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Is It a Requirement for Zoro to have Conqueror's Haki?


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Talking about this thread here, not past posts or on other threads.

You can attack while running, so it doesn't really stop you. We seen characters fight while they run before as Enies Lobby is example of that when they invade it to other areas. Why would they stop and attack when they can run while attacking to prevent chase to them and make way on escaping? It contradicts he is idiot for not stopping Luffy and join in fighting the enemies before getting hurt. You should prevented it early than do it and then prevent it. That doesn't make sense there.

Zoro fainted in seconds afterwards. He tied with him. No win, just a lost or tie. Nah, it's not biased, it's being actually real to the truth instead making headcannons like Zoro has a chance to beat Kaido himself. Sorry if I am not a 'Yes-Man', but I like telling what is actual situation than having agenda behind it. Can't help if the truth hurts when latest chapter proves Zoro been hype tool a lot by his enemies than anyone else. That's not lying or being biased, that's the reality.

Nah, I actually put them in reasonable level, not saying headcannon stuff like Zoro is stronger than Luffy or is unstoppable he beat anyone. So you got get it right between trolling and bringing in real facts unless you believe Zoro everything like Nik and Shasha said.
Still the same, I think. But like I said, I generally try to avoid this and Sanji thread because of you two.

What's the point of attacking enemies not in front of him when retreating? The enemies in Enies Lobby were likely fodder while enemies here are tough enough that they need to make every second count. How could he have stopped Luffy if he wasn't looking at Luffy? He's not Luffy's babysitter, mostly, he can't keep an eye on Luffy 24/7.

He got stabbed but still beat Killer. He won. Fainted, sure, but Killer fainted first. Had Killer fainted second, then it'd have been Zoro's loss. I'm not arguing Zoro being able to beat Kaidou by himself, I know he can't, I'm talking about the other crap you say, especially whenever Sanji's criticized. Your only agenda seems to be trying to get revenge on Sanji's critics more telling it as it is.

@M3J I always make sense when it's about Zoro, it will take a while to realize it but you will get there. It should be clear after Wano.
No you don't.
 

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What if we are proven right?
If you are proven right, you are right and i'll accept that i am wrong. It wouldn't be the first time when i had something in mind and you've corrected me either. You've made fair points time and again there are going to be some times we disagree, and most times its Zoro.

The implications of Zoro beating Kaido are huge though and changes the narrative of One Piece completely, i am confident that wouldn't happen.

Nah, Sanji have been most impressive and he doesn't rely on it as means of power unlike Zoro who need magic sword to have for his side, but even then having Enma didn't help with facing Apoo so it brought more disappointment. Sanji uses it for stealth and disguise stuff, not because he wants to be Germa or anything. He clarified he still hates them, but use suit for purposes, but not for that he won't get strong and even ask Usopp and Franky to modify for him. He took out PO and fought Drake better than Zoro with his Supernovas opponents (One of them was nerf and he fainted to that one). It's not same thing compare to Zoro who some thought he do things in their headcannon, but got wasted more in his fights than to count.

Not doubting Zoro won't have spotlight, but at this point to say he go after Kaido still or solo YC lvl opponent is more headcannon than fact. He need squad for YC lvl opponent while Kaido be reserve for Luffy, Kidd, and Law only.
"Doesn't rely on it as means of power" Thats your claim just like you claimed Page One is defeated 100%. And what do you even mean?

If you think having a magical sword gives you unlimited defense against attacks, then you have no idea about abilities work. What we know about Apoo: his ability is sound related, guessing from the instruments, works within a definite range and is entirely long or mid-range type attacks. We still don't know how his attacks work honestly. Does he convert an attack to sound? Can he amplify attacks like musical instruments amplify sound? If the latter is true, a small knife wave could become a deadly attack, and likewise a small punch could become a larger punch. 3 made 3 attacks, all of different types, a punch, a slash and an explosion. 2 of those were where the opponents had major scars, a slash where Zoro was already slashed, and an explosion on the place where Luffy was burnt....Apoo's abilities can make him insanely strong. And without knowing much about his abilities, the best thing Zoro could do is run away to save the captain. And no-one, is above Zoro in terms of loyalty to their captain.

I am with you on everything else..... Saying Zoro will fight Kaido is ridiculous, at best it will be Kaido vs all the supernovas where Zoro may be a part. Or even the 5 of them vs Kaido and Big Mama. But Zoro one on one with Kaido won't happen. I
 

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Zoro is an awesome character who should fight a calamity in the upcoming chapters.

The implications of Zoro beating Kaido are huge though and changes the narrative of One Piece completely, i am confident that wouldn't happen.
Yea I agree here. Zoro beating Kaido wouldn't make sense at all.
 

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I am with you on everything else..... Saying Zoro will fight Kaido is ridiculous, at best it will be Kaido vs all the supernovas where Zoro may be a part. Or even the 5 of them vs Kaido and Big Mama. But Zoro one on one with Kaido won't happen.
Pretty much. This is what I'm hoping for. We literally have the majority of the 11 Supernova on that Island, only missing Bonney, Bege, and Uroge. That would be a fantastic moment for that selection of Worst Generation to make their permanent mark on history.

I don't have a problem with Zoro taking part in the skirmish, the narrative points towards that possibility, but he ain't soloing Kaido.
 

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Regarding now latest chapter with Zoro still running away from Apoo and don't want to get hurt by him combine with Macro appearance fully in this. Can't say I see Zoro taking on YC lvl threat anymore or at least he needs squad behind him to do it, but him vs King are more unlikely now since Macro will intercept him and King would take Macro as even dangerous threat of all and could come after him.

Feel like Zoro vs Kanjuro, Orochi, or T6H with a sword (forgot his name, sorry) are more his final fights now.
 

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Zoro might indeed not fight King, he will fight the Emperors instead. A guy stronger than Luffy has no need to prove himself against a mere commander unless King gets hype to be someone challenging Kaido for his position.
Either way, Zoro is claiming a dragon head above the capital. Then there is also Weevil who could show up and who better to face the strength of young WB than Zoro...
Then, there is also a wild card with Yamato being a formidable figure, there are too many variables to guess definitive matches and Zoro may have more than 2 opponents, it wouldnt be the first time.
 

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Re-reading recently, I felt less of a Zoro x Hiyori vibe than I had before. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think they'll be a pairing now.

I don't have a problem with Zoro taking part in the skirmish, the narrative points towards that possibility, but he ain't soloing Kaido.
Yep I'd say he's involved, probably more than the other supernova except Luffy.

Regarding now latest chapter with Zoro still running away from Apoo and don't want to get hurt
Kidd and Luffy also ran so I don't think there's any conclusion to be drawn from Zoro running too - in terms of being incapable.
 

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Re-reading recently, I felt less of a Zoro x Hiyori vibe than I had before. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think they'll be a pairing now.
That already felt like a long shot honestly. Zoro's already married to his swords.
 

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Re-reading recently, I felt less of a Zoro x Hiyori vibe than I had before. I hope I'm wrong, but I don't think they'll be a pairing now.



Yep I'd say he's involved, probably more than the other supernova except Luffy.



Kidd and Luffy also ran so I don't think there's any conclusion to be drawn from Zoro running too - in terms of being incapable.
Luffy is MC, this isn't going top him wanting to face Kaido and Kidd being major leaders of this group along with Law, will still face Kaido. Zoro though won't be heavily on that part especially if one hit got him to his knees by non-serious Apoo. Can you image him tanking a blow from Kaido? Be too illogical to see that. His best can be facing T6H and maybe YC lvl like Orochi in team fights on both. Not saying Luffy, Kidd, and Law won't team up to fight Kaido as they will too.
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That already felt like a long shot honestly. Zoro's already married to his swords.
Though it was obvious he only into swords? Though won't stop Oda putting him as protector to Hiyori as she can get involve later in the arc possibly.
 

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Though it was obvious he only into swords? Though won't stop Oda putting him as protector to Hiyori as she can get involve later in the arc possibly.
He's never been into the more perverted shenanigans the other get into. Like Nami's first Happiness Punch in Alabasta.

He's role in that is already done, in my opinion. The narrative has put more focus on Kawamatsu wanting to protect Hiyori again, so if she's in trouble, he'll most likely be the one to aid her. If I'm being honest, the only reason Zoro was linked up with Hiyori was probably just so had a decent reason to get Enma.
 

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He's never been into the more perverted shenanigans the other get into. Like Nami's first Happiness Punch in Alabasta.

He's role in that is already done, in my opinion. The narrative has put more focus on Kawamatsu wanting to protect Hiyori again, so if she's in trouble, he'll most likely be the one to aid her. If I'm being honest, the only reason Zoro was linked up with Hiyori was probably just so had a decent reason to get Enma.
He better go protect Robin like he usually does. But Hiyori i can still... need to find the best word... dig.
 

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He better go protect Robin like he usually does. But Hiyori i can still... need to find the best word... dig.
Jinbe's relieved both Sanji and Zoro of that duty it looks like.
 
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He's never been into the more perverted shenanigans the other get into. Like Nami's first Happiness Punch in Alabasta.

He's role in that is already done, in my opinion. The narrative has put more focus on Kawamatsu wanting to protect Hiyori again, so if she's in trouble, he'll most likely be the one to aid her. If I'm being honest, the only reason Zoro was linked up with Hiyori was probably just so had a decent reason to get Enma.
Don't think so like that from what we seen from past Princess from certain arcs, their roles and to who they are with aren't over that easily and Zoro and Hiyori will meet up again possible at Orochi's place where final fight of Zoro vs Orochi could happen there to save her and Momo while fighting with squad against Kanjuro and T6H (with a sword) added into it
 

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Don't think so like that from what we seen from past Princess from certain arcs, their roles and to who they are with aren't over that easily and Zoro and Hiyori will meet up again possible at Orochi's place where final fight of Zoro vs Orochi could happen there to save her and Momo while fighting with squad against Kanjuro and T6H (with a sword) added into it
What stops Kawamatsu from helping Hiyori?
 

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Don't think so like that from what we seen from past Princess from certain arcs, their roles and to who they are with aren't over that easily and Zoro and Hiyori will meet up again possible at Orochi's place where final fight of Zoro vs Orochi could happen there to save her and Momo while fighting with squad against Kanjuro and T6H (with a sword) added into it
Hiyori will certainly play a role before all of this is over, but I don't think Zoro will have anything major to do with it. If he helps, it'll be a quick save before a Scabbard jumps in, be it Kawamatsu or Denjiro. They have more stake in her safety than Zoro.

And now that I think about it, most of the Scabbards should be the ones to take out Orochi and his men as it makes more sense narratively for them to take out the dude who humiliated their beloved leader.

Leave pirates for the pirates, but leave the Samurai to face off against the corrupt shogun.
 
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What stops Kawamatsu from helping Hiyori?
I said there be squad with him. He won't fight alone given he isn't good fighting multiple as this arc shows. Kawamatsu will be one of those there.
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Hiyori will certainly play a role before all of this is over, but I don't think Zoro will have anything major to do with it. If he helps, it'll be a quick save before a Scabbard jumps in, be it Kawamatsu or Denjiro. They have more stake in her safety than Zoro.

And now that I think about it, most of the Scabbards should be the ones to take out Orochi and his men as it makes more sense narratively for them to take out the dude who humiliated their beloved leader.

Leave pirates for the pirates, but leave the Samurai to face off against the corrupt shogun.
It does, but doesn't mean they will naturally get it as Oda make fights with others even not one who wants revenge or should be defeated by them. Don't see it changing as they have a hand in beating him, Zoro be the one to take out Orochi. Though he won't kill him as he leave them to the others afterwards.

Hard to leave like that when everyone in situations by random and unpredictable by Oda looking in upcoming chapters.
 

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zoro vs king/kaido
sanji vs page one/queen
 
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Luffy will be immobile on the ground, beaten up so he wont be around when Zoro kills Kaido,
 
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