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But who ever said Zoro never lost a fight or can't lose a fight...?

I don't have to accept other opinions. All I have to do is be respectful to others that's it.

I'm challenging your bombastic statements and rhetoric of Zoro isn't all that great; Which is only happening because of the the backlash I guess one of your favorite character has gotten. It only comes from you dude, that's why it's a troll. You do it as a tit for tat thig, wit the characters, it's wack.

You say fans act like Zoro is immune??....Like How??!! you try to shine this negative light on non existent issues, about the character….Zoro has not lost a fight in the NW.....
Dude called you out you were brushing his loses like he never lost a fight when he does.

Alright then.

Not really, only you certain few acting out of it and there are others coming to defense against your rhetoric on how your acting. Not trolling from my side, but your acting like it as you can't take opinions even on Zoro's side when they are true of him losing a fight.

They do. You should seen stuff I hear about him lately. Fans even think he is stronger than Luffy which shows that there are many overhype things about him that are not true. Zoro has lost fights in NW as he lost it technically to Fishman Island Pirates as he was captured along with Usopp and Brook. He lost to Yeti Brothers, and latest he has an poor showing with Hawkins in a fight too. Zoro has his moments of losing or struggle, he isn't going to breeze opponents down at all which is what a lot of us want as we want to see Zoro struggle again, not be Gary-Sue on easily beating characters.
 

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...you can't casually brush aside Zoro losing to Kuma both times, once in Thriller Bark, and once in Sabaody. He lost, and that directly led to his asking his "enemy" to train him. I think that's when Zoro realized how naive his proclamation was. "I'll never lose again" was easier to say then to do once he saw just how strong the new world would be. Same with Luffy.
Pretty sure that was said regarding Swordsmen, not all fights. Don't think Zoro has lost one fight to a Swordsman save Mihawk.
 

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I am fine either way, but just saying Zoro needs it to feel like how he was pre-timeskip. He need challenges that cause him to struggle or lose in the first round. One of the reasons fans became fans of Zoro is how he struggles and have good fights out of it especially for his dream, but lately he just been breezing through weaker enemies and doesn't seem capable handling serious one when he interacts with them. He truly need some work on that and hopefully maybe Oda is going that direction to feel like same before.
How did you come to that conclusion exactly?

I don't see Zoro losing in a straight up swordsman fight as he said right after being slashed by Mihawk the great that he'd never lose again until the day he is strong enough to challenge him again
 

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How did you come to that conclusion exactly?

I don't see Zoro losing in a straight up swordsman fight as he said right after being slashed by Mihawk the great that he'd never lose again until the day he is strong enough to challenge him again
For character development and redemption as his pride as a swordsman. I didn't think this way, but after the theory of his swords stolen, we don't know what Oda has in store and it might he possible since not many expected that.

Huh? He still loses fight even before that speech. What you mean? It won't damage his really as he already lost prior in pre-timeskip and on post-timeskip. Where you get idea Zoro never lose before? Cause he has lost fights before and after the promise.
 

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For character development and redemption as his pride as a swordsman. I didn't think this way, but after the theory of his swords stolen, we don't know what Oda has in store and it might he possible since not many expected that.

Huh? He still loses fight even before that speech. What you mean? It won't damage his really as he already lost prior in pre-timeskip and on post-timeskip. Where you get idea Zoro never lose before? Cause he has lost fights before and after the promise.
I was asking how you came to the conclusion that Zoro "doesn't seem capable handling serious one when he interacts with them."

If you did read my post you'd see that I said that zoro never lost a swords fight since mihawk not a fight in general which is true.

Maybe he will lose in the future but right now he has kept his swordsman pride intact
 

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Moe has weird expectations. He expected Zoro to handle Hawkins while escaping on Komainu and he needs to explain how someone handles someone while escaping and he expected Zoro to handle an Admiral in an arc where the goal was not to fight an admiral. That's his headcanon which people dont get but he somehow holds it against Zoro, for whatever reason...
Gonna get swarm again like last time on the other topic with your personal mindset. Got give flaws on Zoro, he isn't perfect it.

Hawkins and Fujitora put him in bad showing when neither was taking him seriously. Nothing inserts them in good fashion no matter how hard you guys try to denied it at all. Never expected him to win neither fights as they privets stronger than guys like you who was expected Zoro to take them down especially Hawkins, but got proven wrong.

Idk why you want perfection of Zoro when he isn't.
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I was asking how you came to the conclusion that Zoro "doesn't seem capable handling serious one when he interacts with them."

If you did read my post you'd see that I said that zoro never lost a swords fight since mihawk not a fight in general which is true.

Maybe he will lose in the future but right now he has kept his swordsman pride intact
Same way as you guys judge as your put same logic on 'certain character' in his fights despite his fights ended in interruption or has hold back due situational events.

You worded weirdly as you make it sound like as a swordsman, he can't lose any fights which he has already has to certain individuals.

Losing your sword to a random character just lost your pride as swordsman. Tell that to Mihawk and see how he reacts after telling Zoro precious it is to not lose your blades. His pride is getting hurt by this as Idk where you get he is all fine on the situation.
 

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When Zoro sent a flying slash at Fujitora, it caused the Admiral to move back a little bit and he even complimented its strength

When Mihawk sent an even larger slash at Whitebeard, Jozu blocked it without even moving and inch nor did he compliment the attack

Since Fujitora>Jozu that means that...
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Zoro>Mihawk


Good game everyone. You can all go home or log off or whatever.
 

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Pretty sure Zoro would likely lose to high tiered swordsmen like Vista, Mihawk, Shanks, and likely Shiryuu right now, but who knows. Other than that though, I don't see 95% of his swordsmen opponents walking away without a permanent injury or scar.
 

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If Zoro has loses under his belt Pre-TS...& Post Time Skip let his guard down around Yeti I Cool bros, he was pressured by Fujitora & while escaping to help Beast tamer girl from Wano Hawkins drew a tarot card capable of matching Zoo's strength & slightly injured him.........You don't knoe what a Gary Sue is...Your honestly juss a hater bro..

Zoo's swords being stolen....Lmfao, lost of pride shame on his swordsmanship...Lmfao somebody trolling again. Zoro got his stuff stolen not by force, not by unfortunate mishap..They are just missing, similar to when those fairy things..(can't remember what we call the Lil smurfs)......If you weren't a troll ppl would actually engage with you on this point, BUT nope. Can't take you seriously, ODA is obviously setting something up for Zoro..this is not a blemish to any record what so ever...

Zoro post time skip doesn't preform well against strong opponents......LMFAO. Somehow you've reached this conclusion for Zoro, and have closed your eyes towards your fav character who hasn't fought strong opponents..Yet he still preformed badly...Boy oh Boy, your logic is so heavily flawed.

Zoro fought back against Fujitora DF ability with pure brute strength; & Hawkins lost 3 lives against Zoro while only injuring him whike he was fleeing..

Zoro is written purposefully by Oda to have gotten that much stronger. He's capable of owning ppl like Pica, someone you need post G3 lv techniques to destroy. & is looking like he can rumble on even grounds with the other Supernova Captains
 

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You are just jealous because an admiral never complimented Sanji's strength. ;) Zoro never actually lost after Mihawk, not in a real contest. You just misunderstand things.
One of Zoro's best scenes was losing to Mihawk...it's his iconic early moment...not sure what you are talking about with that line.

(and there's not shame in that, he was still a rookie, Mihawk saw enough in him not to kill him,and he's probably getting very close to Mihawk level now. But he did lose to him! Don't answer a bad argument with your own, it hurts your argument.)
 

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One of Zoro's best scenes was losing to Mihawk...it's his iconic early moment...not sure what you are talking about with that line.

(and there's not shame in that, he was still a rookie, Mihawk saw enough in him not to kill him,and he's probably getting very close to Mihawk level now. But he did lose to him! Don't answer a bad argument with your own, it hurts your argument.)
Read again what I wrote.
 

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Off-screen on Zoro's fight with Benkin. Calling it and I feel he might get defeated or put in struggle situation more as he search for his missing sword. Not saying right away nor 100% convince it happen, but it's obvious Oda has something plan deeper on Zoro's character and with his limited blades, if he face an serious opponent, it might end badly for him again.
 

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Off-screen on Zoro's fight with Benkin. Calling it and I feel he might get defeated or put in struggle situation more as he search for his missing sword. Not saying right away nor 100% convince it happen, but it's obvious Oda has something plan deeper on Zoro's character and with his limited blades, if he face an serious opponent, it might end badly for him again.
Nah, i think this fight is more plot oriented than the Sanji vs PO, so it will be on panel, but I just think it will end when they start talking and realizing it's a misunderstanding.
 

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Nah, i think this fight is more plot oriented than the Sanji vs PO, so it will be on panel, but I just think it will end when they start talking and realizing it's a misunderstanding.
Idk as Zoro not main focus much. Don't see it taking more panels and mauve lead to that, but fight will be off-screen more.
 

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Off-screen on Zoro's fight with Benkin. Calling it and I feel he might get defeated or put in struggle situation more as he search for his missing sword. Not saying right away nor 100% convince it happen, but it's obvious Oda has something plan deeper on Zoro's character and with his limited blades, if he face an serious opponent, it might end badly for him again.
Dear Moe kun,

It seems you were proven wrong again darling. Zoro won again.

Sincerly
 

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Idk as Zoro not main focus much. Don't see it taking more panels and mauve lead to that, but fight will be off-screen more.
Looks like i was right! And they both went to save the women, so it will definitely be a "now we are allies" moment. Zoro getting impaled is like Sanji getting a cracked bone to be, not a big deal. Especially in this case since Zoro took his scythe and beat him after.
 

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Dear Moe kun,

It seems you were proven wrong again darling. Zoro won again.

Sincerly
When I said I was sure the fight would end in Zoro's defeat? Look back at my post as I said struggle and type fight could end quickly which it did. Also you act like his solo adventure is over now. I said through the course he could get damage or defeated until he gets his sword back and redemption. So far I got injury part, so actually win lol.

His side isn't over so we see how it goes, but my theories and prediction that Benkin fight won't last or off-screen was correct ;).
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Looks like i was right! And they both went to save the women, so it will definitely be a "now we are allies" moment. Zoro getting impaled is like Sanji getting a cracked bone to be, not a big deal. Especially in this case since Zoro took his scythe and beat him after.
Of course, its in the middle of a fight. Though he is going to need medical treatment afterwards and groan to the pain next chapter. His journey for his sword is not over and we might see more fights and struggles for him later on.
 

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When I said I was sure the fight would end in Zoro's defeat? Look back at my post as I said struggle and type fight could end quickly which it did. Also you act like his solo adventure is over now. I said through the course he could get damage or defeated until he gets his sword back and redemption. So far I got injury part, so actually win lol.

His side isn't over so we see how it goes, but my theories and prediction that Benkin fight won't last or off-screen was correct ;).
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Of course, its in the middle of a fight. Though he is going to need medical treatment afterwards and groan to the pain next chapter. His journey for his sword is not over and we might see more fights and struggles for him later on.
Uh...i"m pretty sure Zoro just took care of the guy. and since the big guy was also trying to save the girl, they'll settle their differences and he'll get his sword back soon. He needs to visit Doctor Chopper. I don't think he'll struggle with anything for a bit.
 
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