Mag Talk Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk

[Kaiten]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

I think Psyren is placed this week. Otherwise it would be closer to Sket and Mago.

 

[Finestela]

Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

Probably just asking "what's the manga series you find most interesting" instead of actually providing choices... I mean otherwise I really don't see how they'd place Slam Dunk and Fruits Basket up in there (since neither of them are "current").

It's a shame that there's no full crossbat or methodology for this list. It's possible that it's just a "send in post card and tally" kind of popularity contest.

 

[Kaiten]

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(gives in and helps high jack the thread ): Glad to see Kimi ni Todoke so high and Aozora Yell make it! The latter is a fantastic series, at least whats been translated so far!! Sket Dance in the top ten was a surprise. Apparently it's more worthy of votes for School of Lock then Jump Really, the list you found is far more interesting then the TOC this week, Finestela.

 

[Koen]

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I think Psyren is placed this week. Otherwise it would be closer to Sket and Mago.

May I ask on what ground of the link you gave you base yourself to say psyren is placed?

Anyway I do agree with people saying psyren is placed. Akaboshi, Medaka, Kuroko and Beelzebub -> Psyren being the fifth would be too much. Two new unrated series, two series with a colour page. I wouldn't see any reason to fix a spot for psyren having extra pages.

So let's say the extra pages are to fill the void but also for psyren's latest high spot ^^

 

[Rejuvenation]

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Hmm interesting ToC overall. There isn't too much for me to nitpick at.

The list of 30 is interesting too. Disagree here and there but the list isn't too disappointing.

 

[Kaiten]

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May I ask on what ground of the link you gave you base yourself to say psyren is placed?

It shows where the series are ranked based on the votes. Follow it down and the ranked series follow it: One Piece is first, Naruto second, Bleach third, Toriko fourth, etc. The TOC, especially lower down, doesn't always follow it exactly, but is usually close. Basically (if I'm reading correct) the decimal right next to the series is average ranking for this week. Then TOC position from the last eight issues follows. Number 1, always designated in red, is front color, not first in votes. Orange represents center color.

So no one has to go back to my older post.

[koen]Nice catch. I would have never known this without you, sherlock [/koen]

 

[Mr. Prince]

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Actually that list isn't that elaborate...the number after the series name is "average" and it's just what you get when you sum up all the past ToC positions and divide by the number of past issues.

They're not even considering fixed spots like the cover or CP spots as you can see in ToLove's or Hoopmen's example.

 

[Finestela]

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It's due to the fact that not everyone agrees with the assumption that CP/Lead CP isn't ranked. I for one isn't in total agreement with this line of though other than certain cases. Instead of pulling out your hair trying to figure out what is considered "ranked" and "unranked", they just include everything. Same goes for pre-chapter 8 series. Though they are not placed in the 8 week tally, it's still a reflection of how popular it is. We've seen from time to time that series doomed to fail gets near bottom position even when it's not yet 8 weeks old.

It's simply methodology as well as intepretation difference. I don't see how it would be "less accurate". One "high placement due to CP/Lead CP" isn't going to boost (or cripple, in certain cases) the 10 week average that much.

 

[Bomber D Rufi]

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Well, last year, we had several (well, two or three iirc) issues with two chapters of Yuushagaku, occupying different positions. We didn't really discount the higher one by saying it's got two chapters though. So I'd say same rule applys, that Psyren is just that good

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Some interesting stuff to post:

This is the list of "Most interesting manga series currently, best 30" from the radio show "School of Lock!". The list is Teenager oriented.

Spoiler

168 名前： 名無しさんの次レスにご期待下さい [sage] 投稿日： 2009/05/20(水) 10:35:05 ID:rYNWPT0b0
「SCHOOL　OF LOCK!」というラジオ番組で行われた、
「今一番面白い漫画ベスト30」の結果を貼ってみる
ちなみにこの番組は青少年（ゆとり世代）のリスナーが多いと補足しておく

1位 鋼の錬金術師　荒川弘
2位 ONE PIECE　尾田栄一郎
3位 銀魂　空知 英秋
4位 君に届け　椎名軽穂
5位 聖☆おにいさん　中村光
6位 家庭教師ヒットマンREBORN　天野明
7位 SKET DANCE　篠原健太
8位 BLEACH　久保帯人
9位 おおきく振りかぶって　ひぐちアサ
10位 君と僕。　堀田きいち
11位 夏目友人帳　緑川ゆき
12位 ヘタリア　Axis Powers　日丸屋 秀和
13位 ダイヤのＡ　寺嶋裕二
14位 SLAM DUNK　井上雄彦
15位 バクマン。　大場 つぐみ, 小畑 健
16位 あひるの空　日向武史
17位 エア・ギア　大暮維人
18位 青空エール　河原和音
19位 桜蘭高校ホスト部　葉鳥ビスコ
20位 ソウルイーター　大久保篤
21位 NARUTO-ナルト-　岸本斉史
22位 PandoraHearts　望月淳
23位 ギャグマンガ日和　増田こうすけ
24位 黒執事　枢やな
25位 PSYREN-サイレン-　岩代 俊明
26位 ハヤテのごとく!　畑健二郎
27位 フルーツバスケット　高屋奈月
28位 おやすみプンプン　浅野 いにお
29位 テガミバチ　浅田弘幸
30位 FAIRY TAIL　真島ヒロ

この結果をどう見るか

01 Full Metal Alchemist
02 One Piece
03 Gintama
04 Kimi ni Todoke (here's a surprise)
05 Saint Onii-san (lol)
06 Reborn
07 Sket Dance (nice)
08 Bleach
09 Ookiku
10 Kimi to Boku (never read this before)
11 Natsume Yuujinchou (11!? Shocking)
12 Hetalia (lol)
13 Ace of Diamond
14 Slam Dunk (lol, how long has it ended!?)
15 Bakuman
16 Ahiru no Sora (never read it)
17 Air Gear
18 Yell for the Blue SKy (never read it)
19 Ouran High School Host Club
20 Soul Eater
21 Naruto
22 Pandora Hearts
23 Gag Manga Biyori (huh!?)
24 Kuro Shitsuji
25 Psyren
26 Hayate no Gotoku
27 Fruits Basket (oh come on... it ended for several years already!)
28 Oyasumi Pon Pon (never read it before)
29 Letter Bee
30 Fairy Tail (I'm glad it made the list... but this far down? O_o")

Geez! Even with it's recent low TOC status...Gintama's pretty damn high!! 3rd behiind FMA and OP! And to think that on the outset, Sorachi's editors told him that he'd never get anywhere. I need to read more of Sket, but i think that's a good spot for it to be on...and nice job for Psyren getting on the list at all. (I'm not reading it until I finish Mieru Hito, just a personal thing.) At least now, even though Gintama's sort of low on the TOC....with this kind of popularity I doubt Jump will let it go. ^^

 

[Finestela]

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Just read something I was not expecting... but apparently, Yabuki was in a nasty divorce earlier this year. He also mentioned off-handly in Vol. 13 that "Just when I was busy with work such as color pages and Tanks, things like being short on assistants as well as having unfortunate private matters all came at the same time."

I guess this is why he had this long drought of CP-less period... as well as not participating in Akamaru's bangaihen...

 

[Sexy Randal 105]

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So much for Bakuman being a hit. It's been doing kind of poorly lately.

 

[kewl0210]

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Bakuman's gotten plenty of color pages and never gotten into the bottom 5, so it's doing fine, really.

Toriko's back where it was, this TOC is fairly normal. Does anyone else thing Kuroko has gotten an inordinant amount of color pages?
Wouldn't it be something if the big announcement was Kochikame was ending?

 

[fxu]

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One can only hope.

No manga should ever run for that long... even if you don't need to read from chapter 1 to get what's going on.

 

[StrangerAtaru]

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One can only hope.

No manga should ever run for that long... even if you don't need to read from chapter 1 to get what's going on.

Akimoto likes going to work every morning, and considering that it is rather easy to do a series like KochiKame compared to some "super huge and meaningful epic that could fall apart easily if you screw it up", I say more power to him. Personally, I really want to get around to reading KochiKame (maybe even translating it) and...well if he retires, it's a shame but it's his decision being in the industry for so long successfully. (and if he doesn't and the announcement is something else, then he can still bring it after all)

 

[Finestela]

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Unless Akimoto really wants to retire, he can stay there to the end of time (well, or untill his natural life allows him).

Even if he thinks he can't sustain the pace of weekly series, he can always ask to transfer to SQ.

I mean Petalliro is still running as well, though not in Hana to Yume anymore, but rather in Bessatsu Hana to Yume as well as Melody... So it's not THAT unique

 

[Imitorar]

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Unless Akimoto really wants to retire, he can stay there to the end of time (well, or untill his natural life allows him).

Even if he thinks he can't sustain the pace of weekly series, he can always ask to transfer to SQ.

I mean Petalliro is still running as well, though not in Hana to Yume anymore, but rather in Bessatsu Hana to Yume as well as Melody... So it's not THAT unique

I think he can manage the pace. From a blurb from Oda in the cover of Kochikame volume 122 (I read it on a One Piece fansite, so that's why I'm quoting someone else's statment about Akimoto from about 8 years ago) Akimoto works like a machine now. He just rolls chapters off. I guess after 33 years, he has it down to a science.

 

[Rejuvenation]

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Bakuman's gotten plenty of color pages and never gotten into the bottom 5, so it's doing fine, really.

Plus it still sells well enough. Bakuman is one of the last new series I'd really be worrying about.

Does anyone else thing Kuroko has gotten an inordinant amount of color pages? Wouldn't it be something if the big announcement was Kochikame was ending?

Yes to the first. Jump seems to be putting what it can in for Kuroko it seems.

If it actually ended that would be quite the shocker. Also I would probably be happy with one less "immortal" series taking up room. >.>

 

[Siberia]

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is Kochikame gonna end soon or be still ongoing ?

 

[Kaiten]

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is Kochikame gonna end soon or still be ongoing ?

There's an "announcement" to be included with issue 27. No one knows what the announcement is. After 1600 chapters, ending sounds far fetched, but you never know. Akimoto is only in his 50's, a good decade away from retirement age. I'm willing to bet they will announce a new anime, or a movie.

 

[Finestela]

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Plus it still sells well enough. Bakuman is one of the last new series I'd really be worrying about.

I agree, by selling more than Eyeshield as well as ToLoveRu per tank volume, I can see it being dead last and still go on for long time.