Fantasy Zoro v Kaido

[nik87]

Law can only cut with his ability what he can already cut with his sword.

Haki dictates what you can cut or not to a high degree so you could still say that it depends on stronger Haki to cut Vergo.
On the other side, Law has never shown Hardening so...

However, after seeing that it was impossible for Oden to break the Bari Bari no Mi barrier, even with Haki, that's clearly not the case.

Barrier to me is an obvious plot element, the one purpose is to be indestructible and that is all it does.
Law's fruit is far more dangerous so Oda has to put some limits on it, otherwise, Chop-Chop Kaido into pieces and dont worry.

 

[Shasha23]

If you want to talk about feats...

The entire crew almost died fighting PX-4, which is like Kuma, except without any intelligence, fighting skill, or his Devil Fruit with broken abilities.

And we also get to see how Kuma could easily get rid of a Pacifista:

Isn't that proof the crew would stand zero chance against the real Kuma?

Zoro was not at 100% and they didnt almost die against PX-4

How is that proof? they just fought 2 pacifists, Sentomaru and an admiral before Kuma came, how is that proof he would beat them when they are all at a 100%?

No one is debating if he is a threat to them or not but from him showing, hype and feats nothing suggests he would solo the whole crew, thining otherwise with no feats to back it up is just silly, and worse off you cant even back up your claims and are using panels that further prove my point on this matter

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Haki dictates what you can cut or not to a high degree so you could still say that it depends on stronger Haki to cut Vergo.
On the other side, Law has never shown Hardening so...

Didnt he show his COA vs Doffy to block his strings

 

[nik87]

Didnt he show his COA vs Doffy to block his strings

He did, I meant on his sword.

 

[King Moe]

nothing as devastating as getting his shoulder/chest stabbed

He wasn't showing his full power there. Just to make a point. Cracker can easily pierce his body and anything stronger than what Kamazou did to Zoro.

 

[ish3]

I think we can call agree kuma is new world strong and broken to the point the crew as a whole could never defeat him pre timeskip and that’s okay.

On topic are you guys in the mood to see multiple serious zoro fights or you’re good with two? I’m expecting zoro as well as the crew to get two powerups if not one massive one mid fight against whoever they face in wano. Can’t wait to see zoro and the crew to be pushed beyond their limits.

 

[nik87]

are you guys in the mood to see multiple serious zoro fights or you’re good with two?

Which two fights do you mean?

 

[ish3]

Which two fights do you mean?

It’s hard to say oda will likely introduce strong characters right just right before the war we haven’t seen. Zoro could face cracker snack other samurai we’ve yet to see king. Orochi etc.

 

[nik87]

It’s hard to say oda will likely introduce strong characters right just right before the war we haven’t seen. Zoro could face cracker snack other samurai we’ve yet to see king. Orochi etc.

Oh I would like some BMP's to show up, especially Cracker just to see him sent back in the ambulance asap.
I dont expect a challenge from Orochi so I hoped for Kyoshiro to be a bad guy but that is gone now. Zoro clashed with him and Hawkins but I dont think those fights will happen. If he fight King and joins the fight against Kaido in last stages it should be fine, if anything more happens aside from those 2 it would be great.

 

[mattey245]

It would actually make sense, Luffy defeating BM and Zoro killing Kaido. Ofc Zoro is going to get help to fight him but I see him dealing the last strike. And regarding him killing Orochimaru there is a main problem, Orochimaru is a fucking snake not a dragon . Jokes aside let's don't forget that the sword Hiyori has, is the one that in mythology killed the seven headed serpent. And they alr said that Zoro will surpass Oden, look for example when they said Zoro could be able to turn Enma in a black blade something not even Oden himself could achieve. And with Blackbeard, he alr has 2 df, 2 very strong Df giving him other one would be pretty dumb making him pretty much invencible plus we still don't know if Kaido is a dragon himself or if he did eat a Df.

 

[King Moe]

This is no-diffed situation seeing how badly he beaten Scabbards when he want to make 'bit' effort. Don't see Zoro surviving an club hit especially if he went with more power.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

It would actually make sense, Luffy defeating BM and Zoro killing Kaido. Ofc Zoro is going to get help to fight him but I see him dealing the last strike. And regarding him killing Orochimaru there is a main problem, Orochimaru is a fucking snake not a dragon . Jokes aside let's don't forget that the sword Hiyori has, is the one that in mythology killed the seven headed serpent. And they alr said that Zoro will surpass Oden, look for example when they said Zoro could be able to turn Enma in a black blade something not even Oden himself could achieve. And with Blackbeard, he alr has 2 df, 2 very strong Df giving him other one would be pretty dumb making him pretty much invencible plus we still don't know if Kaido is a dragon himself or if he did eat a Df.

agree. Would be cool to see a tag team of zoro and luffy against the yonko

 

[King Moe]

agree. Would be cool to see a tag team of zoro and luffy against the yonko

He could be involve, but he be busy first trying to beat YC lvl opponent to get his worth as after his performance with Apoo, he will not survive even an minute with 2 Yonkos solo or teaming.

 

[LadyVados]

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He could be involve, but he be busy first trying to beat YC lvl opponent to get his worth as after his performance with Apoo, he will not survive even an minute with 2 Yonkos solo or teaming.

You don’t think a YC could survive a minute against Yonkos ?

 

[King Moe]

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You don’t think a YC could survive a minute against Yonkos ?

Big Mom beaten Queen and Kaido take out Oden with good strike of the club. Zoro's durability and stamina are not on their level, so illogical he could survive a hit from them. He is not YC lvl until he face one to see on his performance with them.

 

[mattey245]

Big Mom beaten Queen and Kaido take out Oden with good strike of the club. Zoro's durability and stamina are not on their level, so illogical he could survive a hit from them. He is not YC lvl until he face one to see on his performance with them.

Don't underestimate Zoro's durability, from the beginning of the manga you could see Zoro surviving hits that would be fatal for a normal person. And the same photo you quoted, Luffy and Kid don't have anything to protect but we know Zoro made a promise to free Wano.

 

[King Moe]

Don't underestimate Zoro's durability, from the beginning of the manga you could see Zoro surviving hits that would be fatal for a normal person. And the same photo you quoted, Luffy and Kid don't have anything to protect but we know Zoro made a promise to free Wano.

In same arc though he fainted recently and gotten injured easily compare how he was pre-timeskip though. His recent stuff doesn't support he can stand long in a fight. Can't see Zoro how he is now to face a Yonko like Kaido.

Also what you mean? Luffy was the one to make the promise. Not Zoro. He will help to do that just like Sanji, Jimbei, the rest, and so on. They all want that, not just him.

 

[mattey245]

In same arc though he fainted recently and gotten injured easily compare how he was pre-timeskip though. His recent stuff doesn't support he can stand long in a fight. Can't see Zoro how he is now to face a Yonko like Kaido.

Also what you mean? Luffy waste one to make the promise. Not Zoro. He will help to do that just like Sanji, Jimbei, the rest, and so on. They all want that, not just him.

Him fainting was pretty weird considering how he survived Mihawk's slash but not that stab. Pretty dumb and they all want to free Wano but one specific moment shows the rage Zoro has. That moment was when they killed the father. He literally said that if he wants to protect Wano he should go towards Kaido not Orochimaru. Plus I still don't see how is Luffy going to kill Kaido.

 

[King Moe]

Him fainting was pretty weird considering how he survived Mihawk's slash but not that stab. Pretty dumb and they all want to free Wano but one specific moment shows the rage Zoro has. That moment was when they killed the father. He literally said that if he wants to protect Wano he should go towards Kaido not Orochimaru. Plus I still don't see how is Luffy going to kill Kaido.

Still his performance doesn't push he can survive in a fight with Yonko especially at this stage. Luffy been hype up to be the one to defeat Kaido even with Ace's flashback/backstory added to his side which is always a personal thing for Luffy and means he is going to be one to defeat Kaido. He has more capable means to give more damage than Zoro has on him given his performance we seen.

Zoro just following captain just like others on wanting to save Wano, not really a personal thing only to him though.

 

[XXGenesis]

Still his performance doesn't push he can survive in a fight with Yonko especially at this stage. Luffy been hype up to be the one to defeat Kaido even with Ace's flashback/backstory added to his side which is always a personal thing for Luffy and means he is going to be one to defeat Kaido. He has more capable means to give more damage than Zoro has on him given his performance we seen.

Zoro just following captain just like others on wanting to save Wano, not really a personal thing only to him though.

Non of the Straw Hats are blind followers. They have personalities...Zoro was pissed of By Orochi with how he killed Yasuie & is running the country of Wano making the ppl suffer. He knows Kaido is the real shadow ruler & he wants piece.

No Zoro has not taken an attack from any Yonkou Lv character, but he has taken an attack from an Admiral and countered back, with the admiral referring to his strength to resist.

Zoro also is set up by the plot to damage & hurt Kaido much more than what the scabbards did. He was given Enma the only sword to hurt Kaido, it’s in his hands. & he has reached the top of Onigashima with the rest of the SuperNova’s that are up against Kaido & BM.

Zoro is going to play an important part in defeating Kiado. Oda had layed the ground work & now Zoro is present to do his thing as the 1st mate. & help Luffy take down an emperor.

 

[mattey245]

Still his performance doesn't push he can survive in a fight with Yonko especially at this stage. Luffy been hype up to be the one to defeat Kaido even with Ace's flashback/backstory added to his side which is always a personal thing for Luffy and means he is going to be one to defeat Kaido. He has more capable means to give more damage than Zoro has on him given his performance we seen.

Zoro just following captain just like others on wanting to save Wano, not really a personal thing only to him though.

The problem is that we didn't see his full power yet. There are things like Asura that we didn't see after the time skip. He took a slash from Mihawk pts what makes you think that his durability went down? It wouldn't make sense. And regarding him fainting I think Oda made it like that so we can see one of the multiple similarities that Oden and Zoro have. I'm pretty repeating myself but come on, he took like a champion Luffy's pain something that was stated "imposible" to survive and took a directly stab to the heart from Mihawk and a Slice thru the chest with Your. I'm not saying he is going to do a 1v1 and defeat him with ease while being intact from the fight. I see him getting some important damage from the fight. And of course that he won't kill Kaido while he is fresh.

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The problem is that we didn't see his full power yet. There are things like Asura that we didn't see after the time skip. He took a slash from Mihawk pts what makes you think that his durability went down? It wouldn't make sense. And regarding him fainting I think Oda made it like that so we can see one of the multiple similarities that Oden and Zoro have. I'm pretty repeating myself but come on, he took like a champion Luffy's pain something that was stated "imposible" to survive and took a directly stab to the heart from Mihawk and a Slice thru the chest with Your. I'm not saying he is going to do a 1v1 and defeat him with ease while being intact from the fight. I see him getting some important damage from the fight. And of course that he won't kill Kaido while he is fresh.

I think ppl ignore things like similarities and Oda building the plot in a very intelligent way and just think: "Well Luffy is the MC and he said he wants to defeat Kaido. It makes sense if he does kill him despite the fact that he doesn't have any way to do that."