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Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

with so much hiatus and so many mangaka moving to Jump SQ, I'm wonder why Shueisha bothers to keep Togashi in WSJ.
with barely 10 chap per year, monthly is a better deal.

I guess Togashi don't want to move? (does WSJ pay better than SQ?)
 

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Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

I'm wonder why Shueisha bothers to keep Togashi in WSJ.
If you take a look at the sales of the Weekly Shounen Jump issues in which Hunter x Hunter appeared, you might find an answer there.

Nobody knows exactly why, but despite the long waits in between volumes, Togashi remains in charge of an insane army of fanboys that'll run to the stores at the first sight of Gon. Whenever HxH returns to Shounen Jump out of nowhere, it is heralded by the release of the tank version of the previous ten chapters, by several Jump covers and some strategically placed ads, so that these people who would normally not buy the magazine know it's time to share their money with big daddy Shueisha again. And it shows.
 

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Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

yeah, but to me it seemed like Shueisha is trying to promote Jump SQ sails these days.
if its a monthly, they get a consistently high sale opposed to a short boost. (and hopefully better quality chapters) its not like people will not buy the magazines if its on SQ, right?

WSJ is already the number one seller and one of the few magazines that manages to increase its sails even in these hard times. it would be nice to share the wealth with SQ, which isn't selling as well.
 

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Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

Being in a monthly won't necessarily make Togashi more productive. He'd probably still only do a volumes worth, four or five chapters instead of ten.

Irregularly serialized manga aren't that unusual, HXH is not even the most extreme case. At best seven or eight chapters of Berserk are released a year. Inoue releases fewer than 10 chapters of Real a year (haven't counted how many since they're not translated). He releases Vagabond in volume length bursts, much like Togashi, only Inoue is more likely to release two volumes worth a year. I'm sure there are more examples I'm not thinking of. Hunter x Hunter is only unusual in that fans get a lot more angsty.
 

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Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

Something about Jump manga taking breaks, even one week breaks, make fans go crazy. I have less of a probably with the breaks then I do with the terrible quality of the art and the extremely slow pacing of the chapters released. You would think that if he didn't want to do it so bad that the releases are so slow and the quality is as bad as it is, Togashi would just begin to end it instead of stretching it out like he does.
 

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Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

Well, a volume a year isn't that bad, really, nor is it rare for a manga series in general, but the thing is: we're talking about a mainstream shounen series here.

It's rather rare for a series to survive publication breaks of this kind, since the market for shounen fantasy titles is a lot more competitive than that of the seinen-series-with-heavily-detailed-artwork you mentioned, and both the fanbase and higher-ups in the genre are a lot more fickle.

If a normal shounen series would pull of a hiatus like this, it'd be over. It'd get cut. (This danger has actually been portrayed rather dramatically in a recent storyline of Bakuman, for those that read it). You need to be a well-established author, whom the management trusts to be able to sell well enough even after a long break, if your series is to survive such a predicament, normally.

For example, D.Gray-man's recent move to Jump SQ is clearly something of a demotion of the series. Fan response to the latest arc had been rather bad, and with all the problems Hoshino had keeping her deadlines for whatever reason, I dare guess (<- important word) it was in very real danger of getting cut altogether. Possibly it was saved by the knowledge that the upcoming OVA series would once again boost sales in the future, but who is to say...
 

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Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

Being in a monthly won't necessarily make Togashi more productive. He'd probably still only do a volumes worth, four or five chapters instead of ten.

Irregularly serialized manga aren't that unusual, HXH is not even the most extreme case. At best seven or eight chapters of Berserk are released a year. Inoue releases fewer than 10 chapters of Real a year (haven't counted how many since they're not translated). He releases Vagabond in volume length bursts, much like Togashi, only Inoue is more likely to release two volumes worth a year. I'm sure there are more examples I'm not thinking of. Hunter x Hunter is only unusual in that fans get a lot more angsty.
mann, I feel so small against Kaiten :p

well, lets hope Togashi maintains his quality before the hiatus. that one wasn't all that bad compared to the usual ones.

I'm guessing HxH will eventually end up being like Yu Yu: all the fights reduced to texts. its already showing signs of it.
 

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I have less of a probably with the breaks then I do with the terrible quality of the art and the extremely slow pacing of the chapters released.
Ah? I actually found this arc has had some pretty good artwork going on? And the 'slow pacing' of the chapters is what's being praised all around as 'amazing psychological content' by other fanboys, which is what makes it stand out from the other fantasy battle series, according to reviewers. But meh, I digres, it's in the eye of the beholder. I can fully imagine that the volume 26 that makes me, personally, jump for joy whenever I read it, would bore other people who had been fans up to that point. *shrugs*
 

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Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

First of all: FUCK YEAH!!!

Second of all:



Nah, Togashi, during the latter part of Greed Island and the early parts of the Chimaera Ant Arc, had been heavily redrawing the series for the tank releases. His magazine releases were often no more than rough drafts, at times, because he kept missing his deadlines for whatever reason.

So, since The Great Hiatus of Feb'06-Oct'07, he's now only getting his chapters published whenever he finishes a full volume. In January as well, we'll only get one volume worth of chapters, before it'll go on hiatus again for an undetermined amount of time.

Still, I've learned to live with it, and the volumes that've been released like this since The Great Hiatus have been some of the greatest I've ever read, so my fanboyism hasn't been killed yet, not at all. <333
You sure? I mean... I was talking about the art of the Chimera Ant arc, that was poor. Was greed island like that too ? (I mean, I only started reading when the manga was already at the Chimera Art. I read Greed Island with the normal quality, the good one).

For me, it made sense... But if it is because Togashi is really slow, it makes me sad.
 

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Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

Greed Island art never got QUITE as bad as Chimera Ant did, but it gets pretty noticeable towards the end.
 

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Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

Depends. Are you comparing magazine versions or the tank versions? There's quite a difference. And the artwork in the Chimaera Ant tankouban has been quite awesome. Major difference from the scribbles that were released in Weekly Shounen Jump for those same chapters.

I've seen few manga series with artwork as bad as the first few chapters of Hunter x Hunter. And you can't blame it on him having to get used to it, as you can with other manga series, because he was already a veteran mangaka at the time, with more than fifty volumes published... You'd think a guy knows how to draw properly by then. But yeah, Togashi's art style had changed with every few volumes, from the very beginning. Both the ratio of realism against comedic stylisation and the sheer 'quality' of his artwork have been going up and down throughout the entire series, at random.

During most of the Greed Island Arc, Togashi had been drawing in a very cutesy big-eyed style, with very awkward facial expressions en body shapes, and spent a lot of time drawing (and after a while, simply photocopying) trees for the background.
Then at some point he had been cheating most of the time with the backgrounds, scanning and stylising people partying (after Gon won Greed Island) and foresty landscapes (Killua's solo antics against the Ants come to mind), and with the current design of the palace, he was saving himself all that trouble, and creates a very clean and straight environment, so he'd spend most of his time drawing straight lines for the backgrounds. 'Get out your ruler, and do what any assistant could've!'

During the course of the arc, though, as the settings have gotten simpler and more urban, his characters and their designs have greatly improved (well, his human designs that is, the ants are all random and awkward, but that's what they're supposed to be, is what I keep telling myself...).

When he draws clothes, he uses quick scribbles on just the right places so you can see all the folds and strains on the fabric, without it becoming a mess of black stripes or anything. That's not something you can put on paper just like that: it means he knew exactly how he wanted them posed, and how their clothes would fit their bodies at that moment. This is especially notable for Shoot's garb, or for Morel's shirt. The man can't draw muscles though. He knows where they should be, and it's anatomically correct, but the proportions are all wacky (talking about all those shots of Montutyupi and Knuckle's torsos here, ughhhh).

But the greatest improvement has been facial expressions. It took him more than twohundred chapters, but Gon and Killua's faces during this last arc have been amazing. For example, take chapter 265 [Netero flashback, Netero vs Nefelpitoh, the encounter with Montutyupi on the central staircase and the dragon dive]:
- p01 -> awkward muscles are awkward
- p15 -> great facial expressions: Yupi, surprised but not startled. Morel, showing no emotions, appearing at ease, yet obviously isn't. Shoot, nervous but concentrated. Knuckle, scared but eager to go at the same time. Meleoron, nervously anticipating Yupi's actions. Flutter, emotionless, he's dead after all, just a puppet. And then Gon and Killua: if you look at their faces, they appear quite similar. Same glazy eyes, similar eyebrow shape, same mouth. But still, you can see they're both quite calm on the inside, but beneith that you can see Gon burning, and Killua concentrated to the extreme. It's subtleties like these that I enjoy greatly, when reading this manga, despite the fact that the plot didn't move a single inch with this page!
- p16-17 / p18-19 -> pay special attention to the posing of characters like Shoot and Knuckle, and the effect this has on their clothes. Or Gon's and Killua's shirts, for example. I especially love Shoot on page 17. At first his left foot seems kind of awkward, but then you notice he's bending his legs, and is actually sliding into place, since he's still in motion from the sudden burst into the room. All of this, and the awesome movement between the less-than-a-second that time moves forward between those two doublespreads look so awesome that you'd almost ignore that the stairs just grew about one and half times in size! (Seriously, take a look at the backgrounds, and compare it to the size of the characters, hahaha). Also, the background of those central stairways looks mighty impressive like that, but is all pretty simple to draw. Clearly some time was saved on all this.

But yeah, uhm, I was just saying, you don't see this kind of motion and emotion in the character art of Greed Island, especially with some of the characters (Biscuit, Genthru, to name a few) not even having shown more than two or three different facial expressions throughout the entire arc. In the aspect of character art, York Shin City was a lot better than Greed Island, you could say. And in the current arc, Meryem, ugly as his design may be, has at least shown to be a much more intricate character in both personality, character developement, and expressions than any Greed Island character I can remember... Moreover, we're actually delving into the psyche of the enemies this time again, which hasn't really happened since the spiders.

TL;DR: I love this arc. Characters and character artwork are great. >_>

(Also, just for the record: I'm a great fan of Greed Island as well, moreso than any part of YorkShin City or any of the earlier arcs, it's not that I'm specifically calling it bad.)

edit/ I was taking a break from writing a paper due monday, and during said break, I typed in more words than I had left to write for said paper...
 
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Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

HxH Cover 27
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Spoilers are out, many thanks to kewl0210 and nexgear forum.











Page 0: (color page)
I see nothing about how long it is. It just says on the first page "Chimera Ants VS Humans" "For the end, the greatest fight!" The rest is just "commemorative center color" and "re-serialization" .
Make of that what you will... Course parts of the page are cut off, so there could be something about 10 chapters. Who knows... How many friggin times is Pitou's hair color gonna change... are the other guys really all solid colors or is it a stylistic thing...? Who knows.

Page 1:
The big words mean "Since when?" or "For how long?" depending on context.

Page 2:
It's a sentence fragment and I don't know the context but it's something like "And then the one waiting for the enemy's attack was"

Page 3:
"Hyakushiki Kannon" same attack as before. 100-style Kannon, the bodhisattva of compassion.

Page 4:
99 Palms (Kyuu Jyuu Kyuu no Te)

Page 5:
"As the defeated opponent bowed his head" "And as he extended his glove-like hands" "without hesitation" "who was the one who then responded?" same kinda fragment as the first sentence about attacks. Also I can't see the part about his hands well, that's probably wrong, but it's something like that.

Page 6:
"It's not" "like that!" "What I wanted" "the height of martial arts was" also a fragment ending with a subject marker...

Page 7:
"This place is" "a graveyard." "Yours."

Page 8:
"Everything up until here" "in this"
Bottom's blurry, but it's like "Netero putting in all of his spirit"
 

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Re: Hunter x Hunter by Togashi Yoshihiro

but from the spoilers the art looks AWESOME
 

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Holy crap!! Togashi actually drew those pages really well :o That's a great surprise
 

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Haha King is getting pushed back :D
NIce to see that , i was expecting that fight very one-sided , for the king ofcourse :), Well that is only beggining so who knows , and btw YEEEEAAh finally hunter is back !!:D
 

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AWESOME! ;;__;; I've missed HxH. Looked at the first page and indeed art seems to be nice.


@astral: In Spoiler tag please <.< Read your first line and already got spoiled beyond what I would have liked to know.
 

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Oh i'm really with the return of HXH ,
But after saw the pics ,i'm a little dessapointed :Only Netero and the King :/
but the fight look great so let's wait the translation:D
Oh and no cover for HXH:( but a good color page!
Happy christmas everyone;)
 

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Very impressive artwork, the first time I've been truly impressed since Greed Island ended. More complicated cross hatching than I normally associate with Togashi.

Epic chapter, maybe not a years wait epic, but seeing the King get pwned for the first time was cool. I miss Gon and Killua but getting to see Netero's nen in action makes up for that. I can't imagine the King being beat down without a good counter attack, a one sided fight does not seem likely. Besides, I'm not really interested in seeing him die. While still technically a villain, watching him openly question his own blood lust and nature has been one of the more rewarding experiences I've had with manga "recently".
 
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