Fantasy Zeref VS August

[LaGOAT]

what u guys r not understanding is even if he isn't serious how can a weaker version of natsu till able to go toe to toe with zeref who is having "fun". he wasn't serious vs a BKDM natsu. To me those attacks shouldn't be putting starches on u. That's like saying Lucy can do the same to zeref even if he wasnt serious. His unname attack scar natsu but who says that natsu durability is on par with august? Natsu has great durability but august is much greater so it's debatable if that would have hurt august. August is above base natsu so he can just use meteor to blitz zeref or use crash magic. Ultear was able to put down a sealed zeref. AGAIN don't get me wrong I know zeref>august but his current feats isn't gonna beat august. Also when was zeref going toe to toe with BDKM natsu? All I remember was natsu dominating Zeref (not serious of course) can some1 show me panels?

 

[Seven777]

Being too weak to walk affects endurance/stamina more than anything. The fact that Zeref's unnamed attack went through Larcade, tells us that the difference between Zeref's attack power and Larcade's durability is quite large.

And let's be honest. What feats does August have that can rival Zeref's? Ars Magia is a suicidal move. At best, you can say they would tie. And even if he copies Zeref's magic, Zeref still has the superior stats. I'm also not going to assume that August can copy and nullify every single attack of Zeref's. That would be overrating him.

I dunno man, killing a cripple is hardly impressive, i maintain that oneshotting Neinhart is still a far better feat.

As for what feats rival Zeref's, August has plently that not only rival but blow his out of the water.
Overwhelming Gildarts in a physical confrontation. So August physical strength and skill>>>Zeref's(got overpowered by base Natsu)
Blitzing Gildarts with Meteor. August speed>>>Zeref's(Slower than base Natsu)
MP is far more overwhelming and intimidating, so August probably has far more MP.(No one ever looks twice at Zeref's meager MP)

Only stat Zeref isnt outclassed in is durability cause of his immortality, and even thats not necessarily true since August will take no damage at all from any non physical attack from Zeref(and as we've seen, physically, Zeref isnt even on Jacob's level)

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

I dunno man, killing a cripple is hardly impressive, i maintain that oneshotting Neinhart is still a far better feat.

As for what feats rival Zeref's, August has plently that not only rival but blow his out of the water.
Overwhelming Gildarts in a physical confrontation. So August physical strength and skill>>>Zeref's(got overpowered by base Natsu)
Blitzing Gildarts with Meteor. August speed>>>Zeref's(Slower than base Natsu)
MP is far more overwhelming and intimidating, so August probably has far more MP.(No one ever looks twice at Zeref's meager MP)

Only stat Zeref isnt outclassed in is durability cause of his immortality, and even thats not necessarily true since August will take no damage at all from any non physical attack from Zeref(and as we've seen, physically, Zeref isnt even on Jacob's level)

Hmmm.... I do agree that August has better CQC than Zeref. But in terms of magic abilities, Zeref has the edge which I think is more important.

As for speed, it's true that August is faster but I don't think this is necessarily a game changer. If August can't penetrate Zeref's durability, then blitzing him is useless.

Of all your points, I have to disagree with MP though. Both wizards were portrayed to have an immense amount of magic power. For Zeref, it was back in Tenrou. Therefore, I would say it's unclear who has more but I'm still leaning more towards Zeref because of how long he has lived.

 

[Seven777]

Hmmm.... I do agree that August has better CQC than Zeref. But in terms of magic abilities, Zeref has the edge which I think is more important.

As for speed, it's true that August is faster but I don't think this is necessarily a game changer. If August can't penetrate Zeref's durability, then blitzing him is useless.

Of all your points, I have to disagree with MP though. Both wizards were portrayed to have an immense amount of magic power. For Zeref, it was back in Tenrou. Therefore, I would say it's unclear who has more but I'm still leaning more towards Zeref because of how long he has lived.

But August has superior magical abilities anyway, plus he is immune to Zeref's magical abilities.

How is blitzing useless? It means that even if Zeref had the power to damage August, the chances of Zeref hitting him are slim.

The fact that Zeref's mp hasnt scared anyone since Tenrou should tell us all we need about how much he has compared to August.

 

[Arjuna]

The fact that Zeref's mp hasnt scared anyone since Tenrou should tell us all we need about how much he has compared to August.

This i disagree with.Even though i am pretty unsure about this battle and leave it to you guys to interpret but Zeref is definetly above August in MP.

August and Irene both of them admitted that if Zeref gets FH only he will be able to defeat Acnologia.So they indirectly admitted that even if they get FH they will not be able to defeat Acnologia like Zeref thereby proving Zeref is stronger in M.P. than either of them.

In Tenrou Team Natsu was scared by Brandish's M.P.But does this mean Brandish is also above Zeref because they were scared by her but not his.

Lastly,Brandish in chap 500 said they can't defeat Alvarez because they have Irene,August and above all Zeref.She also admitted Zeref is the strongest.

 

[Seven777]

This i disagree with.Even though i am pretty unsure about this battle and leave it to you guys to interpret but Zeref is definetly above August in MP.

August and Irene both of them admitted that if Zeref gets FH only he will be able to defeat Acnologia.So they indirectly admitted that even if they get FH they will not be able to defeat Acnologia like Zeref thereby proving Zeref is stronger in M.P. than either of them.

In Tenrou Team Natsu was scared by Brandish's M.P.But does this mean Brandish is also above Zeref because they were scared by her but not his.

Lastly,Brandish in chap 500 said they can't defeat Alvarez because they have Irene,August and above all Zeref.She also admitted Zeref is the strongest.

I personally chalk most of that up to Zeref's immortality, especially the Fairy Heart part. FH's power is enormous, but unless you can survive long enough to use it, its useless. Zeref is the perfect and likely only candidate thanks to the enormous advantage immortality gives him.

 

[Arjuna]

I personally chalk most of that up to Zeref's immortality, especially the Fairy Heart part. FH's power is enormous, but unless you can survive long enough to use it, its useless. Zeref is the perfect and likely only candidate thanks to the enormous advantage immortality gives him.

I doubt that only immortality will help isn't it?


If he doesn't have enough M.P. then he will not be able to create spells with enough D.C. to defeat Acnologia.FH can only increase Zeref's M.P. to a point where he has the potential to defeat Acnologia.But FH can't increase August or Irene's M.P. to a point where they can replicate the same feat.

So this proves they have lower M.P. than Zeref.

 

[Seven777]

I doubt that only immortality will help isn't it?


If he doesn't have enough M.P. then he will not be able to create spells with enough D.C. to defeat Acnologia.FH can only increase Zeref's M.P. to a point where he has the potential to defeat Acnologia.But FH can't increase August or Irene's M.P. to a point where they can replicate the same feat.

So this proves they have lower M.P. than Zeref.

Not really, the wizards are being given the MP by Fairy Heart, the amount they already have shouldnt be much of a factor. The only things that should matter for the wielder of Fairy Heart are skill, knowledge of magic and the ability to survive(something Zeref specialises in). MP shouldnt matter much since FH is an infinite supply.

 

[Arjuna]

Not really, the wizards are being given the MP by Fairy Heart, the amount they already have shouldnt be much of a factor. The only things that should matter for the wielder of Fairy Heart are skill, knowledge of magic and the ability to survive(something Zeref specialises in). MP shouldnt matter much since FH is an infinite supply.

But the M.P. they will recieve from FH will not erase their own M.P.

Suppose for example Zeref has 10000 MP.Let the Mp. of FH be X.So if he recieves FH his M.P. will be 10000 + X.

Let's say August has M.P.(for my argument i am assuming August has less M.P. than Zeref) of 9000.

But if he recieves FH his M.P. will be 9000 + X


I doubt this is infinite because if it was infinite there would not have any doubt that Zeref will beat Acnologia if he gets it.It's more an assumption by Mavis.

Last but not the least all final villains tend to have the largest M.P.Zero,Hades,Future Rogue and Mard Geer.And Zeref is the final villain of Alvarez Empire.

 

[Natsu Goatneel]

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what u guys r not understanding is even if he isn't serious how can a weaker version of natsu till able to go toe to toe with zeref who is having "fun". he wasn't serious vs a BKDM natsu. To me those attacks shouldn't be putting starches on u. That's like saying Lucy can do the same to zeref even if he wasnt serious. His unname attack scar natsu but who says that natsu durability is on par with august? Natsu has great durability but august is much greater so it's debatable if that would have hurt august. August is above base natsu so he can just use meteor to blitz zeref or use crash magic. Ultear was able to put down a sealed zeref. AGAIN don't get me wrong I know zeref>august but his current feats isn't gonna beat august. Also when was zeref going toe to toe with BDKM natsu? All I remember was natsu dominating Zeref (not serious of course) can some1 show me panels?

Seems pretty equal to me. In fact, it looks as tho casual(non bloodlusted) Zeref is equal to Enraged Igneel Boosted Natsu

Now can someone show me a panel of August moving this fast during CQC? If not I'm inclined to believe Zeref blitzes August horribly.

 

[LaGOAT]

Hmmm.... I do agree that August has better CQC than Zeref. But in terms of magic abilities, Zeref has the edge which I think is more important.

As for speed, it's true that August is faster but I don't think this is necessarily a game changer. If August can't penetrate Zeref's durability, then blitzing him is useless.

Of all your points, I have to disagree with MP though. Both wizards were portrayed to have an immense amount of magic power. For Zeref, it was back in Tenrou. Therefore, I would say it's unclear who has more but I'm still leaning more towards Zeref because of how long he has lived.

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Seems pretty equal to me. In fact, it looks as tho casual(non bloodlusted) Zeref is equal to Enraged Igneel Boosted Natsu

Now can someone show me a panel of August moving this fast during CQC? If not I'm inclined to believe Zeref blitzes August horribly.

forgot about that panel that changing everything zeref wins high-low diff

 

[Seven777]

But the M.P. they will recieve from FH will not erase their own M.P.

Suppose for example Zeref has 10000 MP.Let the Mp. of FH be X.So if he recieves FH his M.P. will be 10000 + X.

Let's say August has M.P.(for my argument i am assuming August has less M.P. than Zeref) of 9000.

But if he recieves FH his M.P. will be 9000 + X


I doubt this is infinite because if it was infinite there would not have any doubt that Zeref will beat Acnologia if he gets it.It's more an assumption by Mavis.

Last but not the least all final villains tend to have the largest M.P.Zero,Hades,Future Rogue and Mard Geer.And Zeref is the final villain of Alvarez Empire.

If its infinity then 10000+infinity is still infinity

FH being infinite doesnt make it an auto-win, it only provides MP. It doesnt change the fact that Zeref(or whoever uses it) is still just a puny human while Acnologia is a giant dragon, and the strongest one at that. Acnologia could(and probably would) still decimate Zeref with pure physical might despite the MP disadvantage.

Zeref isnt the final villain, Alvarez arc is the last arc right? Which means Acnologia is the final villain or possibly FH Zeref depending on how his plans go.

 

[Kay3795]

The boss teach his subordinate Aizen style.

 

[Arjuna]

Zeref isnt the final villain, Alvarez arc is the last arc right? Which means Acnologia is the final villain or possibly FH Zeref depending on how his plans go.

Technically neither Hades nor Mard Geer were the final villain as Acnologia appeared both times.But they were still the strongest in M.P. or C.P. in their groups.Zeref is in a similar position to either of them now.

 

[Seven777]

Technically neither Hades nor Mard Geer were the final villain as Acnologia appeared both times.But they were still the strongest in M.P. or C.P. in their groups.Zeref is in a similar position to either of them now.

Except Acno wasnt defeated in any of those arcs. You cant be the final boss of an arc if you dont get beaten by the end of it.

Here's how it is for me, if Zeref starts ripping into Natsu and proves he's the beast you claim him to be then fine, he beats August. But looking at the chump who's getting his shit kicked in by base Natsu? Nah, August low-mid diffs this guy.
Zeref's durability is leagues upon leagues above August's due to his immortality sure, but thats it, and since August is immune to all Zeref's non physical attacks it doesnt really matter.

 

[Arjuna]

Except Acno wasnt defeated in any of those arcs. You cant be the final boss of an arc if you dont get beaten by the end of it.

Here's how it is for me, if Zeref starts ripping into Natsu and proves he's the beast you claim him to be then fine, he beats August. But looking at the chump who's getting his shit kicked in by base Natsu? Nah, August low-mid diffs this guy.
Zeref's durability is leagues upon leagues above August's due to his immortality sure, but thats it, and since August is immune to all Zeref's non physical attacks it doesnt really matter.

Well as i said earlier i personally am not sure who will win this match and leave it to you guys to interpret.

I was saying Zeref's MP>August's MP.And high M.P. doesn't mean you will win the match.Take Neinhart and Jacob for example.

 

[Natsu Goatneel]

Except Acno wasnt defeated in any of those arcs. You cant be the final boss of an arc if you dont get beaten by the end of it.

Here's how it is for me, if Zeref starts ripping into Natsu and proves he's the beast you claim him to be then fine, he beats August. But looking at the chump who's getting his shit kicked in by base Natsu? Nah, August low-mid diffs this guy.
Zeref's durability is leagues upon leagues above August's due to his immortality sure, but thats it, and since August is immune to all Zeref's non physical attacks it doesnt really matter.

Zeref blitzes August horribly due to feats from the Igneel Natsu fight

They have the 2nd best speed feats in the manga

 

[Seven777]

Zeref blitzes August horribly due to feats from the Igneel Natsu fight

They have the 2nd best speed feats in the manga

Nah, the speed in the Ignatsu vs Zeref fight wasnt anything impressive. The panel was zoomed out, and we have no idea what was actually going on, though considering how hard Natsu was blitzing Zeref before, i can guess. But the panel didnt really focus on either character moving fast. Imo that panel was more about portraying the scale of the fight rather than the speed of the actual combatants. The fact that Zeref right now is getting his shit kicked in by base Natsu pretty much confirms it for me. As it stands Zeref is slower than Jacob, though i might change my mind if Zeref actually does something other than tank attacks with his immortality.

 

[Jko]

Zeref was stated to be above all S12s. He ruled with iron fist and put the S12s in check before. Zeref should win.

 

[Doughboy]

Zeref could probably solo the entire S12, deadass too. Feats or not he beats August