Discussion Zoro Discussion Thread

[M3J]

Which would imply he won't be Zoro's opponent, but perhaps Brook's as Brook is a samurai, no?

 

[nik87]

@M3J From what I remember Brook isnt related to samurais at all, only his shadow was attached to Ryuuma who was a samurai.

 

[M3J]

Oh. I can't see Orochi fighting the likes of Kinemon unless he's stronger than one would assume. But then again, Zoro gains notoriety and backs up his claim of building an army by taking out Orochi easily enough. He was the only one who took out some guys of the underworld or something this chapter.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Which would imply he won't be Zoro's opponent, but perhaps Brook's as Brook is a samurai, no?

Brook, perhaps... I'm hoping for a non- Strawhat tho.

I'm just trying to get across that he may not even have the honor of a samurai, let alone the ruler of all Samurai.

 

[M3J]

Yeah, and that's why I thought someone like Brook would be more inclined to fight Orochi if he was a samurai as well, because honor and all. I'm just wondering if Zoro's a possible choice if Orochi's not strong enough, but we did see Zoro breeze through Hodi, and Luffy take on two underlings of the boss.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Yeah, and that's why I thought someone like Brook would be more inclined to fight Orochi if he was a samurai as well, because honor and all. I'm just wondering if Zoro's a possible choice if Orochi's not strong enough, but we did see Zoro breeze through Hodi, and Luffy take on two underlings of the boss.

We can't leave out the Orochi is just a Hype Tool for Zoro.

Like Zoro One-shots him, earning the respect of TRUE Samurai

 

[M3J]

Unless Orochi is strong to some degree, he won't do as a hype tool given how Zoro's breezed through opponents so far.

True samurai wouldn't respect Zoro for one-shotting a weakling though, would they? Orochi is probably surrounded by strong samurai that protect him that Zoro would have to beat, which leads to him earning the good samurai's respect.

 

[King Moe]

This isn't the first time Zoro face someone with a "quirky" at first, but can still have a good fight with. He face Hachi, Kaku, and certain characters and didn't seem to hurt his hype at the time. Orochi could be same despite his initial appearance.

 

[M3J]

Kaku was pretty hype and strong while Zoro was hurt when he fought Hachi.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

True samurai wouldn't respect Zoro for one-shotting a weakling though, would they? Orochi is probably surrounded by strong samurai that protect him that Zoro would have to beat, which leads to him earning the good samurai's respect.

We already saw how two samurai reacted to Zoros swordmanship in Dressrosa. When he sliced Pica up Kinemon and Kanjouro were quite shocked. If all of the samurais have a constant level of swordmanship with kinemon, Zoro will not only get their respect, but their children will grow up with a practicesword in their mouth. So i really hope Orochi isnt a jokecharacter.

If he has a hydralikefruit with selfregenerating heads, he could be quite some trouble. Zoro could slice him up like he wanted, but never really defeat him. (which would count for all swordusers in Wano). So even as a joke character, with the right fruit he could be a very bad matchup, just take buggy as example, we actually dont know if Hakislashes could hurt him badly, sure he would get his limb severed... but he could attach it again.

 

[King Moe]

Kaku was pretty hype and strong while Zoro was hurt when he fought Hachi.

Though everyone was expecting their designs to be cool than silly looking and didn't think they will good fight with Zoro. Oda prove that wrong. We shouldn't focus deep in design and just focus on character other traits to give a good fight.

 

[M3J]

We already saw how two samurai reacted to Zoros swordmanship in Dressrosa. When he sliced Pica up Kinemon and Kanjouro were quite shocked. If all of the samurais have a constant level of swordmanship with kinemon, Zoro will not only get their respect, but their children will grow up with a practicesword in their mouth. So i really hope Orochi isnt a jokecharacter.

If he has a hydralikefruit with selfregenerating heads, he could be quite some trouble. Zoro could slice him up like he wanted, but never really defeat him. (which would count for all swordusers in Wano). So even as a joke character, with the right fruit he could be a very bad matchup, just take buggy as example, we actually dont know if Hakislashes could hurt him badly, sure he would get his limb severed... but he could attach it again.

That's because Zoro sliced hard rocks continuously and consistently and cleanly, which showed his strength. If Pica was inside something as soft as a tree or something, they wouldn't have been shocked or surprised. Personally, I think Orochi would have to be seen as a strong samurai, even if he isn't, for them to be impressed with Zoro beating Orochi.

That is true and a good point, I forgot about that. Just like with Pica, Orochi could be vastly inferior and still difficult to take down because of his fruit.

Though everyone was expecting their designs to be cool than silly looking and didn't think they will good fight with Zoro. Oda prove that wrong. We shouldn't focus deep in design and just focus on character other traits to give a good fight.

But Orochi comes off as a coward too, so there's a chance he's not that strong.

 

[King Moe]

That's because Zoro sliced hard rocks continuously and consistently and cleanly, which showed his strength. If Pica was inside something as soft as a tree or something, they wouldn't have been shocked or surprised. Personally, I think Orochi would have to be seen as a strong samurai, even if he isn't, for them to be impressed with Zoro beating Orochi.

That is true and a good point, I forgot about that. Just like with Pica, Orochi could be vastly inferior and still difficult to take down because of his fruit.

But Orochi comes off as a coward too, so there's a chance he's not that strong.

True, but he could back it up. We have to wait and see as that could be just arrogance too.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Where seems Orochi to be a coward? He shoots a CP0 member, insults the other and makes a "come at me bro" statement to the entire WG. Aside from that he took down the ruling family years ago. Sure he had Kaidous help, but he doesnt seems to be a coward to me.

 

[afromarco005]

We can't leave out the Orochi is just a Hype Tool for Zoro.

Like Zoro One-shots him, earning the respect of TRUE Samurai

Oh no, Oda can not do this to us, we have been waiting for a proper zoro fight since pre skip.

 

[King Moe]

Oh no, Oda can not do this to us, we have been waiting for a proper zoro fight since pre skip.

If turns out like that, kinda enforced more Zoro always get weaker opponents unlike rest of the crew who face stronger ones and having trouble with actual serious ones. Hope Orochi power can be back up as not letting the design turn it down on what he can do.

 

[afromarco005]

If turns out like that, kinda enforced more Zoro always get weaker opponents unlike rest of the crew who face stronger ones and having trouble with actual serious ones. Hope Orochi power can be back up as not letting the design turn it down on what he can do.

the post TS zoro fights were boring whereas his pre TS ones were very entertaining

 

[King Moe]

the post TS zoro fights were boring whereas his pre TS ones were very entertaining

Exactly. I love it when he struggles. It gets more fight out of him and put more tension in the situation instead of him just effortlessly not trying harder due to having weaker opponents.

Hope Oda really get a fight out of Zoro in this arc that is he does in pre-timeskip.

 

[nik87]

Considering that Zoro is in possession of Wano's treasured sword Shusui makes me wonder if any notable swordsmen will challenge Zoro for that sword.
Kinemon said, during Dressrosa I believe, that he would challenge Zoro some day for ownership over Shusui but he doesnt look like an opponent who is able to best Zoro in swordsmanship.

There is a theory that Zoro may repeat what Oden once did - defeat Ashura Douji in a duel and with that win Shutenmaru over for the cause of defeating Kaido and Orochi.
Kyoshiro seems like a notable swordsman and seems cunning enough to want a treasured sword like Shusui so he may end up crossing swords with Zoro at some point.
I think Supernovas will probably end up as allies in the end but for now, they are enemies which after defeat may change sides. There could be a fight between Zoro and Hawkins since they clashed in Kuri already and Zoro looked interested in the fight.
Whether Orochi is a notable combatant or just a coward hiding behind Kaido's back remains to be seen but I'm guessing that he is a coward based on the use of a gun which is unfitting for a samurai. If he is strong then Zoro will likely cross his path.
King seems quite famous, even BM and her troops know of him and clashing with King 1vs1 seems like a big bite, maybe too big. I am guessing Zoro will team up with someone to defeat the Wildfire, maybe Brook or Kinemon.

If Zoro ends up beating all these possible opponents not much will be left for others.
If he doesn't get at least 3 fights I am gonna be mad at Oda.
Considering that this thread's original name was Hyping greatest swordsman Zoro, I guess i did well with this post.

 

[King Moe]

Sure he get his moments, hope he gets struggle fights like he used to in pre-timeskip as I miss those. Wonder if his swords will get stolen too as I am getting thieves vibe from that community of people. It be a turn of events especially his special sword from Kuina is stolen and face hardship out of it. Thinking Oda not letting him fight more is due to want develop his character and having his own struggles before coming back in. Hope to see that.

Don't bring that up. There a reason why the mods change the name so its a fair discussion of good and bad of Zoro. Not solely hyping him after all .