Discussion Zoro Discussion Thread

[M3J]

No I was using logic by GM stating he sees Zoro stronger than Apoo despite being 2 vs 1. Just using same scenario that if we go by that Killer is stronger especially in healthy state. Not implying that, actually opposite.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 22, 2020, Original Post Date: Dec 22, 2020 ---

Yet he beaten Daz Bones and Zombie Ryuma despite less swords. It's the skill that makes him strong, not the numbers. He had this conversation to Haichi when facing him. His styles are as strong as much as skill he has equally on each of them.

But if he had three swords, he could have won faster and taken less damage.

 

[King Moe]

But if he had three swords, he could have won faster and taken less damage.

Maybe, but depends on skill. Not his amount. Can still lose or struggle a fight even with 3 swords.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 22, 2020, Original Post Date: Dec 22, 2020 ---

This is what I think of that.

Spoiler

Actually, now that the topic is brought up, has Zoro ever been disarmed other than by Mr.1 (and at the very end)? Not counting of course the swords getting destroyed, since the Mihawk fight wasn't even a fight and Zoro had no problems continuing fighting the marines when he lost Yubashiri.

I don't think he's ever lost a sword in a fight. He doesn't let go of them and we can pretty much say they're a part of his body in a sense.

Zoro fights best with three swords, because three swords are his "weapon" and the style he's trained at the most.

He's strong with ito and nitoryu, and he has very strong techniques in those two styles, but of course he's "not as dangerous", because that's not his main forte and he has less variety of techniques in those forms (and most of his techniques with 1 and 2 swords have an stronger equivalent with 3. Even Shishi Sonson has Rashomon with 2 swords which is stronger), but since he never lets go of them, that's okay either way.

And I shouldn't even mention that his superhuman strength and advanced haki usage can also be used through a fist if he wished to. We know he could throw a tatsumaki pre-TS with no swords.


The results of those two fights were quite different. As were the conditions. The analogy is very weak.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 22, 2020, Original Post Date: Dec 22, 2020 ---

This is not what he told Hachi. He told Hachi that "his eight 300 kg swords can be broken easily by him because Zoro's swords weight more", but that does not translate to "Zoro is equally stronger with any style".

If you paid any attention to that scene. Johnny and Yosaku lent Zoro their swords so he could use santouryu on Hatchan, because with itoryu he was having trouble. Once he got three swords and used santouryu, he massacred Hatchan.

Nah it sound. Same situation and same to take advantage on. Pretty much the same case.

He also stated having more swords given being a Octupus Fishman and you prove my point he discuss it's the skill than numbers. As he use his friends' swords which were were standard swords, but make it work through skill alone.

 

[Nie Li]

Nah it sound. Same situation and same to take advantage on. Pretty much the same case.

He also stated having more swords given being a Octupus Fishman and you prove my point he discuss it's the skill than numbers. As he use his friends' swords which were were standard swords, but make it work through skill alone.

This was not your point. We weren't talking about swords being "standard" or "special", we were talking about the number of swords mattering for Zoro, and it does. Don't move the goalpost around.

Zoro was obviously more skilled than Hatchan, yes, because it's not the "number" of swords that makes a swordsman strong, yes, it's the skill, yes, but Zoro is more skilled with 3 than with 1 sword, and that's why he went from struggling to overpowering Hatchan easily. That is all there is to it.

 

[King Moe]

This was not your point. We weren't talking about swords being "standard" or "special", we were talking about the number of swords mattering for Zoro, and it does. Don't move the goalpost around.

Zoro was obviously more skilled than Hatchan, yes, because it's not the "number" of swords that makes a swordsman strong, yes, it's the skill, yes, but Zoro is more skilled with 3 than with 1 sword, and that's why he went from struggling to overpowering Hatchan easily. That is all there is to it.

Not getting into this with you if your going to force narration again. I am talking about what I stated. It's skill, not amount of swords. He is equally skill on all 3. Favoring a style doesn't mean your not as strong on others.

We agreeing same thing, but your misunderstanding on what I said again like always.

 

[Nie Li]

Not getting into this with you if your going to force narration again. I am talking about what I stated. It's skill, not amount of swords. He is equally skill on all 3. Favoring a style doesn't mean your not as strong on others.

We agreeing same thing, but your misunderstanding on what I said again like always.

I didn't force anything, just read your own posts and see the tings that you say.

We're not agreeing the same thing at all, and I'm not misunderstanding anyhing.

 

[M3J]

It would depend on the amount as if he had three swords, he could have won quicker and taken less damage. He's also used to fighting with three swords, and someone here pointed out how he borrowed Yosaku and Johnny's swords to fight Hachi since one-sword style wasn't doing it.

If that doesn't convince you, then you're far too blind.

 

[Pirate Queen]

It would depend on the amount as if he had three swords, he could have won quicker and taken less damage. He's also used to fighting with three swords, and someone here pointed out how he borrowed Yosaku and Johnny's swords to fight Hachi since one-sword style wasn't doing it.

If that doesn't convince you, then you're far too blind.

Dropping straight facts like always M3J-kun

 

[King Moe]

It would depend on the amount as if he had three swords, he could have won quicker and taken less damage. He's also used to fighting with three swords, and someone here pointed out how he borrowed Yosaku and Johnny's swords to fight Hachi since one-sword style wasn't doing it.

If that doesn't convince you, then you're far too blind.

So Haichi < Daz Bones? If he beat him with 1 sword while needing 3 for another enemy. That mean Cabaiji beats Daz Bones and Zombie Ryuma.

While he favor using 3 swords, he is equally skill on each style. Oda would have those fights him beating someone without 3 swords if that was the case. His overall skill is the main point, not numbers.

 

[Nie Li]

So Haichi < Daz Bones? If he beat him with 1 sword while needing 3 for another enemy. That mean Cabaiji beats Daz Bones and Zombie Ryuma.

That is not the point anyone has made.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 22, 2020, Original Post Date: Dec 22, 2020 ---

And you keep using the < symbol opposite of how it works.

 

[M3J]

Dropping straight facts like always M3J-kun

Whoever pointed out Hachi, Johnny, and Yosaku deserve the credit. I think I just repeated them?

So Haichi < Daz Bones? If he beat him with 1 sword while needing 3 for another enemy. That mean Cabaiji beats Daz Bones and Zombie Ryuma.

While he favor using 3 swords, he is equally skill on each style. Oda would have those fights him beating someone without 3 swords if that was the case. His overall skill is the main point, not numbers.

wut

When Zoro tapped into Breath of All Things or whatever in order to beat Daz Bones? Where he was still hurt badly from his fight against Mihawk vs. fresher and more healed against Daz Bones?

If he was equally skilled, then he wouldn't be intent on using three swords or making sure he carries three swords. Nor would he have asked to borrow swords to fight Hachi's six-swords style. Without all three swords, he can't use every powerful attack he has under his belt.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

So Killer < Zoro is clear then.

Exactly.

 

[King Moe]

That is not the point anyone has made.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 22, 2020, Original Post Date: Dec 22, 2020 ---

And you keep using the < symbol opposite of how it works.

It is especially if 3 swords is his 'full power' than his other styles than Cabiji defeats Daz Bones with ease then. That isn't the case here.

Sorry typo there. It happens when autocorrect mess with what you type.

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 22, 2020 ---

Exactly.

So Killer low-diffs Zoro then? Agree your learning .

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 22, 2020 ---

Whoever pointed out Hachi, Johnny, and Yosaku deserve the credit. I think I just repeated them?


wut

When Zoro tapped into Breath of All Things or whatever in order to beat Daz Bones? Where he was still hurt badly from his fight against Mihawk vs. fresher and more healed against Daz Bones?

If he was equally skilled, then he wouldn't be intent on using three swords or making sure he carries three swords. Nor would he have asked to borrow swords to fight Hachi's six-swords style. Without all three swords, he can't use every powerful attack he has under his belt.

He was pushed to his limits with Dad Bones and Ryuma though. If 3 swords was enough, Oda would emphasize that especially the Daz Bones fight. It's all skill and favoring 3 sword style doesn't mean he is lesser if he change. They are all at his best by skill more than the amount he has.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

So Killer low-diffs Zoro then? Agree your learning .

Nope, you are wrong.
< is a symbol for "less than" so it means killer is weaker than zoro

 

[King Moe]

Nope, you are wrong.
< is a symbol for "lesser than" so it means killer is weaker than zoro

Typos don't state what we want to say. It happens. Killer > Zoro and thanks for the agreement.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Typos don't state what we want to say. It happens. Killer > Zoro and thanks for the agreement.

Don't blame this on me, the fault is on you. Nope, zoro > killer.

It is especially if 3 swords is his 'full power' than his other styles than Cabiji defeats Daz Bones with ease then.

nope, your logic is flawed.
Zoro was stronger when he fought daz bones compared to himself in the east blue arc.
Zoro is not at his best when he doesn't use 3 swords. As simple as that.

 

[goldb]

He was pushed to his limits with Dad Bones and Ryuma though.

Maybe I'm just tired today and therefore hysterical but I found this so funny.

 

[HereNThere]

Maybe I'm just tired today and therefore hysterical but I found this so funny.

Skull Joke! Yohohoho!

 

[XXGenesis]

What’s funny is Moe does to Zoro what he accused everyone else of doing to Sanji for the past Year n some change...Wow talk about hypocritical.

Zoro has stated many of times when he doesn’t have 3 swords that he doesn’t feel right, or isn’t at full power.

Zoro’s worst style Pre time skip was Ittoryu, he didn’t like to use only 1 sword. 2 Swords he has tons of power attacks & with 3 he’s at full power.

Post Time skip. Zoro still needs his 3 swords to be at full power. But he is much more comfortable with 1 sword or 2.

Zoro as a SN & Luffy’s 2nd in command is getting his just due. Standing besides Luffy amongst the SN. While his captain has teamed up with 3 other SN so far, Zoro has fought 3 of them & shown his dominance. Also threatened X-Drake before allying with him.

Zoro is facing Kaido period. It doesn’t matter if the other SN are there, he will stand in front of Kaido & got toe to toe with him, whether he’s assisting his captain or another SN. There will be circumstances in this fight where Zoro will clash alone to mess Kaido’s ****** Up!

 

[King Moe]

Maybe I'm just tired today and therefore hysterical but I found this so funny.

So he did not have struggle fight with neither especially Daz Bones who was ripping his body to sure add with his attacks and tanking them? How's that illogical?

--- Double Post Merged, Dec 22, 2020, Original Post Date: Dec 22, 2020 ---

Don't blame this on me, the fault is on you. Nope, zoro > killer.


nope, your logic is flawed.
Zoro was stronger when he fought daz bones compared to himself in the east blue arc.
Zoro is not at his best when he doesn't use 3 swords. As simple as that.

Nah Killer > Zoro. Thanks for agreeing with me .

Lol to bottom post as no he wasn't and got dominated in most of the fight. He is all on skill, not on numbers and that is a fact. Otherwise would use 3 swords to finish Daz Bones, but didn't.

 

[Ramen]

Y'all have to give Moe some credit. Despite being wrong on every topic he's spoken about. He's remained consistent.

Moe v the world ftw