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Is It a Requirement for Zoro to have Conqueror's Haki?


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This fight with 2 emperors is also a perfect opportunity for Zoro to use his conqueror's haki if he has it or awaken it if he doesn't.

I believe that he should eventually be able to use it as the first mate of the future pirate king.
 

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I don't know if Conqueror's haki will be awakened against an Emperor unless it'll make a difference. If anything, it'd be against or due to a commander or underlings, but the emperors wouldn't be affected.
 

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Conqueror's haki has so far never really done much of anything in a fight though. I am not against zoro having conqueror's haki, I just don't think this matters all that much beyond telling us a character has the qualities of a conqueror.
 

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Conqueror's haki has so far never really done much of anything in a fight though. I am not against zoro having conqueror's haki, I just don't think this matters all that much beyond telling us a character has the qualities of a conqueror.
I’m against it. It’s been too long since the time skip and I don’t have the perspective that Conqueror’s Haki is gained. I believe you either have it or you don’t.

Zoro laying his head down for Luffy during thriller bark is the reason why he isn’t a conqueror, because he was willing to give up his dream at one point For someone else’s.

Even aiming for his title, Conqueor’s Haki isn’t needed, nor has it been as versatile as the other forms of Haki.
 

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I’m against it. It’s been too long since the time skip and I don’t have the perspective that Conqueror’s Haki is gained. I believe you either have it or you don’t.

Zoro laying his head down for Luffy during thriller bark is the reason why he isn’t a conqueror, because he was willing to give up his dream at one point For someone else’s.

Even aiming for his title, Conqueor’s Haki isn’t needed, nor has it been as versatile as the other forms of Haki.
I agree in that this is pretty black and white in regards to having it. You are either born with it or not, no middle ground or concessions. That said, I don't think laying his head down is indicative of whether he can or not have it. By now there are plenty of conqueror's haki users who have been perfectly cool about yielding to someone, for however many reasons.

1.- Silver Rayleigh was roger's VC and never took over the roger pirates after they were disbanded. Even though he probably had even the makings of a yonko.

2.- Boa hancock would bend herself backwards or any direction for that matter over luffy.

3.-Chinjao placed his children and army at luffy's disposal.

4.-Katakuri is perfectly fine as big mom's expendable and worthless pawn.

5.- Oden was subordinate to roger and whitebeard. And he pretty much folded to kaido.

6.- Ace was defeated by WB and joined his crew.

7.- Doflamingo was essentially a subordinate to kaido...

8.- Sengoku was fleet admiral but he was still subordinate to kong and the world government.

8 out of 15 confirmed haki users in the series have gladly been subordinate to others... Doflamingo is more of a stretch but quivering in fear at kaido potentially retaliating is not a good look for a conqueror if their behavior has to be universally unyielding.

It's true that technically zoro does not need conqueror's haki (though technically no one else does as the haki is barely useful) but saying that he can't be a conqueror because he is a subordinate to someone ignores how many subordinate conquerors the story has.
 

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I’m against it. It’s been too long since the time skip and I don’t have the perspective that Conqueror’s Haki is gained. I believe you either have it or you don’t.

Zoro laying his head down for Luffy during thriller bark is the reason why he isn’t a conqueror, because he was willing to give up his dream at one point For someone else’s.

Even aiming for his title, Conqueor’s Haki isn’t needed, nor has it been as versatile as the other forms of Haki.
Luffy is willing to give up his dream all the time for his friends and loved ones, though. He had no problem dying as long as it meant beating Crocodile and relieving Vivi of her burden, or freeing Ace. In fact, it might be this that wakes up Zoro's Conqueror's Haki (which I believe he has), because his friends are in danger, and he feels helpless. That's what awakened Luffy and Ace's haki.

If Zoro had been about his dream, he most likely wouldn't be able to wake his haki, but he's also fighting for his crew. Doesn't ZOro also have the ability to gather allies and stuff? We've seen his ability to lead when he had to, as well.
 

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Luffy is willing to give up his dream all the time for his friends and loved ones, though. He had no problem dying as long as it meant beating Crocodile and relieving Vivi of her burden, or freeing Ace. In fact, it might be this that wakes up Zoro's Conqueror's Haki (which I believe he has), because his friends are in danger, and he feels helpless. That's what awakened Luffy and Ace's haki.

If Zoro had been about his dream, he most likely wouldn't be able to wake his haki, but he's also fighting for his crew. Doesn't ZOro also have the ability to gather allies and stuff? We've seen his ability to lead when he had to, as well.
If I'm not wrong, Zoro said that he will have the samurai's of Wano under his command very very fast. That should show that he has the capacity to command people or at least the intention. Heck, before meeting Luffy I remember when they asked him to join a crew and Zoro said that he will but only if he is the Captain.

Also, what do you think about the feats that Zoro is pulling up? I want to know what are the thoughts of the ppl here about ZKK. I just want to see if there is ppl supporting this (although if you support it you should say why). Before you call me a Zoro-tard because I'm bringing ZKK I would like to say that I'm on a neutral point on that.
 

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Also, what do you think about the feats that Zoro is pulling up? I want to know what are the thoughts of the ppl here about ZKK. I just want to see if there is ppl supporting this (although if you support it you should say why). Before you call me a Zoro-tard because I'm bringing ZKK I would like to say that I'm on a neutral point on that.
Years ago ZKK earned you the tag of a Zoro-tard but these days, more or less everyone is a Zoro-tard.
It is starting to become obvious to everyone, not just to Zoro-tards. They are 2 years too late but they are catching up. :cheez
 

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Years ago ZKK earned you the tag of a Zoro-tard but these days, more or less everyone is a Zoro-tard.
It is starting to become obvious to everyone, not just to Zoro-tards. They are 2 years too late but they are catching up. :cheez
Idk bro, there are still some downsides to ZKK. Even tho I would love to see it. I would for some ppl to post the arguments that support ZKK or that dismiss it
 

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What's ZKK exactly?
 

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If I'm not wrong, Zoro said that he will have the samurai's of Wano under his command very very fast. That should show that he has the capacity to command people or at least the intention. Heck, before meeting Luffy I remember when they asked him to join a crew and Zoro said that he will but only if he is the Captain.

Also, what do you think about the feats that Zoro is pulling up? I want to know what are the thoughts of the ppl here about ZKK. I just want to see if there is ppl supporting this (although if you support it you should say why). Before you call me a Zoro-tard because I'm bringing ZKK I would like to say that I'm on a neutral point on that.
He wasn't able to do that though, was he? It was Luffy and Hyogoro that got the samurai to join them. Zoro does have the capacity to command though if he wants to, like on Water 7 or when he yelled at Luffy on Punk Hazard.

I have no idea wtf ZKK is.
 

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I don't see Zoro doing that even if he did have the strength/power to do that. I can see him saving Luffy's ass spectacularly or doing one heck of a damage to Kaidou that helps Luffy win, but that's about it.
 

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Agreed, kaido's definitely belongs to luffy in this arc. Odds are there will be others that deal damage to kaido of course, that's a requirement, but the most he could reasonably do is land a bit and proper hit on kaido. Enough for luffy to bring him to heel. but that's probably a long way off, kaido still has most of his health bars full. I do think the gang needs a proper bailout now though. Kaido's hybrid form while looking out for luffy, the group's heavy hitter, sounds like a huge stretch.
 

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I see... Now the question basically is "What are they going to do with Kaido after he is defeated?". I'm curious to see what happens to him
 
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I see... Now the question basically is "What are they going to do with Kaido after he is defeated?". I'm curious to see what happens to him
I think Zoro will erase Kaido from existence.
Simple decapitation is nothing new anymore. PH dragon was decapitated, Orochi was decapitated as well, Ryuma decapitated a dragon.
Oda got that out of his system, not saying that he wont do the same to Kaido but something new might be more epic.

Above the capital, where everyone can see it, Zoro's Asura will mince Kaido into unrecognizable little pieces, as he said in ch 997.
That's a sight that will make people of Wano start calling Zoro a new Sword God.
Luffy will get to pummel Big Mom into O-Lin state, solid achievement but definitely pale compared to Zoro's.
 

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I think Zoro will erase Kaido from existence.
Simple decapitation is nothing new anymore. PH dragon was decapitated, Orochi was decapitated as well, Ryuma decapitated a dragon.
Oda got that out of his system, not saying that he wont do the same to Kaido but something new might be more epic.

Above the capital, where everyone can see it, Zoro's Asura will mince Kaido into unrecognizable little pieces, as he said in ch 997.
That's a sight that will make people of Wano start calling Zoro a new Sword God.
Luffy will get to pummel Big Mom into O-Lin state, solid achievement but definitely pale compared to Zoro's.

And what about Law, Kidd and Killer? If this act ends in tragedy maybe one of them dies but unless they knock the rest down they are still there. Now, without being a fanboy. From the 5 supernovas that are up there only Zoro has the capacity to kill Kaido. Maybe Law 2. (Not saying that Zoro is the strongest, but it's easier to kill someone with a sword rather than a fist)
 

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zkk will not happen but Zoro will impale kaido . Luffy will beat kaido one on one thats for certain he will be nerfed before final battle .
 

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I think that you don't really know what impale means if you are saying that lol.
 

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I know it's probably obvious but due to how it's presented...

-Zoro legitimately hates sanji doesn't he? He'd most likely give him the usopp treatment if he wasn't so vital to the crew (cooking).
 
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