Discussion Zoro Discussion Thread

[M3J]

other than haki, can you tell me what Mihawk taught Zoro?

 

[Pirate Queen]

other than haki, can you tell me what Mihawk taught Zoro?

Swordsmanship, tf?

 

[King Moe]

Zoro is not gonna surpassed Roger in the slightest in EOS. Now that's too much wanking just because Roger is good with a sword, but not only thing he is. Don't see him facing Kaido after his past 4 fights. He isn't ready to take him nor has plot dictate he himself what to beat Kaido or damage him when he been into fighting Orochi more overall. Writing is dictating him going for Orochi side than Kaido side, so don't see him facing multiple fights after he had serious one. He isn't Luffy especially Luffy need time to rest heavily before facing multiple top opponents. He isn't doing that himself at all.

 

[Brandish μ]

But seeing as he is the only one racing, it doesn't matter overall.

In the end, my point is moot unless another person tries to get the title of WSS from Mihawk... which there hasnt

Yea I can see what you're saying, and there's credibility in exploring it. At least compared to PK, the WSS is a one-horse race. I suppose, Oda could have weaved in other swordsmen to compete with him - but I'm pretty satisfied for Zoro to beat strong opponents as someone who has to fight the second strongest person (usually) that the SH face. The problem is that we haven't seen Zoro get a good fight this side of the timeskip.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Yea I can see what you're saying, and there's credibility in exploring it. At least compared to PK, the WSS is a one-horse race. I suppose, Oda could have weaved in other swordsmen to compete with him - but I'm pretty satisfied for Zoro to beat strong opponents as someone who has to fight the second strongest person (usually) that the SH face. The problem is that we haven't seen Zoro get a good fight this side of the timeskip.

I agree completely and thank you for even considering what I say. Even of you may have a difference of opinion.

Zoro is definitely a beast and I have never stated otherwise and he will undoubtedly be the WSS and second only to Luffy EoS in the One Piece verse and that is my honest belief

 

[M3J]

Swordsmanship, tf?

oh I wasn't aware Zoro wasn't a swordsman who knew how to fight with swords until he trained with Mihawk, my bad.

 

[Pirate Queen]

oh I wasn't aware Zoro wasn't a swordsman who knew how to fight with swords until he trained with Mihawk, my bad.

I guess Zoro picked Mihawk to train him for the hell of it right? Him being the WSS had nothing to do with it?

Clown shit, buddy.

You know damn well Zoro's swordsmanship improved after training with Mihawk

 

[nik87]

No Sanji's dream is all blue, not to be the greatest chef.

And you yourself said PK isnt about strength and now your saying it is??? Lol

Bad trolling.
It's not the same.

Sanji wanted to make his crew stronger through food. He cant do that without recipes from Ivankov's kingdom.
You said he was an unparalleled chef. Seems like without the recipes he can be unparalleled all he wants but such cooking wasnt in his repertoire.

PK title doesnt represent strength indeed, especially not the strongest. Fact is he was too weak for the New World and without Rayleigh's training he would still be struggling with far inferior opponents. It is the same shortcut that Zoro received. They both got stronger. Not even sure what your point was with that...

 

[Pirate Queen]

Sanji wanted to make his crew stronger through food. He cant do that without recipes from Ivankov's kingdom.
You said he was an unparalleled chef. Seems like without the recipes he can be unparalleled all he wants but such cooking wasnt in his repertoire.

PK title doesnt represent strength indeed, especially not the strongest. Fact is he was too weak for the New World and without Rayleigh's training he would still be struggling with far inferior opponents. It is the same shortcut that Zoro received. They both got stronger. Not even sure what your point was with that...

We are talking about their dreams.... that YOU brought up.

Sanji to find All Blue
Luffy to become PK
Zoro to become WSS

Only 1 got a shortcut of the monster Trio and it was Zoro.

Straight fax buddy.

For months you've been on the campaign where your crying that PK isnt about strength at all and a now.... Luffy needs strength and Rayleigh shortcut his path to PK because it suits your arguement.

All you've done here is destroy your own argument and everyone reading this thread knows it. Your credibility here has take a major hit these past 2 weeks and your still going strong

 

[nik87]

Only 1 got a shortcut of the monster Trio and it was Zoro.

How comes? Are you saying Rayleigh's training isnt a shortcut or you are willing to revert Luffy to pre-TS training lvl and put him against ppl in NW to see how well he does without the shortcut, lol?
My argument has always been that it doesnt indicates the strongest character. As we have seen from Roger, he became PK without his strength playing a role.
My argument isnt destroyed. PK title doesnt represent strongest, nor strength. It represents Roger who walked into Raftel with fighting nobody for the RP nor anyone standing in his way.

My credibility is just fine. You tried to take a jab at Zoro but didn't count on it being a double-edged sword and affecting Sanjino and Luffione as well.
The fact is that Luffy can be PK without fighting anyone, just like Rogerboi did it. It's a different matter that he wants to fight Emperors and thus Rayleigh's training giving him an unfair advantage over others... Your argument works both ways so pick a street.

 

[Pirate Queen]

How comes? Are you saying Rayleigh's training isnt a shortcut or you are willing to revert Luffy to pre-TS training lvl and put him against ppl in NW to see how well he does without the shortcut, lol?
My argument has always been that it doesnt indicates the strongest character. As we have seen from Roger, he became PK without his strength playing a role.
My argument isnt destroyed. PK title doesnt represent strongest, nor strength. It represents Roger who walked into Raftel with fighting nobody for the RP nor anyone standing in his way.

My credibility is just fine. You tried to take a jab at Zoro but didn't count on it being a double-edged sword and affecting Sanjino and Luffione as well.
The fact is that Luffy can be PK without fighting anyone, just like Rogerboi did it. It's a different matter that he wants to fight Emperors and thus Rayleigh's training giving him an unfair advantage over others... Your argument works both ways so pick a street.

Making 2 counter productive comments in the same post

Lol

We are done here. Way to destroy your own arguement.

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Nobody wants to be the WSS and you think that is a jab at you lol. Empty title that no one cares about vs Pirate King.

If you that a jab at you, hit up Oda and have him change things up.

 

[nik87]

Making 2 counter productive comments in the same post

Lol

We are done here. Way to destroy your own arguement.

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Nobody wants to be the WSS and you think that is a jab at you lol. Empty title that no one cares about vs Pirate King.

If you that a jab at you, hit up Oda and have him change things up.

Your concession is accepted.

Nobody wants to be the WSS and you think that is a jab at you lol. Empty title that no one cares about vs Pirate King.
If you that a jab at you, hit up Oda and have him change things up.

No, no, you got it wrong again. Nothing about me.
Your point is that Zoro's training is a shortcut to his goal while at same time claiming that Luffy's training isnt a shortcut to his goal.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Your concession is accepted.


No, no, you got it wrong again. Nothing about me.
Your point is that Zoro's training is a shortcut to his goal while at same time claiming that Luffy's training isnt a shortcut to his goal.

Which is a fact.

Zoro is running a 1 man race and still needed a shortcut to the finish line

 

[nik87]

Which is a fact.
Zoro is running a 1 man race and still needed a shortcut to the finish line

I will one-up your false claims - Zoro's training isn't a shortcut while Luffy's is. Ha! Beat that.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I will one-up your false claims - Zoro's training isn't a shortcut while Luffy's is. Ha! Beat that.

Uno, game over

 

[HereNThere]

other than haki, can you tell me what Mihawk taught Zoro?

Zoro quite literally went to Mihawk and asked him to train him in swordsmanship. That was literally a panel in the manga. Zoro knows swordsmanship, but that doesn't mean he can't learn anything else about it, especially from someone who is known as the WSS.

 

[M3J]

I guess Zoro picked Mihawk to train him for the hell of it right? Him being the WSS had nothing to do with it?

Clown shit, buddy.

You know damn well Zoro's swordsmanship improved after training with Mihawk

Technically, Zoro probably wouldn't have picked Mihawk if Kuma didn't send him to Mihawk's home.

All I see is Zoro's swordsmanship involving haki now, but otherwise little to no change. Guess we'll see that when he gets an actual challenging fight.

Zoro quite literally went to Mihawk and asked him to train him in swordsmanship. That was literally a panel in the manga. Zoro knows swordsmanship, but that doesn't mean he can't learn anything else about it, especially from someone who is known as the WSS.

What did he learn though? how to dodge? New moves? What?

 

[HereNThere]

What did he learn though? how to dodge? New moves? What?

Like with the majority of the Strawhats, we haven't seen what they went through over those 2 years, so who knows. It could be some intricacies in the way of the sword that Zoro was unaware of. Could've pointed out some flaws in his techniques to allow him to strengthen them. There's a number of potential things. Why would he not learn anything about swordsmanship while hanging out with Mihawk? That wouldn't really make sense.

Oda wrote it so Zoro approached Mihawk to teach him about swordsmanship and Mihawk accepted him as his student. 2 in story years later, Zoro returned stronger with improved techniques. I don't think it needs to be directly pointed out that Zoro learned better sword techniques from the guy that's known as the World's Strongest Swordsman in the series.

 

[M3J]

Like with the majority of the Strawhats, we haven't seen what they went through over those 2 years, so who knows. It could be some intricacies in the way of the sword that Zoro was unaware of. Could've pointed out some flaws in his techniques to allow him to strengthen them. There's a number of potential things. Why would he not learn anything about swordsmanship while hanging out with Mihawk? That wouldn't really make sense.

Oda wrote it so Zoro approached Mihawk to teach him about swordsmanship and Mihawk accepted him as his student. 2 in story years later, Zoro returned stronger with improved techniques. I don't think it needs to be directly pointed out that Zoro learned better sword techniques from the guy that's known as the World's Strongest Swordsman in the series.

Because he's a great swordsman with his own style? At best, Mihawk could teach him one-sword style swordsmanship just in case. Hell, with Rayleigh Luffy only learned haki and did the rest on his own, so who's not to say the same happened to Zoro?

Improved techniques because of haki, as far as I recall. Learning better sword techniques is very broad and vague.

 

[Brandish μ]

Zoro definitely improved his swordsmanship under Mihawk. IIRC there are no new techniques, but upgrades - based on sword techniques seen.

I would say the improvement/basics in haki is the most important thing. All the flashbacks with Mihawk are about Haki. BUT, haki is also a part of swordsmanship. Forgery of a black sword is a result of haki (as I remember it). Whether or not a blade breaks comes down to haki. So, I'm not sure if swordsmanship and haki, for a swordsman, should be viewed as exclusive.

We could see more things Mihawk trained Zoro in, once Zoro gets a serious battle. We haven't seen Asura, and we don't know why his eye is sealed/scarred.