Discussion Zoro and Sanji

[Fox666]

They didnt knock each other out, the damage they have is the same as when Nami punishes them, but in their dream they knocked each other out.

Anyway it looks like every pen request is legit in your eyes? ........................OK buddy

So your argument would be that

1 - Nami did it

2 - The cover page is a fan request

?

 

[Shasha23]

So your argument would be that

1 - Nami did it

2 - The cover page is a fan request

?

How can Zoro put a bump on Sanji with Wado Ichimonji?

 

[Aliocha]

Same they said when they fought against Kaku and Jabra, that they are equal while it couldnt be further away from the truth...
Jabra is fodder to Zoro, has nothing to defend against him while Kaku would make a mincemeat out of Sanji...

But do you think that Queen is also a fodder for zoro?

 

[nik87]

But do you think that Queen is also a fodder for zoro?

Based on what we saw so far it comes down to whether Queen can hit Zoro with his plague or not. If he does, he probably wins.
If he doesnt and if he doesnt put those two swords on his hips to use, he receives same treatment like Kamazou.
So far, he didn't demonstrate any swordplay and didn't show his hybrid form nor how he makes use of the plague.
It may be too early to judge Queen but he may very well be easy one-shot material.

 

[Aliocha]

I think that you have some sword fetish

 

[Fox666]

How can Zoro put a bump on Sanji with Wado Ichimonji?

You would have to ask the author...

At least when their zombies fought the fight "ended" like this

 

[nik87]

I think that you have some sword fetish

Who has shown the ability to fight longer with Zoro?
People who either are swordsmen(edit: weapon users) or have an ability to avoid the sword.
So, what do you expect from Queen? To take clean slices from Zoro and not be one-shot material?

 

[M3J]

Same they said when they fought against Kaku and Jabra, that they are equal while it couldnt be further away from the truth...
Jabra is fodder to Zoro, has nothing to defend against him while Kaku would make a mincemeat out of Sanji...

Jabra doesn't have swords to deal with Zoro while Kaku does, although I doubt he'd beat Sanji easily at all.

Doffy, Vergo, Niji, ect Sanji has been a hype toll but thats different now because he has his RS.

Those have been debunked and proven to be BS excuses to make Sanji look inferior.

 

[King Moe]

All I am saying they are forever equals and rivals as shown as many evidence Oda still sees that. Didn't we had a fight with Base Sanji vs Enma Zoro few chapters go with Zoro being salty from Sanji's insult which is got sense to it given Zoro's durability and stamina issues lol.

If Oda still having them fight and argue like that with usual of Nami getting between their fights, Oda has made it clear the 2 forever see each other that. Plus Sanji's fight portrayal been good lately compare to Zoro bad 4 fights which many still holding him down for especially Hawkins and Kamazou ones. Just saying the truth .

 

[hokageji]

It is a fan request.

Yes, it is a fan request but Oda could've shown them actually fighting it out, or even Zoro triumphant. He didnt, he showed them both imagining each other winning. I get that the cover page isnt proof of them being equals, but its proof that Oda is portraying a rivalry between them.

They are not rival, they just dont like each other all this started because Sanji thought Zoro said Nami had small bobs, before that they never had problems.
Of cause Sanji will always be relative to Zoro and Luffy, he has always been from the moment he joint, but after time skip Luffy and Zoro pulled away thats the whole reason Sanji had to get the RS that boosts his stats, since he has had the RS no one can argue Sanji is close to Zoro and Luffy again but before....................NOPE, without it he lost to everyone he had ever fought in the NW except Yonji

I do agree that the new world has been a disappointment in the way Sanji has been portrayed. Its true for all the strawhats except Luffy, but its worst for Sanji.

Your reasoning is poor . Lost to everyone, really? So would you say Zoro lost to Kyoshiro? No you wouldnt, cos that wasnt a complete battle.

Sanji vs Vergo, that was one moment and an incomplete battle. Sanji beat Yonji, would've gotten away beating Judge who is the strongest.

Against Niji, he was warned if he fought back, they'll keep Zeff which is why he stopped. Not a battle again.

 

[King Moe]

Yes, it is a fan request but Oda could've shown them actually fighting it out, or even Zoro triumphant. He didnt, he showed them both imagining each other winning. I get that the cover page isnt proof of them being equals, but its proof that Oda is portraying a rivalry between them.


I do agree that the new world has been a disappointment in the way Sanji has been portrayed. Its true for all the strawhats except Luffy, but its worst for Sanji.

Your reasoning is poor . Lost to everyone, really? So would you say Zoro lost to Kyoshiro? No you wouldnt, cos that wasnt a complete battle.

Sanji vs Vergo, that was one moment and an incomplete battle. Sanji beat Yonji, would've gotten away beating Judge who is the strongest.

Against Niji, he was warned if he fought back, they'll keep Zeff which is why he stopped. Not a battle again.

Not really that disappointing. Sanji lacks to ending fights, but fight record been solid. Zoro however never beat credible foe. It always been Luffy dealing and having great fights thus far. Wano will be start of everyone getting their shine a whole lot more.

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Am I hard to understand? Didn't realize. I'll try to be better

It's a joke. You are understandable lol.

 

[hokageji]

Not really that disappointing. Sanji lacks to ending fights, but fight record been solid. Zoro however never beat credible foe. It always been Luffy dealing and having great fights thus far. Wano will be start of everyone getting their shine a whole lot more.

Well it has been disappointing. WCI should've had a Sanji one on one. You're making the point itself when you say he's lacked proper ending to his fights.

Zoro atleast has had one credible foe in the form of Pica. Sanji's fought Oven, Daifuku and Vergo who are all probably higher than Pica in strengths or bounties, but didnt have a conclusive end to it.

Like i said, all the strawhats are missing them but to an extent, atleast Franky and Zoro got a proper one on one. Sanji hasnt.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Well it has been disappointing. WCI should've had a Sanji one on one. You're making the point itself when you say he's lacked proper ending to his fights.

Zoro atleast has had one credible foe in the form of Pica. Sanji's fought Oven, Daifuku and Vergo who are all probably higher than Pica in strengths or bounties, but didnt have a conclusive end to it.

Like i said, all the strawhats are missing them but to an extent, atleast Franky and Zoro got a proper one on one. Sanji hasnt.

Do you not count Sanji defeating Page 1 as a solid win for him?

I'm just curious. Some people dont

 

[hokageji]

Am I hard to understand? Didn't realize. I'll try to be better

You do mix "your" and "you're" plenty of times, but that's actually quite common and perhaps an autocorrect thing too.

 

[Pirate Queen]

You do mix "your" and "you're" plenty of times, but that's actually quite common and perhaps an autocorrect thing too.

That I will blame on autocorrect. I dont use punctuation marks because I'm fighting against the system and everything the establishment values

 

[hokageji]

Do you not count Sanji defeating Page 1 as a solid win for him?

I'm just curious. Some people dont

Aah, somehow I ignore RS Sanji as the same character. I am not sure if i should even call it a conclusion cos it was off-paneled. But it definitely didnt get the same hype Zoro got. After Zoro's fight, we saw Oda show a nice little flashback of how he gained haki training. I would've liked to see something which clearly suggests that Page One is out of commission.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Aah, somehow I ignore RS Sanji as the same character. I am not sure if i should even call it a conclusion cos it was off-paneled. But it definitely didnt get the same hype Zoro got. After Zoro's fight, we saw Oda show a nice little flashback of how he gained haki training. I would've liked to see something which clearly suggests that Page One is out of commission.

Gotcha see it just depends on who you ask and how you rank Page One.

Some consider it a feat... others want a proven panel before a decision is made.

 

[King Moe]

Well it has been disappointing. WCI should've had a Sanji one on one. You're making the point itself when you say he's lacked proper ending to his fights.

Zoro atleast has had one credible foe in the form of Pica. Sanji's fought Oven, Daifuku and Vergo who are all probably higher than Pica in strengths or bounties, but didnt have a conclusive end to it.

Like i said, all the strawhats are missing them but to an extent, atleast Franky and Zoro got a proper one on one. Sanji hasnt.

It was never meant to be fighting and dominate arc though. That's fan's ideas. Sanji did have fights, just not concluded ones. It was about giving layers and development to his character.

No he doesn't. Pica was shit tier terrible. He ran and hide. Never was good fight even. Plus Zoro needed help of Orlumbus and Elizabetho to beat him. So wasn't a true one on one from start to finish. Zoro has shown much compare to Sanji who can fight off bigger league opponents without needing to end them.

Franky did have solid matchup of someone his size. Though Zoro wasn't really good one compare to that. Sanji beaten PO, Yonji, etc.. He has credible threats beaten. Zoro hasn't at all.

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Gotcha see it just depends on who you ask and how you rank Page One.

Some consider it a feat... others want a proven panel before a decision is made.

It's a feat. Page One is gone for good. No sense to being him back if Law and Sanji stated he needed to go down to hurt their forces. Same vibe with Pica and honestly better fight as rather have close up fight than Pica running away and chopping rocks as entertainment when that pre-timeskip stuff for days.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

So you are saying Zoro is inferior because his opponent ran from him instead of making a Sanji and run from him without finishing him off?

 

[M3J]

Why are we assuming Page One is gone for good? Sanji killed him?