5billion increase so we're looking at 3bil at least. It wouldn't matter that he had allies or otherwise since he will be the central figure (and he's already dubbed 5th yonko anyway). It'll end up being phrased as Luffy and allies bested Kaido IN his territory. Asinine really. The only reason why he might not even be fully listed as a yonko is because his territory coverage is not that wide though with the Grand fleet in place, I'm pretty sure that's going to change soon.

 

[jaymizzo]

We are nearing the end now. All of the other WG crews aside from the Blackbeard's can't compete with the Strawhats, and were never supposed to be.

This arc is the outro for Kid, Killer, Drake, Apoo, Hawkins and most likely Law. They won't play any prominent role afterwards, that's too much even if you discard the ridiculous 5-year prediction.

Just look at how many characters are left there that will still need closure after Wano:

1. The Blackbeard Pirates
2. The Red Hair Pirates
3. The Revolutionary Army
4. The Admirals including the unknown Green Bull
5. Weevil
6. Mihawk
7. Buggy
8. Hancock
9. Bonney
10. Urouge
11. Vegapunk
12. Koby
13. Smoker and Tashigi
14. Crocodile
15. The Gorosei, Celestial Dragons and Im
16. Elbaf (yes, there will be Elbaf, Oda loves Vikings and there would be no reason to keep the island's sillhouette shrouded if it is not going to be revealed)
17. Straw Hat Grand Fleet

And probably more that I just forgot about. We all shouldn't pretend that One Piece is lasting forvever, Oda is closing things up. There hardly is much space for elaborate sidestories around characters that just won't be it anyways.

Law is set up as an ally, Drake isn't even a Pirate, and Apoo, Hawkins and especially Kid were set up up to fail from the start. Like Kid can believe he is going to be the Pirate King all he likes, he just won't be it, and with Luffy going for Yonkos now there is zero reason to keep Kid up as an equal rival.

All the Supernova in Wano will likely be greatly reduced in their plot importance after this arc.

I disagree, Law at least has his story wrapped up after this arc but Kidd doesn't. He is a direct rival to Luffy in terms of ambition and doubt he would become completely irrelevant as we head to the end game. The other super nova I agree will be in the background, e.g. Bege taking care of his family.

Drake as some people proposed could just go back to the Marines and reappear as an Admiral later down the line after the series ends. Weevil could be taken down or turned into an ally to the SHs or upon learning the truth (in my headcannon) he would also protect WBs territory - resolving his story.

Honestly the way I see it, the manga will not end in 5 years or whatever timeline is placed. Depending on the news the SHs could simply head straight to Elbaf and Oda could have Urouge etc tie into that or head straight to Marineford for a part one of the final war.

I think the final pieces are Marineford part 1 -> Elbaf (RHP) -> Laugh tale (BB) -> FI -> Marineford part 2
I still see a bit of adventures for the SHs. Imagine BB was to move against Alabastra or FI? Luffy would most likely go there or if Sabo/Boa/Vivi are captured...? There is still so much to cover and the end of Wano will most likely be at the end of the year.

 

[TommyBoy]

I disagree, Law at least has his story wrapped up after this arc but Kidd doesn't. He is a direct rival to Luffy in terms of ambition and doubt he would become completely irrelevant as we head to the end game. The other super nova I agree will be in the background, e.g. Bege taking care of his family.

Drake as some people proposed could just go back to the Marines and reappear as an Admiral later down the line after the series ends. Weevil could be taken down or turned into an ally to the SHs or upon learning the truth (in my headcannon) he would also protect WBs territory - resolving his story.

Honestly the way I see it, the manga will not end in 5 years or whatever timeline is placed. Depending on the news the SHs could simply head straight to Elbaf and Oda could have Urouge etc tie into that or head straight to Marineford for a part one of the final war.

I think the final pieces are Marineford part 1 -> Elbaf (RHP) -> Laugh tale (BB) -> FI -> Marineford part 2
I still see a bit of adventures for the SHs. Imagine BB was to move against Alabastra or FI? Luffy would most likely go there or if Sabo/Boa/Vivi are captured...? There is still so much to cover and the end of Wano will most likely be at the end of the year.

I always saw the supernovas as the key players in luffy pirates era. Its obvious that the straw hats will have there dreams come true by the end of the series. Looking at what we know of Roger timeline as a pirate. He had to go through the power house in the new world rocks, found laughing tale and create his pirate era after his death. In his era whitebeard was the top dog before he died and I think the connection with kid playing the same role will end up happening. Because of the all blue, it would be easier to travel around the world of one piece. The supernovas in my head would be a top dogs of the open sea in the end of the story of one piece. So In my head cannon the supernovas reap the reward of the Shaw hats achieving their goals