Discussion The 11 Supernovae

[Sachsenhesse]

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people... whats brings the discussion here? i mean from that what we´ve seen on archipelago we all would think luffy can only make bodyparts bigger, but fucked its just a way to use his power...

who knows if kidd is not be able to control people by the electromagnetic field or law to extend his room by a larger field with other consequences like teleportation and such jokes

a who is stronger thread is right now senseless by what we´ve seen from them

 

[Onomatopoeia]

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Actually for Law, I've seen little reason to assume that he has to use that sword specificly.

As far as I can tell, the moving of objects and the creation of room are both Laws ability which are the most important parts. The only part that requires his sword is the cutting motion, which really just means that he needs something sharp to cut their head off.

 

[Razh]

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who knows if kidd is not be able to control people by the electromagnetic field or law to extend his room by a larger field with other consequences like teleportation and such jokes

As fas as I gathered Kid is no Magneto. He needs to be in touch with metal in order to control it, or shape it. I don't think he can control magnetic field. His body can become magnetic, or he can reverse it in order to repel metals from himself.
That's how Paramecias work in One Piece.

If it weren't like that, he wouldn't need to attract metals to stick to his hand and body parts around it, like we've seen.

Law's power is a real enigma. Just like Hawkins'.
Apparently, he has complete control inside his field, enough to distort reality itself. He can cut distant objects, manipulate objects to change positions... It's like the time is stopped inside the field, but it's not. Otherwise the head of the marine wouldn't be able to talk.

 

[Tenryuken]

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Just like Hawkins'.

Basil's DF power is like Voodoo.
But he also can predict future with his cards and that has nothing to do with his DF.

 

[Razh]

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I said it was real enigma. Sure part of it is obviously voodoo inspired. But can you explain how he manages to sacrifice other people instead of himself? You can't.
And his "devil conquering phase" in which he turns into a big scarecrow is a question for itself. WTF is that?

All that I am sure of is that it has something to do with straws. He was obviously connected to those people he sacrificed. Maybe he attached some kind of straws to them to obtain a link.

Speaking of future prediction. Did you not notice the straws that were attached to each card? I suppose it's just a coincidence, and doesn't have anything to do with his DF. Right.
Anyways, it seemed more like a calculation of odds to me.

 

[Tenryuken]

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You're saying that his DF could know that he would survive against Kizaru eventrough he didn't even know his power?
I am thinking that besides his DF he is also some kind of Medium or something like that.

About his "devil conquering phase", it's his way to fight. The voodoo thing is just defense, how are gonna win a fight if you don't attack?

 

[Razh]

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You're saying that his DF could know that he would survive against Kizaru eventrough he didn't even know his power?
I am thinking that besides his DF he is also some kind of Medium or something like that.

And I'm saying that it falls under the abillity of his fruit, or at least he can do it better with the use of his fruit.
What do you think that those goddamn straws attached to each card were?

About his "devil conquering phase", it's his way to fight. The voodoo thing is just defense, how are gonna win a fight if you don't attack?

Yes, thanks for discovering hot water.
But his turning into a scarecrow, combined with the abillity to sacrifice other people and predict possibilities makes his DF a real enigma, with a big E.

 

[Onomatopoeia]

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And I'm saying that it falls under the abillity of his fruit, or at least he can do it better with the use of his fruit.
What do you think that those goddamn straws attached to each card were?



Yes, thanks for discovering hot water.
But his turning into a scarecrow, combined with the abillity to sacrifice other people and predict possibilities makes his DF a real enigma, with a big E.

Pretty much, my best guess is that he has some sort of Voodo based ability that stretches over a really wide range of abilities.

Or perhaps Shaman Based...

 

[Basil Hawkins]

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OK guys I see that you are discussing me here so I'll give my view on the matter .
For me it's obvious that I have eaten the String String DF.Every ability I have shown can be explained with it.
1)Fortune telling
Well I think that the explanation of this is connected to the SS fruit.How you ask?Greek mythology-the three sisters who are "sewing"(that is not the correct word in English,but I just can't think of a more appropriate one) the fate of the others.With the SS fruit I can actually see the "strings of fate".Also see WoT by RJ-the Pattern.
2)Damage transferring
It was hinted that I have to have contact with somebody in order to be able to transfer the damage.Probably I attach some kind of string ( "string of fate"?) to somebody and that is how I transfer the damage.
3)Demon conquering phase
I have eaten the SS DF.So I just turn into Strings?Kinda like Mr1.He wasn't metal all of the time IIRC.
Have I missed something?

 

[Tenryuken]

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No, I agree with you except on the fortune telling.

 

[Razh]

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No, I agree with you except on the fortune telling.

Well what do you think those strings attached to the cards are then?
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/508/07/
And he accidentaly can turn into straw monster.

And when somebody is telling fortune, or predicting future, they don't really use percentages.

 

[bittman]

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Guh.

It's obviously something like: The Shaman Shaman Fruit. What the hell is this string thing? Anyway:
Damage Transfer: Voodoo Dolls
Fortune Telling with Cards: common Gypsy technique. Percentages are just Oda's way of making Hawkins sound cool.
Straw transform + nails: expansion on his Voodoo Doll, where he himself becomes one. Nails are often used with Voodoo dolls to attack a specific area.

Try refute it if you want, but I'm right so you'll just be wrong =P [/ego]

 

[Basil Hawkins]

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Guh.

It's obviously something like: The Shaman Shaman Fruit. What the hell is this string thing? Anyway:
Damage Transfer: Voodoo Dolls
Fortune Telling with Cards: common Gypsy technique. Percentages are just Oda's way of making Hawkins sound cool.
Straw transform + nails: expansion on his Voodoo Doll, where he himself becomes one. Nails are often used with Voodoo dolls to attack a specific area.

Try refute it if you want, but I'm right so you'll just be wrong =P [/ego]

Shaman Shaman DF?What's next-Batman Batman DF?
Voodoo dolls?AFAIK Voodoo dolls are not part of ANY MAJOR shamanistic culture.They are just another "author interpretation" in Hollywood movies.
Fortune telling:Gypsies DO NOT have shamans.
Straw transformation -LOL
Last sentence ROFL.

 

[JC123]

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Voodoo dolls are part of Haiti tradition.

As such, you also have zombie culture coming from said tradition where people can be entranced to be in a catatonic state so that their mind appears elsewhere.

And yes, Haiti tradition is majorly shamanistic. HOWEVER! It's not made up of Hollywood movies unless you include Night of the Living Dead. [/geekmode]

 

[bittman]

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Thanks for looking up fact JC123...I couldn't be bothered =P

@ Basil Hawkins: the man himself! When I said shaman, I was being general. Shaman is a term used to refer to mystical people with power over souls. It can range from witch doctors to gypsies by my interpretation, but if your interpretation is just from something in Hollywood (or even worse...Shaman King), then so be it.

And on your string string fruit: sounds like the lamest fruit of all time. What did he turn into string for other than to become less substantial, but obviously not Logia? Because it was awesome? The dolls which appeared out his arm are stereotypical voodoo doll appearance.

And yes, a Batman Batman fruit would be freaking awesome, but we already have the human human fruit which is all that lame superhero is anyway. Spiderman Spiderman fruit has potential though.

 

[Razh]

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Percentages are just Oda's way of making Hawkins sound cool.

While it could be true, you'll forgive me if I don't change my mind completely.

No, when you predict future using percentages it's like saying right away that you could be wrong, unless it's 100% or 0%. That's some crappy prediction.

Turning into scarecrow does 2 things. Makes him resistant to crushing damage and makes him more flexible. (And a lot taller and uglier.)

 

[Basil Hawkins]

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@JC123
Well I said AFAIK.Obviously you have different opinion.Well if we look at wiki
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voodoo_doll#Myths_and_misconceptions I think it supports my statement.Of course I know that wiki is not always right so if you wish show me a source which supports your view on the matter.
@bittman
Well since I've first saw Basil's abilities I've decided that it was a string string fruit.I could be wrong,but when latter we saw his demon conquering phase I thought it became clear that his DF is String String.And btw in the beginning I thought that Gum Gum DF is uber lame and I certainly wasn't expecting something like gear 2 and 3,but see what happened.
And if we speak in general why Shaman Shaman DF?His nickname is "The Magician",so why not the Magic Magic DF.We can expect fireballs,thunderstorms,blizzards,teleport and such from Basil then.I'd say we could even connect them to the Shaman Shaman DF.

 

[Razh]

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I'd say we could even connect them to the Shaman Shaman DF.

Shaman is a concept too wide. That way, there could be Fighter Fighter DF or Scientist Scientist DF or Accountant Accountant DF...

And I would bet more on Straw fruit, then String fruit.

 

[Basil Hawkins]

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Razh that's exactly what I meant-it's a concept far too wide.Also the demon conquering phase certainly looks more like straw fruit,but I can't find a good explanation on the other two abilities we've seen.And about the percentages-I think that probably Oda's concept is that there are infinite number of possible futures(kinda like Dune) and Hawkins sees the outcomes in percentages-for example in 4% of the possible futures he dodges XXX attack,in 12% he parries it etc.

 

[Razh]

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First thing I thought of after I saw him turn into that scarecrow thing, after sacrificing other people and calculating odds is - drawing straws.
Don't know why. Maybe Oda made some weird concept. Certainly wouldn't be the first time.
But we'll just have to wait for explanation. It's too hard to figure out at this point.