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I don't wish to sound like a troll, but whats with naruto's consistent high rankings?
Admittedly its a good manga, but not enough to dominate the polls.
Loyal supporters regardless of what happens in the story apparently. It just has THAT many people to back it really.
 

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Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

Do you we early spoilers this week, because the next issue comes out on Saturday instead of Monday?
 

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By looking the fall of Akaboshi, I'm afraid that Kagijin going to fall like Akaboshi. Also, it looks like first line-up of new series usually survive and other new series are fall.
 

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I have a feeling this year will be like 2007. Barely anything is good enough to survive.
 

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By looking the fall of Akaboshi, I'm afraid that Kagijin going to fall like Akaboshi. Also, it looks like first line-up of new series usually survive and other new series are fall.
I wouldn't say Kagijin is gonna fall yet. I mean it just started, there is no way to tell yet. And Akaboshi came in at a bad time. The magazine is flooded with action manga and it wasn't original enough to stand out.

Also, it looks like first line-up of new series usually survive and other new series are fall.
What do you mean?

Do you mean the first set (Meister, Bokke, and Kuroko or Beelzebub and Hoopmen)? Or like the first series in the new set? Like in Medaka and Akaboshi, Medaka makes it and Akaboshi fails.
 

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The problem is that there are too many "eternal" series running on Jump nowadays. So, there's no space for 5 or 6 new series...
 

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I like my eternal series, so I see no problem in getting only a handful of new ones from time to time >.>
 

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The problem is that there are too many "eternal" series running on Jump nowadays. So, there's no space for 5 or 6 new series...
There will never be space for 5 or 6 new series. In the last decade there has been one year where five new series lasted more then a year, 2004. Death Note, Gintama, Reborn, D. Gray Man, and Muhyo to Rojii started that year. 2004 was a huge exception; an inordinate number of established series ended in 2003 while only one series to start that year lasted until the end of 2004 (Buso Renkin btw). Four series from 2008 have lasted, or will soon reach, a year: Psyren, Mago, Toriko, and Bakuman. 2007's Sket Dance has now lasted two years. The class of 2004's success meant fewer series debuted between 2005 and 2007. The success of 2008 has meant fewer debuts this year and fewer cancellations.
 

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The problem is that there are too many "eternal" series running on Jump nowadays. So, there's no space for 5 or 6 new series...
"Eternal" only really fits Kochikame, Jaguar, and HunterXHunter. The latter of which is out of the magazine more often than in it. Ok, if you wanted to make a case for One Piece I'd give you that too.

But as for all the successes from 2004 and the recent successes, well WSJ could either respond to it with bringing in fewer series or making it so the magazine holds more. Both of which are unlikely I think.

Granted Shounen Magazine has around 25 last I checked in comparison to WSJ's 18-20 but a few of those often take more breaks too.
 

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Last year was an exception, fewer series debuted in 2005, 2006, and 2007. So far 2009 has had fewer as well.

Not sure why anyone would want more debuts. That means more cancellations :/ Won't be Naruto and Bleach getting canceled either.
 

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Last year was an exception, fewer series debuted in 2005, 2006, and 2007. So far 2009 has had fewer as well.

Not sure why anyone would want more debuts. That means more cancellations :/ Won't be Naruto and Bleach getting canceled either.
Yeah it would be nice if Jump would just go "You know, maybe if we quit canceling so much stuff, we might end up with more hits."

But they will just keep canceling series that might have a chance of developing a cult following or even a major following if given time to fester. lol
 

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What do you mean?

Do you mean the first set (Meister, Bokke, and Kuroko or Beelzebub and Hoopmen)? Or like the first series in the new set? Like in Medaka and Akaboshi, Medaka makes it and Akaboshi fails.
I mean first series in the new set, like Beelzebub and Hoopmen, and Medaka and Akaboshi (Beelzebub and Medaka survived, and Hoopmen and Akaboshi are not).
 

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Adding less new stuff and cancelling less really would be a lot better.

Works for Sunday most of the time.

Edit: Also, as far as I recall Psyren and Mago were the first of their batches. I think Sket Dance came after Belmonde though.
 
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I mean first series in the new set, like Beelzebub and Hoopmen, and Medaka and Akaboshi (Beelzebub and Medaka survived, and Hoopmen and Akaboshi are not).
I think that's just a coincidence. Kuroko was the second in its group, and its the only one left now.
 

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Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

Adding less new stuff and cancelling less really would be a lot better.

Works for Sunday most of the time.

Edit: Also, as far as I recall Psyren and Mago were the first of their batches. I think Sket Dance came after Belmonde though.
Meister was the first of it's batch, it lasted a whole 10 chapters.

Sunday is hemorrhaging readers. Nothing they do works.
 

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Naruto, Reborn, Psyren, Mago, Toriko, Bakuman, Beelzebub, and MedakaBox are the examples for first series in the new set for currently ongoing series. Also, Rookies, Shaman King, Black Cat, Mr. Fullswing, Eyeshield 21, and Death Note are also good example. Like Bakuman said, first series in new line-up are which Jump editors' expectation series.
 

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There's no such thing as a natural ending in wsj. Let's say PoT wasn't axed but it had - what felt like - an unnatural ending
There are natural endings but it's few and far between that it feels natural enough. DB for the most part got to it's "ending" regardless of Toriyama's bitching and screaming forcing the series to go beyond it's lifespan. Kinnikuman also got to it's finale with no real problem. And meanwhile there are certain series whose "style" seems to allow for a natural ending regardless of whether it ends by author decision or low polling. (Nube is the best example of that)
 

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Meister was the first of it's batch, it lasted a whole 10 chapters.

Sunday is hemorrhaging readers. Nothing they do works.
Was talking more general quality of the comics, but fair point. That's probably a lot more applicable to what's being discussed.
 
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Re: Weekly Shounen Jump [2009] - Discussion & TOC Talk v.2

Naruto, Reborn, Psyren, Mago, Toriko, Bakuman, Beelzebub, and MedakaBox are the examples for first series in the new set for currently ongoing series. Also, Rookies, Shaman King, Black Cat, Mr. Fullswing, Eyeshield 21, and Death Note are also good example. Like Bakuman said, first series in new line-up are which Jump editors' expectation series.
Yeah but I think it was said here that Gintama was in the set of new series with Death Note and I assume its sold more than Death Note cause its been going so much longer.
 

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Death Note sold around 24 million and Gintama around 22 million. That's the number on 2008, I don't know if it has increased.
 
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