Seinen xxxHolic by CLAMP

[Snowolf]

Re: xxxHolic Manga Release Schedule

Whut? xxxHolic 177 got released on the 27th/28th, two/three days before the expected release. Hm....they steal the manuscript or something? *smirks*

But i really can't wait for the next chapter. It's getting intense!

 

[NymphStealer]

Re: xxxHolic Manga Release Schedule

oh gah.. clamp changed their site up and now a pain to get round since takes forever to load the flash crap...
and also do they even know their own release schedule?!? they still show they 177 aint supposed to be out til the 6th but we all know that isnt right... anyhow heres the new schedule already w/ fixes...

03/30 - Young Magazine #18 - Chapter 177
04/06 - Young Magazine #19 - No xxxHOLiC scheduled
04/13 - Young Magazine #20 - Chapter 178
04/20 - Young Magazine #21 - Chapter 179

 

[Tsubasaholic]

Re: xxxHolic 177 Discussion/178 Prediction Thread

Hey snowolf! Welcome to the madhouse! Things are going to be gloriously crazy here with the end of xxxHolic and TRC and I'm happy you can join us

For what it's worth 'everything will be alright' or various variations on this depending on who's translating, is pretty much the motto of CCS Sakura. Her saying it is a massive sentimental moment for fans of CCS and a heavy implication that it is her (I think ).

DWMU (your name takes ages to type) - You've been talking to your friends about this? That's awesome. The more opinions we get the better (and that goes for you too snowolf).

The impression I get from what our Japanese experts (hey, you know more than the rest of us!) are saying is that the phrase Yuuko uses is the raw "産まれない" and the relevant kanji "産" are more literal than abstract and the phrase could just as easily (and perhaps more accurately) have been translated as "nothing will hatch from this egg". That is REALLY interesting. . .

 

[DontWakeMeUp]

Re: xxxHolic 177 Discussion/178 Prediction Thread

Tsubasaholic:
I read your post, and, at first, I was like, "lolwho'sDWMU". =|
Yeah, I've been talking to my friends about TRC for a while now. They've been studying Japanese and Chinese longer than I have, so I always verify everything with them.

EDIT//
Doumeki (page 2): "Kore kara ha nanimo umarenai ka...
dattara nan no tame ni..."."
(If nothing will be born from this, then what is it's purpose?) I thought that some of you may want to see the romaji.

So, it's pretty obvious now that he's just referring to a literal birthing.

Snowolf:
"Zettai daijoubu (da) yo" was CCS!Sakura's invincible phrase, and a recurring theme in CCS, as Tsubasaholic said. I think that besides just trying to reassure him that "everything will surely be all right," she could also be trying to help him remember. Since CCS!SxS are, from what we know as of now, their parents, then the phrase could have been something important within their family too (perhaps she always comforted him that way as a child?).

 

[Snowolf]

Re: xxxHolic 177 Discussion/178 Prediction Thread

That's the one thing I love about CLAMP's wording: it's very subtle, and with the Japanese phrasing, it can mean one thing or the other. And they use that very cleverly.

Tsubasaholic: Thank you! I feel very welcome. The ending sure looks like it's going to be more omnipotent and "worldly" than anything we've ever seen from CLAMP and I can't wait to see what they've slapped us in the face with.


AH. So have any of you just finished the new TRC chapter that's come out? This makes things even more confusing....THREE Sakuras and THREE Syaorans? ???? Maybe one pair is Watanuki's parents, and the other is Syaoran's? As Sakura#2 said (i'm just going to number them- Sakura TRC version, the second Sakura who showed up last chappie, and the young schoolgirl version of Sakura is #3) stated, "she who is from a different world but is the same as me"- could this be that when Syaoran and Watanuki separated, they also had to create duplicates of the parents? I mean, it wasn't as if the parents were taken from Syaoran's dimension and put into Watanuki's.

I also have a theory referring to the "death" of Watanuki's parents- rather, they made the choice that they would sacrifice their time together for the sake of Syaoran and the rest of the TRC group to save the world, and left Watanuki, but certainly never died. I remember in the very beginning of xxxHolic that Yuuko-san said that Watanuki's parents died from a "supernatural incident".So then, how did they leave the impression that they died rather than left? Hm...I'm guessing they made the bargain with Yuuko....

Trust me, I'm a Doctor Who fan of all sorts, loving time-travel, dimensions, alternate universes, parallel universes, time reversal, and all that, but this is WAY over my head.

 

[DontWakeMeUp]

Re: xxxHolic 177 Discussion/178 Prediction Thread

I thought that it was previously mentioned that he was given false memories so that he wouldn't try to go look for them or suffer, since as it would be extremely painful knowing that they're alive, but not being able to see them.

 

[kurofaikitty]

Re: xxxHolic 177 Discussion/178 Prediction Thread

wow... gone for three days and i have two pages of posts to read... weird... holic forum usually doesn't even go a full page and a half @ most... yay!
kay, so snowwolf said, "And that egg is really bothering me. I'm hoping it "hatches" to a one-time use power that allows Watanuki to travel dimensions and see Yuuko-san and the rest of the TRC cast (hopefully Doumeki-kun travels along ). Thus, it won't hatch into "anything" but really a power? Like a little traveling thing?"

i don't think so. i'm satarting to think that recovering his memories might hurt watanuki. and if he goes to were the TRC ppl and yukko r... i think he might fall directly into FWR's trap. remeber, FWR wanted watanuki, since he was born from syao, for his evil-lame plots of doom. but yukko stopped him from taking the little wata-chan. if he went there now, that'd be very very very bad. very bad. even if doumeki was there with him. very bad! i cannot even express how dangerous that would be! waaahhhh! it better not be a tellaporty thing! eek!
must clam down... have u guy's noticed, that in the chapter (176 i think) where doumeki first showed us the egg again, it lookd smaller? as if it's tarting to dissapear. and if the egg is connected to watanuki, he might be starting to disspear as well. he's been crossing over into the dream world far too often, and even if haruk was there, it's still to much. and this time, was it even the dream world he went into? i think he's beggining to vanish.
i also think that doumeki knows more than he's letting on. if yukko knew she would be going to the TRC place (where ever the heck that is) i doubt she would have left watanuki in total darkness there. she may have told doumeki something about wata-chan's parents. it might be that doumeki has to stop him from going there.
(i still think he's gonna loose his memories tho.... crap.)
ah.... tsubasa and holic are too depressing today!! (and in TRC's case, confusing as hell...) must... read... fanfiction...

 

[aquamaryna]

Re: xxxHolic 177 Discussion/178 Prediction Thread

Doumeki (page 2): "Kore kara ha nanimo umumorenai ka... dattara nani no tameni."

Actually, that's not exactly correct. It's more like,

"Kore kara ha (or you could write "wa") nanimo umarenai ka...
dattara nan no tame ni..."

When you change from the dictionary form of the verb you can't leave the u/ru/etc. in the new verb. Does that make sense?

And in this case, 何 would be read as "nan". I think there are very few exceptions where you would say, "nani no." It's pretty much always "nan no."

Hope that helped

 

[Lady Sakura-chan]

Re: xxxHolic 177 Discussion/178 Prediction Thread

Any teories where Yuko is?

 

[Tsubasaholic]

Re: xxxHolic 177 Discussion/178 Prediction Thread

snowolf - EVERYONE is confused by TRC at the moment. The forum is in a complete uproar over 217. I'm almost wondering if it's an April Fools prank by Clamp. . .

Dr Who is awesome! They never do anything really challenging with time travel on that show though.

If people are looking for a time travel flick that is, if possible, more confusing than TRC they should watch Primer. That film is IMPOSSIBLE

Lady Sakura-chan - Isn't Yuuko in some strange cutoff time of her own where she was all along but we didn't know it until a few chapters ago or something like that?

Of course Doumeki knows more that he's lettign on. He's that kind of guy

 

[DontWakeMeUp]

Re: xxxHolic 177 Discussion/178 Prediction Thread

aquamaryna:
Ah, thanks; I missed that. >.<
Stilllearning,andIdiditinhaste.

 

[ShirubiaLamperouge]

Re: xxxHolic 177 Discussion/178 Prediction Thread

OMG PRIMER. That movie is like 5 times as bad as tsubasa. I might get it a little better if I watched it again, but I spent like the entire 2nd half going WTF.

And yay doctor who! They SHOULD do something awesome with time travel on there...

And, to continue my random string of comments that have like nothing to do with holic, I'm feeling kinda ridiculously proud of myself for understanding what aquamaryna was saying about that Japanese stuff.

Ok, now to something more related to holic... I think I agree with tsubasaholic about where Yuuko is, but... It seems like that cut off time where she was was confined to her body. She could be in the dream world or something like that... I don't know.

 

[aquamaryna]

Re: xxxHolic 177 Discussion/178 Prediction Thread

aquamaryna:
Ah, thanks; I missed that. >.<
Stilllearning,andIdiditinhaste.

You're welcome. I'm not blaming you for making a mistake, just correcting it. Lord knows I do nothing but make mistakes in my Japanese. xD It's a long long road to "fluency".

 

[Snowolf]

Re: xxxHolic 177 Discussion/178 Prediction Thread

Glad to see some Doctor Who fans btw! Speaking of which, Doctor Who- I was referring to the Martha and Ten episode where the Master goes back in time and rewrites Earth's history so he becomes ultimate ruler (PWNAGE) and then teh Doctor and Martha go back and rewrite it AGAIN so it really never happened- that episode. It confused me for a bit.

Anyways, back on topic: What kurofaikitty said could be true. That would be sad though- I've liked the idea that Watanuki is able to do something rather than just be a passive character and be a spectator. The fact that he's actually teaching someone is great, and he's helping out is great too. (Of course, being a passive character is one of things I love most about xxxHolic- it really gives time to allow Watanuki to develop and flourish as a true individual and character.)

Yeah, TRC just whacked me in the face there, no doubt...I'm still at a complete loss at what to say. I mean, THREE? Really? REALLY? *sighs* CLAMP may be pulling out the greatest April Fool's Joke on all of us fans in all the history of awesome manga.

Back to xxxHolic: I really want Watanuki to be a part of this though. As much as I liked him sitting back and observing all these small and poignant things about humans as told by Yuuko san, I want him to do something. I've always had a feeling, ever since I've started reading the series, that Watanuki would join up with the TRC group later on. And the fact that the last chapter ends with Watanuki crying out "Yuuko san!" really points to the possibility that he might be going there, even if it is in dream-mode.

But I don't understand one thing- Maru and Moro- if the shop still exists, then they should be around (though in incorporeal form, as suggested when Yuuko is talking about Watanuki's past) so maybe they could help out. As for Mokona, I really have no idea where he is. He wasn't there with Yuuko-san, so....hm......*ponders*

 

[freedomrise]

Re: xxxHolic 177 Discussion/178 Prediction Thread

I've got this random theory, which is not very plausible at all, but I'll post it anyway. In chapter 202 of Tsubasa, Fei Wong Reed stated that Watanuki resembles the child Clow Reed just as Clow had anticipated. I know it is flawed in so many ways. But could it be that Watanuki may grow up to become Clow, and more I look at Fei Wong Reed, the more his face shape resembles Doumeki's. Yuko in this sense is just like Himawari. She is unfortunate and stuck in between the two men. It's just like a cycle. Himawari become Yuko and helps Watanuki become Clow Reed, who tries to save Himawari from dying but failed. Doumeki tries to achieve what Watanuki didn't.

I'm being confusing aren't I?

 

[Flipper]

Re: xxxHolic Manga Release Schedule

According to Chibi Yuuto's live journal 178 is scheduled for release on 04/06 http://chibiyuuto.livejournal.com/

[Sorry, faulty source. See NymphStealer's previous post for a re-edited (more plausibly) correct version.]

It's almost too good to be true! Seeing this made my day.

 

[NymphStealer]

Re: xxxHolic Manga Release Schedule

well this is where clamp gets confusing on their site that they updated 4/1 actually has this

Spoiler

03/30 - Young Magazine #18 - No xxxHOLiC scheduled
04/06 - Young Magazine #19 - Chapter 177
04/13 - Young Magazine #20 - Chapter 178
04/20 - Young Magazine #21 - Chapter 179

but 177 came out on the 30th of march instead and at the end of the chapter it said next one wasnt til the 13th of april. The reason they change those was to release both TRC and holic on or closet to the main characters b-days most likely. that doesnt mean clamp is always true to what they put at the end of chappys on when next release is as it has switched up before, but fairly confident next one isnt until the 13th... then again i wouldnt be surprised if they changed it again as they are weird like that.
so i updated their site release schedule to go w/ what was already released and what the end of 177 said.

 

[Flipper]

Re: xxxHolic Manga Release Schedule

Ahh, I see. I had a feeling it was too good to be true. Not sure what's to be trusted now, I'll just have to wait and see I guess.

 

[watanuki01/04]

Re: xxxHolic 177 Discussion/178 Prediction Thread

I have this feeling that the next chapter will be BIG!! The end of this chapter is just asking to lead onto something good! Maybe on his search for Yuuko, he wanders into the treasure room?? I still think Mokona is hiding in there along with all the important items that contain feelings that Yuuko has collected.

Oh, and BTW, Hello to the Dr Who fans! New episode out in the UK next weekend so look out for it!

 

[Tsubasaholic]

Re: xxxHolic 177 Discussion/178 Prediction Thread

I'm. In. Freaking. POLAND!!! I want the new Dr Who!!!

freedomrise- I'd noticed the resemblances as well and was seriously wondering what it meant. Especially as FWR wears a monocle over the same eye as Doumeki would. I don't think it literally IS them, but there's a connection for sure.