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Is It a Requirement for Zoro to have Conqueror's Haki?


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He's not stronger. He has superior swordsmanship/Swordplay.

Meaning in a sword duel Mihawk is stronger.
He's comparing them swordsmen wise.
Nope he is stronger, Mihawk hopes Zoro can surpass Shanks so he can be his new rival.
Shanks vivre card states outright he is a swordsman and a non DF user, he doesnt realy on any other form of fighting he is a swordsman who is not WSS because he is not STRONGER than Mihawk.

In the future Shanks will just be another stepping stone for Zoro nothing more.
 

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I'm going to say yes, but only because Ryuuma killed a dragon with Shusui, so it makes sense it is "possible". Can he do it right now, at this moment? No. But maybe.

See, I get the feeling we are in for two separate engagements, always have, in fact. Since start of Wano I believed we were in for a failed attempt at Kaido. And even the latest chapter supports the notion that they have new recruits to the cause who have not been freed up to join them. Zoro will likely succeed in taming Enma and possibly cut Kaido in this battle, but in the end it won't be enough.

He will respectfully request Shusui so he can fight properly, since he feels it's his blade, personally or something. Don't know. But it feels like the goal for taking it from him is the same for not freeing the samurai and other mine/factory prisoner slaves: Oda's setting up future fire/man power for the second attempt at Kaido's head.

This suspicion of Oda's intentions is what sways my opinion here. So far, Enma looks VASTLY superior to Shusui. But I just feel like there's some kind of plot-trope being invoked. Enma is probably being intended as a training mechanism. Could it be superior to Shusui? Sure, may end up that way. But that's why I mention the plot structure as my reasoning. We will see. I personally take Enma as an increased gravity training for Zoro. He will become more powerful with Enma, and then maybe Shusui will do something or awaken Bankai.

Still rooting for Wado Ichimonji to be the source of the Ashura. That, or Zoro has Ashuragan and just doesn't want to show off yet. Maybe Enma or Shusui will bring us more info on that? Or perhaps they (Enma and its twin) were mastered by Oden because he too had an Asura form? It's too cool a design for Oda to forget, obviously.

@Lexusflame , which is the correct spelling? Shusui or Shunsui? I always thought it was the former?
 

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Voted yes. Hurting Kaido is far from defeating Kaido. Oden hurt him too. And died.
@Admiral Teach Shusui, correct.
 

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Nope he is stronger, Mihawk hopes Zoro can surpass Shanks so he can be his new rival.
Shanks vivre card states outright he is a swordsman and a non DF user, he doesnt realy on any other form of fighting he is a swordsman who is not WSS because he is not STRONGER than Mihawk.

In the future Shanks will just be another stepping stone for Zoro nothing more.
Ok if you say so. This is Not the thread to challenge your statments. Nor do I think will Zoro have a significant bout with Shanks during the story.
 

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Fuck I voted yes because i only read the title and didn't see the keyword "currently".

Okay sorry for being a little grammar nazi here but I thought Shusui was spelt Shusui? XD

Personally, NO. Just NO. NO, Zoro cannot cut or hurt Kaido with Shusui right now. Or Enma. Or even Yoru. Idc if his blade can eat a zou zou fruit like Spandam's sword, Zoro is just not strong enough yet. Sure we haven't seen them fight but if Zoro cannot fight Onimaru (was that his name? Someome grammar nazi me plz) and Killer at the same time then he cannot hurt Kaido with anything. Gotta walk before you run.
 

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Fuck I voted yes because i only read the title and didn't see the keyword "currently".

Okay sorry for being a little grammar nazi here but I thought Shusui was spelt Shusui? XD

Personally, NO. Just NO. NO, Zoro cannot cut or hurt Kaido with Shusui right now. Or Enma. Or even Yoru. Idc if his blade can eat a zou zou fruit like Spandam's sword, Zoro is just not strong enough yet. Sure we haven't seen them fight but if Zoro cannot fight Onimaru (was that his name? Someome grammar nazi me plz) and Killer at the same time then he cannot hurt Kaido with anything. Gotta walk before you run.
You can change your vote. No worries
 

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Sword quality matters! This has been a thing since before they got to the grandline, and people thinking that Zoro can do anything with any sword are just being blind to the actual manga. If the actual sword didn't matter, there wouldn't have been sword grades made since before chapter 100!

(you know who else things the sword matters? ZORO! The character himself clearly does, so why are his fans pretending no, it doesn't, all swords are the same?)
 

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Had to change my vote to nothing. For some reason I read it wrong like Oxide. I personally feel my answer is outside the scope of the poll. Don't know. As it feels like I would honestly choose both for what I'm saying.

But I don't think Zoro can hurt Kaido with Enma yet either... he needs to defeat at least 1 strong foe first to get that last bit of experience in. Otherwise it just feels wasted and I would personally like to know why in the hell he did not ask Mihawk for a duel BEFORE he left his tutelage.
 

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No. Reasoning is basic and simple. Zoro << Luffy. So No, it's not that he cant hurt Kaido with Shunsui..its he isn't strong enough to use Shunsui to hurt Kaido as often.
 

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why are his fans pretending no, it doesn't, all swords are the same?
Because 4th grade Sandai Kitetsu has not been inferior to Shusui in any way so far. The degree of hardness in which they differ has never mattered before, I am not saying it may not matter against Kaido who is famous for breaking executioner weapons...
Because Mihawk said that any blade can become a black blade and even those fodder swords back then, if they were Kokutos, wouldnt have not broken against Mihawk himself.
We can bet that Enma will go back in line just like Shusui did and it wont be any different than other two blades.

No. Reasoning is basic and simple. Zoro << Luffy. So No, it's not that he cant hurt Kaido with Shunsui..its he isn't strong enough to use Shunsui to hurt Kaido as often.
How often is not what is being asked here. What's asked is if he can injure him at all. And I would add other two blades as well additionally to Shusui.
Zoro being far from Luffy is something yet to be clearly seen. Luffy flexed in WCI, an arc where Zoro wasnt present. In DR, Zoro was tasked with pushing a Plotcage without even being allowed to take a shot at Doffy and Oda didnt have any issues with trashing Law and Sanji against Doffy so the reason why he used an Admiral to babysit Doffy from Zoro is very questionable.
 

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Its not about strength its about haki, why are people saying Zoro isnt strong enough for this and that when the manga has clearly shown us his COA was far ahead of Luffy's.(before training)

So to answer the question, yes Zoro can cut Kaido with shusui!
 

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Its not about strength its about haki, why are people saying Zoro isnt strong enough for this and that when the manga has clearly shown us his COA was far ahead of Luffy's.(before training)

So to answer the question, yes Zoro can cut Kaido with shusui!
Zoro's haki would have to be stronger than Kaido's for him to cut him. You think it's stronger?
 

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Currently no, there would be no need for the Enma backstory otherwise. At the end of the arc no doubt.
 

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When has Zoro shown greater CoA than Luffy?? Post time skip?? What are these feats? Or Instances that allow ppl such speculation???

Zoro not enough haki to...not Zoro isn't strong enough to cut him?? Huh. Dude, CoA that can hurt Kaido. Is damn near being synonymous as having the strength. Haki grows on some Zenkai boost sh*t..So what are you really saying??

Shunsui* special attribute is that it's hard as hell being a black blade. But it was more so that it was heavy..As seen when Zoro used 1080 Pheonix, Shunsui flying blade would envelope the other flying slash and distort it to a spiral..as seen against OZ.

Enma seems to purposefully increase its users haki overtime. As it sucks out a large amount when being used, so a high volume and new control would be necessary.

Enma is superior to Shunsui. Shunsui is just more famous. Zoro isn't going to achieve such a feat with Shunsu8, nor could he. As ti why he has a blade that helps him release the power to do so.
 

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When has Zoro shown greater CoA than Luffy?? Post time skip?? What are these feats? Or Instances that allow ppl such speculation???
I want to understand this as well. I saw this and asked once or twice and still nowhere closer to understanding this... Isn't Ryou = Haki?

From what I understand its
1) Invisible Haki
2) Black coating
--- Katakuri version
3) Barrier
--- Flow
4) Advanced (from the inside)

I thought all Zoro has shown so far is the coating of his swords?
 

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I think we might be getting a little off topic

1. We are not talking about Zoro DEFEATING Kaido, just if Zoro can CURRENTLY pierce Kaido's scales

2. Enma should not be brought up because this post isnt about Enma at all.

The point of this is to see what people think of Zoro's ability to damage a Yonko that cannot be damage by normal means
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Its not about strength its about haki, why are people saying Zoro isnt strong enough for this and that when the manga has clearly shown us his COA was far ahead of Luffy's.(before training)

So to answer the question, yes Zoro can cut Kaido with shusui!
Luffy has stated multiple times he has to bypass Kaido's SCALES. Luffy hasn't once mentioned trying to overcome Kaido's haki. If it was a matter of haki I doubt he would be as impenetrable as he is.
 

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I want to understand this as well. I saw this and asked once or twice and still nowhere closer to understanding this... Isn't Ryou = Haki?

From what I understand its
1) Invisible Haki
2) Black coating
--- Katakuri version
3) Barrier
--- Flow
4) Advanced (from the inside)

I thought all Zoro has shown so far is the coating of his swords?
Zoro knows the flow haki. The 'flow and blast' haki is also an advanced form (or application) of haki but, granda Hyou said the destroying from the inside haki is more advanced than it.

Once Zoro coats his sword in it, he can blast it off the sword with a swing (or for better wording, release it off the sword since he's a swordsman)
 

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Zoro knows the flow haki. The 'flow and blast' haki is also an advanced form (or application) of haki but, granda Hyou said the destroying from the inside haki is more advanced than it.

Once Zoro coats his sword in it, he can blast it off the sword with a swing (or for better wording, release it off the sword since he's a swordsman)
I see, did he show this in Dressrossa? I thought the point of him using Haki on his swords was to stop them from getting chipped. Didn't know he actually knew flow.
 
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Nope he is stronger, Mihawk hopes Zoro can surpass Shanks so he can be his new rival.
Shanks vivre card states outright he is a swordsman and a non DF user, he doesnt realy on any other form of fighting he is a swordsman who is not WSS because he is not STRONGER than Mihawk.

In the future Shanks will just be another stepping stone for Zoro nothing more.
No, it doesn't. Oda has said he does not know how Shanks fight.
 

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I see, did he show this in Dressrossa? I thought the point of him using Haki on his swords was to stop them from getting chipped. Didn't know he actually knew flow.
He showed it at Punk hazard. His sword never touched Monet, but he was able to draw her blood despite her being logia.

He sent a flying slash attack. In that slash attack, there was haki present else he wouldn't have injured her. He was able to release the haki over that distance.
 
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