Discussion Yonko Discussion Thread

[BASED Shinigami]

The purpose of this thread is for general discussion about the Yonko all in one place. I felt like one needed to be created since all the Yonko (Shanks, Kaido, Big Mom, and Blackbeard) have now been fully revealed and some individual threads just address specific topics. Any Yonko related thoughts can be posted here including theories and future predictions.

I'll start the discussion with one question. Since Luffy plans on taking down all four of them, what is order in which they will be brought down?

 

[I Am Atomic]

I dont think luffy will take down all of them. I believe he will only take down Kaido and Blackbeard.

 

[BASED Shinigami]

I dont think luffy will take down all of them. I believe he will only take down Kaido and Blackbeard.

But didn't say he wanted to take down Shanks too? Someone whom he considers his idol. A guy he must take down before he can become Pirate King.

 

[I Am Atomic]

But didn't say he wanted to take Shanks too?

Yes he did but I don't think it will happen. So far all the fights luffy had was against guys who he hated or he had to defeat. For example: Crocodile who decided to destroy a country. Eneru who decided to destroy a country. Lucci who decided to be kill his friends. You see Shanks doesn't fit into this criteria. Luffy is always bruised and bloodied when he fights strong characters and us readers are like get up luffy and kick his ass, as we did when he fought crocodile and lucci. So if he fights Shanks he is going to be in a similar position. So can we actually say get up luffy and kick shanks' ass? Does it make sense?

If its Kaido and BB then there might be a reason for them to fight to death unlike Shanks.

 

[BASED Shinigami]

Yes he did but I don't think it will happen. So far all the fights luffy had was against guys who he hated or he had to defeat. For example: Crocodile who decided to destroy a country. Eneru who decided to destroy a country. Lucci who decided to be kill his friends. You see Shanks doesn't fit into this criteria. Luffy is always bruised and bloodied when he fights strong characters and us readers are like get up luffy and kick his ass, as we did when he fought crocodile and lucci. So if he fights Shanks he is going to be in a similar position. So can we actually say get up luffy and kick shanks' ass? Does it make sense?

If its Kaido and BB then there might be a reason for them to fight to death unlike Shanks.

This is my perspective. If Luffy is going to become Pirate King, then he has to surpass everyone else the same way Roger did in his time. Luffy definitely doesn't hate Shanks, but he views Shanks as someone he must defeat. Shanks is a powerful Yonko who is possibly vying to become the next Pirate King for all we know, so he would be in this case Luffy's competition for the position. Luffy wont know if he has surpassed Shanks until he has beaten him, so I believe a future fight between them will inevitably take place unless someone else such as Blackbeard kills Shanks.

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Also, Luffy kind of declared open war against Big Mom. I remember him saying "I'm going to defeat you in the New World" or something along those lines. One certain thing we know about Luffy is that keeps his word no matter what as demonstrated in the previous chapters where he knocked out Doflamingo with one final attack as he said he would. A fight between him and Big Mom is bound to happen since he has incurred her wrath.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

I agree, Luffy is going to take down all the Yonko as he said in PH. When Luffy says something this absurd, he usually means it while others take it as a joke.

 

[BASED Shinigami]

I agree, Luffy is going to take down all the Yonko as he said in PH. When Luffy says something this absurd, he usually means it while others take it as a joke.

Kaido will most likely be the first one taken down, but I wonder how Luffy will manage this since the former seems so invincible.

 

[MiyamotoMusashi]

This is my perspective. If Luffy is going to become Pirate King, then he has to surpass everyone else the same way Roger did in his time. Luffy definitely doesn't hate Shanks, but he views Shanks as someone he must defeat. Shanks is a powerful Yonko who is possibly vying to become the next Pirate King for all we know, so he would be in this case Luffy's competition for the position. Luffy wont know if he has surpassed Shanks until he has beaten him, so I believe a future fight between them will inevitably take place unless someone else such as Blackbeard kills Shanks.

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Also, Luffy kind of declared open war against Big Mom. I remember him saying "I'm going to defeat you in the New World" or something along those lines. One certain thing we know about Luffy is that keeps his word no matter what as demonstrated in the previous chapters where he knocked out Doflamingo with one final attack as he said he would. A fight between him and Big Mom is bound to happen since he has incurred her wrath.

He will achieve that by completely changing the world which nobody was able to.

Luffy will never fight Shanks in a serious way, his own personality restricts that.
Blackbeard will probably kill Shanks which will even further ignite the rivalry between BB and Luffy.

 

[BASED Shinigami]

He will achieve that by completely changing the world which nobody was able to.

Luffy will never fight Shanks in a serious way, his own personality restricts that.
Blackbeard will probably kill Shanks which will even further ignite the rivalry between BB and Luffy.

Luffy already hates Blackbeard because the latter gave Ace to the World Government. If Blackbeard does kill Shanks in the future then Luffy would have even more motivation to kick his behind.

Blackbeard didn't want to challenge Shanks during the War of The Best because he thought his crew wasn't ready yet. Maybe the primary reason why Blackbeard and his gang is currently stealing Devil Fruits from powerful users is so that they can start a war against Shanks.

 

[MiyamotoMusashi]

Luffy already hates Blackbeard because the latter gave Ace to the World Government. If Blackbeard does kill Shanks in the future then Luffy would have even more motivation to kick his behind.

Blackbeard didn't want to challenge Shanks during the War of The Best because he thought his crew wasn't ready yet. Maybe the primary reason why Blackbeard and his gang is currently stealing Devil Fruits from powerful users is so that they can start a war against Shanks.

For a final antagonist, it´s still a bit weak though, now if he kills the guy that literally inspired Luffy to become Pirate King and influences his personality to this degree, that´s a different issue

BB thinks this is his era, so he will start something, definitely. I think though Shanks might attack him first.

 

[BASED Shinigami]

For a final antagonist, it´s still a bit weak though, now if he kills the guy that literally inspired Luffy to become Pirate King and influences his personality to this degree, that´s a different issue

BB thinks this is his era, so he will start something, definitely. I think though Shanks might attack him first.

I agree. Blackbeard as a final antagonist seems a bit weak right now. Akainu is the person I really want to see Luffy take down going forward, but Akainu is so ferocious. Luffy might end losing a limb like Kuzan did.

I can see Shanks taking the initiative. Shanks is certainly a typical laid back guy like Luffy, but they both know when to take action. Shanks was already wary of Blackbeard when the latter inflicted that scar on his face. He probably percieves BB as an even greater threat now that Blackbeard has taken control of all the areas that were under Whitehead's protection. Speaking of which, what the heck is Marco and rest of the Whitebeard pirates doing right now?

 

[MiyamotoMusashi]

I agree. Blackbeard as a final antagonist seems a bit weak right now. Akainu is the person I really want to see Luffy take down going forward, but Akainu is so ferocious. Luffy might end losing a limb like Kuzan did.

I can see Shanks taking the initiative. Shanks is certainly a typical laid back guy like Luffy, but they both know when to take action. Shanks was already wary of Blackbeard when the latter inflicted that scar on his face. He probably percieves BB as an even greater threat now that Blackbeard has taken control of all the areas that were under Whitehead's protection. Speaking of which, what the heck is Marco and rest of the Whitebeard pirates doing right now?

Moria is waiting for someone to attack Kaidou, so he can get right into it as well. The WB Pirates are licking each other´s wounds, or were annexed by Shanks, or are waiting for Luffy to get to the NW and help him take down the Yonkou.

 

[BASED Shinigami]

Moria is waiting for someone to attack Kaidou, so he can get right into it as well. The WB Pirates are licking each other´s wounds, or were annexed by Shanks, or are waiting for Luffy to get to the NW and help him take down the Yonkou.

I totally forgot about Moria. He has been hiding in the NW for two years now. I wonder is if he secretly building a new zombie army.

I think two years is more than enough time for them to heal their wounds, reorganize their divisions, and recruit more people. Both scenarios you have mentioned contain strong possibilities. The Whitebeard pirates are indebted to Shanks because the latter stopped the war and secured the bodies of their comrades so they would have a proper burial. They may be allies now or were annexed like you said. On the other hand, they risked their lives to save Luffy from Akainu. I can see them rallying behind Luffy if the opportunity presents itself. Either way the Whitebeard pirates would have a friendly or neutral stance towards Luffy and Shanks. They would definitely be hostile towards Blackbeard, Kaido, and Big Mom.

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In order to survive in the NW you either have to directly oppose a Yonko or pledge allegiance to one. The Whitebeard pirates most likely allied themselves with Red Haired Shanks.

 

[Fox666]

Quite sure the Whitebeard pirates are still strong without Newgate. Sengoku briefly mentioned that one of the Yonko or Marco (now captain of the Whitebeard pirates) may stop Blackbeard at the New World.

 

[I Am Atomic]

Quite sure the Whitebeard pirates are still strong without Newgate. Sengoku briefly mentioned that one of the Yonko or Marco (now captain of the Whitebeard pirates) may stop Blackbeard at the New World.

It was the Gorosei who said that. Yes you are right, they are strong even without WB.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

Quite sure the Whitebeard pirates are still strong without Newgate. Sengoku briefly mentioned that one of the Yonko or Marco (now captain of the Whitebeard pirates) may stop Blackbeard at the New World.

I don't think so, the Gorosei only deemed them capable before the time-skip; post-skip, Jinbei said Blackbeard had conquered most of their territory in the 2 years so they're considerably weaker without WB it seems and unable to currently oppose Blackbeard.

 

[BASED Shinigami]

I'm not sure they would be able to stop the Blackbeard pirates anymore now that Zukan has joined up with them.

 

[TitaniumOxide]

While I do want this manga to last another 15 years, I do not see Luffy defeating every yonko. That doesn't mean he won't fight every yonko. The reasons why I say this is basically the same reasons that some others have said. We have to take too many things into consideration right now. For example, is big mom really Lola's mom? If so, then even though the curly brow pirates escaped with ceasar, lola miht earn enough points with big momma to be on a neutral stance with the mugiwaras. At this point Luffy will probably say something baka like hmm. I still want to fight you (to big mom) and in which case she'll say yes. No matter who wins, they will still be allies or on neutral ground.

As for Shanks, he is not a villain or not yet anyways. Luffy don't go around looking for kindhearted people like Coby to fight. He fights bad guys. He spars/trains with good guys like Rayleigh. That is why when him and Shanks finally have a nostalgic reunion, he will merely ask for a sparring match and he shall have it. No one is out to kill the other yet it will be an epic battle for sure. While this can happen, I think what will more likely happen is this: Shank just got defeated by someone (Akainu or Blackbeard or someone we do not know yet), he says his last words to Luffy telling him how proud he is of him and then KO or die. Ya know, just play on our emotions and to have us want Luffy go ssj4 on the bad guy's ass.

 

[dark123]

In one of the games i dont know in which one it was stated that Shanks can slow down time... If he can slow down time with haki it is going to be YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

I don't think WG can take credit from Luffy this time. Even narratively, it makes little sense, since Wano SHOULD cement Luffy on or above Yonko level in notoriety!

WG have done this throughout the story:
At Alabasta
At Enies Lobby, the didn't take credit for its destruction, they said Luffy did it because they'd look stupid for destroying their own base.
At God Valley... despite countless Pirates there to witness, it was all accredited to Garp and not Roger.

Spoiler

At Dressrosa, it only failed because Fujitora (WG member) broadcasted the truth on TV which isn't really possible here.

Whenever the WG have been involved in an incident directly, they always controlled what the world knew of that incident.

WG is in Wano, easily can control the narrative.

Also, Wano isn't necessarily where Luffy's cemented at Yonko level to the world, there are still 3 Emperors for Luffy to defeat.

You're also not considering the fact wherever the WG have it in their best interest to take credit, they will... that's exactly what happened at Alabasta or God Valley. The more involved or greater the presence of the WG in a situation, the more likely it is they take credit.

Taking credit for taking down an Emperor is important.

If anything, it's better for the world to not truly be aware of Luffy's duties given there's still a lot more of the story to go. 3 Emperors left potentially, the Admirals, Elbaph... there's a lot of the story to left for a need to rush Luffy to superstar status when it's the lack of status, recognition, conflict and drama that drive the story and narrative.

It's possible, but if we put the incidents where the WG have changed the narrative, they almost have a 99% record albeit when they themselves (the WG - Fujitora - on live broadcast) tells the truth which is not really possible here. Unless Drake has access, it still won't be believed because he's a Pirate to the world.
Maybe if Fujitora was at Wano.