Fantasy Zeref VS August

[Arjuna]

Well August won the poll.14-10.Not bad though.

Though i expected it will be closer.

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A point came in my mind.We know August can copy and nullify Caster Magic.But no where it was stated that he can do so to curse.

And as a matter Zeref's Ankhseram Wave is a curse actually.And as a matter of fact the spells that August copied are spells which can be learnt.But Ankhseram Magic cannot be learnt.It is given by god Ankhseram.So August can't copy it.

 

[grey matter]

Not sure if this was already there, in which case, the mods can remove the thread.

Both bloodlusted and want to kill each other
Both use their spells as effectively as they can, no character induced stupidity
Zeref is without Fairy Heart

Conditions: Zeref isn't immortal

 

[grey matter]

@Fyron
Lets do it here

 

[Fyron]

Sigh.

I've already made all my points and I had a serious discussion , and I cannot cope up with jokes on the fandom. Not sure if this is a joke thread , but I've expressed myself.

I will just leave that you're thinking unnecessarily way out of the box if you think August is stronger than Zeref for a manga as simple as FT.

 

[grey matter]

I don't really think so. He was trying out that method way back. I consider his etherious as power from the dead.

Natsu and Larcade are confirmed as dead bodies resurrected. Bloodman went back to the underworld after he was defeated. Mard Geer is known as the king of the underworld. All of this points towards his etherious being power of the dead.

Zeref wasn't conflicted until halfway through Alvarez , he still wanted to die halfway through the arc. It was only after igneel's power reserves exhausted that he started getting conflicted.

Well , I'm assuming this is a joke , if it isn't , mind you the same thing would happen to August due to that. Guild Mark Natsu was basically Ignia flames Natsu without physical strength of dragon force.

Mard did say that Zeref can't be killed even by etherious. Which was why he invented Memento Mori, cause the only solution he found was to erase the guy.

Zeref was conflicted only when he saw Natsu with Igneel's powers. Otherwise, he was mostly focused on getting FH's powers. When it failed, Zeref claims that all his conflicts were cleared or something

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Sigh.

I've already made all my points and I had a serious discussion , and I cannot cope up with jokes on the fandom. Not sure if this is a joke thread , but I've expressed myself.

I will just leave that you're thinking unnecessarily way out of the box if you think August is stronger than Zeref for a manga as simple as FT.

Why should it be a joke? I'm dead serious when I say that August > Zeref without immortality.

Wait for the polls, you'll see that it's not really an unpopular opinion at all.

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@August_Lightning how do I make votes visible?

 

[kenedyfake]

Zeref NO diff

 

[grey matter]

Zeref NO diff

No diff? How? Based on what feats?

 

[Eisenfaust]

Based on feats August winning this one.
People forget that August was the kid of both Zeref and Mavis so he had a insane amoung of magic, probably more then both above his parents. His feats are over the top, destroying Jellal and OS easily and even defeat Gildarts/Cana while they having plot on their side. Compare to that Base Zeref wasn't really impressiv.

I think August is little stronger then Base Zeref but weaker then White Zeref.

WhiteZeref>August=>Base Zeref

 

[Fyron]

Mard did say that Zeref can't be killed even by etherious. Which was why he invented Memento Mori, cause the only solution he found was to erase the guy.

Zeref was conflicted only when he saw Natsu with Igneel's powers. Otherwise, he was mostly focused on getting FH's powers. When it failed, Zeref claims that all his conflicts were cleared or something

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Why should it be a joke? I'm dead serious when I say that August > Zeref without immortality.

Wait for the polls, you'll see that it's not really an unpopular opinion at all.

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@August_Lightning how do I make votes visible?

Mard said that because none of the Etherious were strong enough to kill him , this point is reenforced by Zeref again later on. Memento Mori couldn't have killed Zeref , Zeref himself said so.

He was hoping for Natsu to be able to kill him on Tenrou. I'm pretty sure he was hoping for that in Tartaros as well. August is an old guy , he didn't grow as strong as he is in one year , even if he did , Zeref was still hoping for Natsu to kill him when he saw Natsu using Igneel's power which suggests Zeref always wanted to die , but had kinda given up hope.

I don't care about the polls , I've made my points already. People just salty about Natsu defeating Zeref but now since we saw Guild Mark Natsu's attack scales to Ignia flames Natsu's attacks , we actually know how strong that attack was. People who think August is stronger than Zeref ignore the fact he tanked Igneel Natsu's attacks , oneshotted Natsu when he got serious , and DF Natsu's PoF induced FDK Demo Fist couldn't incinerate all of Zeref's magic. Also the fact that Natsu required FDK Demo Fist to KO Makarov whereas Zeref was going to do it with a wave of his hand.

 

[Vis]

I honestly can't tell where Zeref's durability finishes and his immortality comes in. I feel like they've been presented to be one and the same which makes this difficult with immortality restricted. Especially considering it's passive and we never saw him in a fight without it.

 

[Seven777]

August easily. Zeref couldn't do anything to him even if he was competent

 

[Fyron]

I honestly can't tell where Zeref's durability finishes and his immortality comes in. I feel like they've been presented to be one and the same which makes this difficult with immortality restricted. Especially considering it's passive and we never saw him in a fight without it.

I would say his feats against Igneel Natsu were his durability. His feats against Guild Mark Natsu were his immortality.

Igneel Natsu had the power of the dead , which effectively made Zeref's immortality useless. So he tanked those stacks with his own durability. That's the reason just having power of the dead won't do , the attacker has to be stronger than him too so as to surpass his durability.

His feats against Guild Mark Matsu were his immortality since he was out cold on the ground.

 

[grey matter]

I don't care about the polls , I've made my points already. People just salty about Natsu defeating Zeref but now since we saw Guild Mark Natsu's attack scales to Ignia flames Natsu's attacks , we actually know how strong that attack was. People who think August is stronger than Zeref ignore the fact he tanked Igneel Natsu's attacks , oneshotted Natsu when he got serious , and DF Natsu's PoF induced FDK Demo Fist couldn't incinerate all of Zeref's magic. Also the fact that Natsu required FDK Demo Fist to KO Makarov whereas Zeref was going to do it with a wave of his hand.

You're getting worked up for no reason at all lmao.

We're considering NORMAL Zeref here, not Zeref with FH. DF Natsu was fighting on equal terms with base Zeref, that's a fact. No guild BS or POF that time.

Guild BS came for FH Zeref, not base Zeref.

Ok, FH Zeref one shotted Natsu. So? That doesn't translate to base Zeref.

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@Fyron
Tell me about how Zeref is gonna defeat August.
August nullified all his spells anyway.

 

[Fyron]

Anyway , I've made my points here.

- August isn't stronger than him since if he was , he would've himself offered his life so that his power of the dead can help to kill Zeref and help him achieve his wish. It's common sense and honestly you didn't read the story if you don't know this.

- As for feats , Zeref could tank Igneel Natsu's attacks with his durability ( since they were bypassing his immortality ) , could oneshot immobilize Natsu when Zeref got serious , could incapacitate Makarov with a wave of his hand what Natsu required a FDK Demo Fist to do , DF Natsu's FDK Demo Fist couldn't incinerate all his magic ( for reference , BoS DF Natsu >> BoS Jellal.>> BoS Erza >>>>> BoS Natsu ), and was only knocked out by Guild Mark Natsu's attack which scales to Ignia Flames Natsu without physical strength.

Think what you want now , I've made my points. If you can't accept so it be.

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You're getting worked up for no reason at all lmao.

We're considering NORMAL Zeref here, not Zeref with FH. DF Natsu was fighting on equal terms with base Zeref, that's a fact. No guild BS or POF that time.

Guild BS came for FH Zeref, not base Zeref.

Ok, FH Zeref one shotted Natsu. So? That doesn't translate to base Zeref.

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@Fyron
Tell me about how Zeref is gonna defeat August.
August nullified all his spells anyway.

A fight never happened between Base Zeref and DF Natsu. In fact DF Natsu didn't fight him , he only used DF to break out of his immobilisation spell.

I would say FH Zeref is the same as Base Zeref with a time rewind , because infinite magic power , if it increases your stats , should ideally increase them to infinity. A fraction of infinity is still infinity.

FH Zeref oneshotted him , and Base Zeref did as well. He immobilizer Natsu with his spell in one shot.

August nullifying spells stronger than him is NLF.

 

[LaGOAT]

August low diff zeref. His offense feats are trash It was his immortality that keep him afloat

 

[grey matter]

Anyway , I've made my points here.

- August isn't stronger than him since if he was , he would've himself offered his life so that his power of the dead can help to kill Zeref and help him achieve his wish. It's common sense and honestly you didn't read the story if you don't know this.

Headcanon. You're telling me that I'm over-analyzing when you're coming up with stuff like this lol

- As for feats , Zeref could tank Igneel Natsu's attacks with his durability ( since they were bypassing his immortality ) , could oneshot immobilize Natsu when Zeref got serious , could incapacitate Makarov with a wave of his hand what Natsu required a FDK Demo Fist to do , DF Natsu's FDK Demo Fist couldn't incinerate all his magic ( for reference , BoS DF Natsu >> BoS Jellal.>> BoS Erza >>>>> BoS Natsu ), and was only knocked out by Guild Mark Natsu's attack which scales to Ignia Flames Natsu without physical strength.

Igneel Natsu was about to end Zeref, what are you on about?

Yeah, DF Natsu couldn't incinerate FH Zeref's magic. Cause he's powered by FH lol. How does this translate to base Zeref?

My dude, why do you keep pulling FH Zeref's feats? I'm talking about base Zeref here. Guild BS came only for FH Zeref

Also, it's implied that Jellal would've won if not for Erza's cut earlier, but lets not go into it lol.

Think what you want now , I've made my points. If you can't accept so it be.

Sure lol. You started this off, saying that this is a troll opinion. Clearly not. There are feats and hype supporting August within manga, it's upto how you interpret them. By hype, debatable. By feats, nope.

 

[Fyron]

Headcanon. You're telling me that I'm over-analyzing when you're coming up with stuff like this lol



Igneel Natsu was about to end Zeref, what are you on about?

Yeah, DF Natsu couldn't incinerate FH Zeref's magic. Cause he's powered by FH lol. How does this translate to base Zeref?

My dude, why do you keep pulling FH Zeref's feats? I'm talking about base Zeref here

Also, it's implied that Jellal would've won if not for Erza's cut earlier, but lets not go into it lol.


Sure lol. You started this off, saying that this is a troll opinion. Clearly not. There are feats and hype supporting August within manga, it's upto how you interpret them. By hype, debatable. By feats, nope.

What headcanon ? I'm stating merely what was stated. It was stated Igneel's power was from the dead and was stronger , so it could kill Zeref. You call it headcanon ?

Yeah , about to end him after many attacks. Let's stop acting like he oneshotted him.

"Powered by FH" ? Nah , if FH was the one which helped him restore his magic , then it should've helped him restore from Guild Mark Natsu's attack too. It didn't , it means it wasn't an infinite supply. As I said before , if FH really increased his MP/stats , then it should've increased them to infinity ,since a fraction of infinity is still infinity.

It's because imo FH Zeref = Base Zeref with a fancy time rewind. Also Base Zeref also oneshotted Natsu btw.

I didn't say this was a troll opinion , whatever you think is your business and I don't care. I simply asked whether you were serious about what you were saying because users here many a times joke and downplay characters and Zeref is one of them. So I didn't want to appear like an idiot for taking a joke seriously if you meant it. If you think August > Zeref , so it be , I've said what I wanted to say.

 

[grey matter]

What headcanon ? I'm stating merely what was stated. It was stated Igneel's power was from the dead and was stronger , so it could kill Zeref. You call it headcanon ?

Yeah , about to end him after many attacks. Let's stop acting like he oneshotted him.

"Powered by FH" ? Nah , if FH was the one which helped him restore his magic , then it should've helped him restore from Guild Mark Natsu's attack too. It didn't , it means it wasn't an infinite supply. As I said before , if FH really increased his MP/stats , then it should've increased them to infinity ,since a fraction of infinity is still infinity.

It's because imo FH Zeref = Base Zeref with a fancy time rewind. Also Base Zeref also oneshotted Natsu btw.

I didn't say this was a troll opinion , whatever you think is your business and I don't care. I simply asked whether you were serious about what you were saying because users here many a times joke and downplay characters and Zeref is one of them. So I didn't want to appear like an idiot for taking a joke seriously if you meant it. If you think August > Zeref , so it be , I've said what I wanted to say.

Are you really arguing that FH didn't power Zeref at all?

FH obviously powered up Zeref. It's like GH powering up Hades, GH is basically a (imperfect) replica of FH. When Hades activated GH, the FT members could feel his power jumping up by tiers. But it clearly didn't make Hades' power infinite either

See it this way. After a certain capacity, magic power would stop flowing into the mage. So, it wouldn't make the mage inifnitely stronger, but can replinish them infinitely while simultaneously powering them up to a level much higher than their normal power

Ehh, we troll Zeref around a lot. But does realize that he's top tier, even though he got fucked by friendship. August is a top tier mage as well. I don't understand how placing Zeref below August, who basically no diff'd CS and was about to no diff Gildarts (Gildarts got just one offense and August took very low damage from it), is 'downplaying' him.

I've said what I wanted to say as well. Believe what you will.

 

[Fyron]

Are you really arguing that FH didn't power Zeref at all?

FH obviously powered up Zeref. It's like GH powering up Hades, GH is basically a (imperfect) replica of FH. When Hades activated GH, the FT members could feel his power jumping up by tiers. But it clearly didn't make Hades' power infinite either

See it this way. After a certain capacity, magic power would stop flowing into the mage. So, it wouldn't make the mage inifnitely stronger, but can replinish them infinitely while simultaneously powering them up to a level much higher than their normal power

Ehh, we troll Zeref around a lot. But does realize that he's top tier, even though he got fucked by friendship. August is a top tier mage as well. I don't understand how placing Zeref below August, who basically no diff'd CS and was about to no diff Gildarts (Gildarts got just one offense and August took very low damage from it), is 'downplaying' him.

I've said what I wanted to say as well. Believe what you will.

IIRC , the FT members could feel Hades' power surging because he activated Devil's Eye , not GH. As far as I remember GH didn't have any significant effect on his stats , it just allowed him to stand up again , correct me if I'm wrong.

No GH is actually a better version of FH at least for CQC lol. GH allows you to replenish your magic power again if you're drained of magic power , FH doesn't do that. Had it been GH Zeref would've gotten up again after Guild Mark Natsu's attack.

It's downplaying him because we're thinking unnecessarily out of the box when the answer is clear. Y'all say Zeref's feats suck because of one fight ,completely ignoring his other feats. He tanked attacks from Igneel Natsu that were bypassing his immortality. Whose attack power would arguably be on par with Human Acnologia . Even if you want to say FH provided a boost to him ( I don't think so at all ) , he still oneshot immobilised Natsu when he got serious even while in his base form , and incapacitated Makarov with a wave of his hands. And all this is while ignoring the fact that this story is moving forward under the condition that those loyal to Zeref aren't stronger than him , otherwise he would've used them to lift his curse. And FT isn't a complicated manga , villain bosses have always been stronger than their subordinates. Hades > GH , Zero > OS , Mard > Tartaros , Laxus > Raijinshuu , Jellal > whatever it was , etc. Why should it be different for Zeref suddenly ?

If this can't convince you , I don't think anything will , so ok.

 

[Ramen]

Mard did say that Zeref can't be killed even by etherious. Which was why he invented Memento Mori, cause the only solution he found was to erase the guy.

Zeref was conflicted only when he saw Natsu with Igneel's powers. Otherwise, he was mostly focused on getting FH's powers. When it failed, Zeref claims that all his conflicts were cleared or something

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Why should it be a joke? I'm dead serious when I say that August > Zeref without immortality.

Wait for the polls, you'll see that it's not really an unpopular opinion at all.

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@August_Lightning how do I make votes visible?

When making the poll, it asks if you want to make the votes visie