Fantasy Zeref VS August

[WoWfan]

Remember, Neinhart was physically weak, so it is understandable that he was easily taken out in the first place by base Natsu. The only things that would have Natsu scale above/around Spriggans are the FDKM and Savage flames

 

[LaGOAT]

When has August ever taken anyone out by using crash, or even heavely injured someone with crash.

As far i remember, August has no good offence feat

This argument to me is equal to irene turning someone into a rat to win

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Erm what
August attack was heat based, it wasnt fire. Natsu negated the heat effect of it.

Natsu can easily eat atlas flame, igneel and ignia flame. If august has any fire spell, he will eat that too

He used it against gildartz when gildartz tried to use it on him. Zeref feats hasn’t shown to down any1 unless they were Crippled

 

[Jko]

Zeref is winning this. August ain't beating his Daddy.

 

[sharkai]

He used it against gildartz when gildartz tried to use it on him. Zeref feats hasn’t shown to down any1 unless they were Crippled

Good point about zeref

I dont remember it doing heavy damage to gildart

So basically we have a fight where no one has good offense feat but both have good durability feat
Great

Fine i will go with zeref only because of his portrayal

 

[Fyron]

Good point about zeref

I dont remember it doing heavy damage to gildart

So basically we have a fight where no one has good offense feat but both have good durability feat
Great

Fine i will go with zeref only because of his portrayal

Zeref has a feat of oneshot immobilizing Natsu when he got serious.
https://read.mangadad.com/Mangadad/fairy-tail/chapter-530/19.jpg

Show me where does August have such a feat ? Whom has August oneshotted on the level of Natsu ? He required multiple attacks off screen to down Crime Sorciere and couldn't oneshot Gildarts. Also there's the fact that entirety of Igneel's power was required for ideally killing Zeref , which was bypassing his immortality so he tanked it with his durability.

Oneshotting Natsu > Oneshotting Brandish

Tanking attacks from Igneel Natsu till power exhausts > Tanking attack from Gildarts.

He wins portrayal wise as well , and feat wise as well. It should be a no brainer tbf.

 

[LaGOAT]

Except that August can copy it u seem to forget that part. 2.jacob>Base natsu 3.except that I beleive his durability come from his immortality and he doesn’t have it in this battle. August uses crashing endgame for the fodder. zeref hasn’t down any1 that wasn’t crippled or willing to fight him

 

[sharkai]

Except that August can copy it u seem to forget that part. 2.jacob>Base natsu 3.except that I beleive his durability come from his immortality and he doesn’t have it in this battle. August uses crashing endgame for the fodder. zeref hasn’t down any1 that wasn’t crippled or willing to fight him

We dont know August can copy zeref. We know he can copy gildarts or jellal but mages with magic power like human irene (equal mp) or zeref (most likely larger mp) he has never copied or nullified.

August has never taken out anyone with crash, you shouldn't give feats to people for no reason.

 

[WoWfan]

Well, we do not know if it is a matter of MP, considering that he nullified FG which is one of the 3 FT spells, but August did reassemble himself with crash

 

[sharkai]

Well, we do not know if it is a matter of MP, considering that he nullified FG which is one of the 3 FT spells, but August did reassemble himself with crash

FG by cana. cana mp is low

normally people put their own limit for hax. thus brandish cant one shot aconologia by decreasing the size of his spine by alot.

personally i dont buy it but
otherwise august can simply copy aconologia, irene can causallly turn aconologia into a rat and so on

 

[grey matter]

We dont know August can copy zeref. We know he can copy gildarts or jellal but mages with magic power like human irene (equal mp) or zeref (most likely larger mp) he has never copied or nullified.

August has never taken out anyone with crash, you shouldn't give feats to people for no reason.

By default, hax works unless the opponent is a tier above you IMO
Eileen is definitely not, and I don't think Zeref is either.

Also, I don't think copying magic is hax. So he can copy them regardless. Being immune to the copied magic likely is a hax.

 

[sharkai]

By default, hax works unless the opponent is a tier above you IMO
Eileen is definitely not, and I don't think Zeref is either.

Also, I don't think copying magic is hax. So he can copy them regardless. Being immune to the copied magic likely is a hax.

sadly tiers are defined by you not the author
default setting is also wrong. Marin hax easily worked on erza, mest hax worked on brandish.
personally, i believe even Mishma doesn't know, and he makes it works when he wants it to work.
Saliah easily macroed erza. mira here cant macro anyone noteworthy
and i am sure you dont think irene can turn alverzec laxus into a rat either

i call august magic hax. nullification as well as copy. he seems to have slightly superior version of rufus magic.
dont think he can even keep his copied magic, or copy ds magic but thats just me

 

[grey matter]

sadly tiers are defined by you not the author
default setting is also wrong. Marin hax easily worked on erza, mest hax worked on brandish.
personally, i believe even Mishma doesn't know, and he makes it works when he wants it to work.
Saliah easily macroed erza. mira here cant macro anyone noteworthy
and i am sure you dont think irene can turn alverzec laxus into a rat either

i call august magic hax. nullification as well as copy. he seems to have slightly superior version of rufus magic.
dont think he can even keep his copied magic, or copy ds magic but thats just me

I suppose you're right, hax works when mashima wants them to work but he has also shown precedence for hax failing against relatively strong mages (Brandish hax failing on Neinhart, Dimaria hax failing on END etc). I'm just trying to make sense of stuff lol, but there are certainly inconsistencies cause mashima doesn't give a fuck.

I don't see why copying is hax. It's just an enhanced version of learning new magic. Gaining immunity to learnt magic? I can see that being a hax, certainly.
Didn't he use meteor in Gildarts to blitz? He keeps what he copies, he didn't use his unending versatility cause mashima didn't know wtf to do with that character lol

 

[sharkai]

I suppose you're right, hax works when mashima wants them to work but he has also shown precedence for hax failing against relatively strong mages (Brandish hax failing on Neinhart, Dimaria hax failing on END etc). I'm just trying to make sense of stuff lol, but there are certainly inconsistencies cause mashima doesn't give a fuck.

I don't see why copying is hax. It's just an enhanced version of learning new magic. Gaining immunity to learnt magic? I can see that being a hax, certainly.
Didn't he use meteor in Gildarts to blitz? He keeps what he copies, he didn't use his unending versatility cause mashima didn't know wtf to do with that character lol

maybe
i guess depends on what you call hax
we really dont know. august body was highlighted and he was faster but it doesnt really have to be meteor. i kind of remember racer body was also highlighted against august
but yeah, mishma fuked him up, and now he got no feats

 

[WoWfan]

FG by cana. cana mp is low

normally people put their own limit for hax. thus brandish cant one shot aconologia by decreasing the size of his spine by alot.

personally i dont buy it but
otherwise august can simply copy aconologia, irene can causallly turn aconologia into a rat and so on

But the spell’s MP massively exceeds that of jura, it’s magic power comes directly from an extern source. usually, hax has a limit, but only if it is stated as such. But Acnologia would be resistant to that

 

[Fyron]

Except that August can copy it u seem to forget that part. 2.jacob>Base natsu 3.except that I beleive his durability come from his immortality and he doesn’t have it in this battle. August uses crashing endgame for the fodder. zeref hasn’t down any1 that wasn’t crippled or willing to fight him

1) August copying spells of a level we haven't seen him do is NLF. Unless you believe Gildarts can oneshot Natsu. I don't.

2) Jacob > Base Natsu ?

I'm just tagging @Axiomus here , I need not debate this.

3) Igneel Natsu was bypassing his immortality , which is what you forget. Immortality is like when Acnologia roars and Zeref still doesn't die , when Guild Mark Natsu used that final attack and he still didn't die , that's thanks to his immortality. When he's out cold on the ground and he still doesn't die , that's when we understand his immortality kicked in. He was still standing even after Igneel Natsu's many attacks , and Igneel Natsu was actually going to kill him since immortality had no effect when attacked by power of the dead. Entirety of Igneel's power was needed to even ideally kill him. Igneel's power > August's entire reserves , even if we assume Zeref isn't even gonna retort or even move from his place August will exhaust himself before Zeref even gets KOed.

So just because he was written off poorly you're gonna downplay him ? I'm getting Comicvine vibes here. Because he didn't kill anyone you're gonna ignore the fact that he has feats of tanking Igneel Natsu's attacks and was only going to die after Natsu using up the entire power , you're gonna ignore he oneshotted Base Natsu when he got serious , you're gonna ignore he could kill Makarov with a handwave what Batau required an FDK Demo Fist to do ? That's less of debating and more of favouritism. We aren't arguing which characters are badass here , we're arguing power scales. Yeah that's right he did not kill anybody , but so didn't Irene , so didn't Igneel , so didn't any of the parent dragons. Do we ignore their feats ?

 

[WoWfan]

August already copies/nullifies spells that are stronger than normal, like the Fairy Glitter, which is the MP from sources like the sun, moon and stars

 

[grey matter]

August already copies/nullifies spells that are stronger than normal, like the Fairy Glitter, which is the MP from sources like the sun, moon and stars

Fairy Glitter from Cana would do nothing to August anyway.

It's an OP spell, but from fodder like Cana, any top tier would tank it.

 

[WoWfan]

Fairy Glitter from Cana would do nothing to August anyway.

It's an OP spell, but from fodder like Cana, any top tier would tank it.

That is not really how Fairy Glitter works, it requires training to actually use it, not just MP, But the MP comes from the external sources which is the energy/light of the Sun, Moon and Stars, which is greater than Jura's strongest spells, this is an independent spell from her own level of MP.

 

[grey matter]

That is not really how Fairy Glitter works, it requires training to actually use it, not just MP, But the MP comes from the external sources which is the energy/light of the Sun, Moon and Stars, which is greater than Jura's strongest spells, this is an independent spell from her own level of MP.

Are you telling me that Cana's magic power plays no factor here?

I don't think so, spell power is always proportional to user's magic power. Eileen's sema in x792 is superior to Jellal's sema in x791, even though they're both just meteors. Magic power makes a difference. She can use energy or sun/moon whatever, but in the end, the amount of energy she gets from them will be determined by her magic power. It just happens that some spells are inherently superior to others (eg: secret arc > roar > talon when used by the same Dragon Slayer), also in GMG Mavis helping her might have had something to do with her passing 9999

Also, I think that difference between August and Cana >>>> the difference between Jura and Cana.
Jura may have been 10x stronger than her, while August is probably 100x stronger than her. I don't see her passing August's power irrespective of the high base damage of Fairy Glitter

 

[WoWfan]

I said "not just magic power" meaning that like all magic requires magic power, just that Fairy Glitter's strength is external, so you are saying that Cana is stronger than Jura/Laxus without FG? because let me tell you there is no way that sounds right at all. Mavis did not help her at all at the time, as Mavis just lent it to her, so it was entirely Cana's own strength.