One Piece Mega Convo Thread, the 2nd Chapter

[Black Lagoon]

Being able to pull of something like killing the 4th commander is in advantage of the WG but it also warns them that he had to be strong too and thus they should've been cautious about it in case he should turn against the WG.

Even Kuma mentioned in his talk with Moria that making Blackbeard a Shichibukai would crumble entirely the balance between the 3 big forces. How can Kuma see what was coming and the WG not? A lot are aware about Blackbeard like WB/Shanks/Kuma and WG was the only force that didn't try to pressure him or be aware of him.

Another trait he shares with Luffy, totally being ignored as a threat for the WB.

the answer is your first paragraph itself that's exactly what I wanted to say.
the fact of killing the 4th commander is also a warning as you say, he never (I think) attempted something against the WG ... so no evidence => no bounty (at least not shown), but they are aware of him, you can not kill a commander of the strongest man and go around like if nothing happened.

 

[vagabond87]

If Blackbeard will show up I wonder if we will see his tatoo- he was decades one of the Whitebeard pirates so he must have one. Probably large one on his back and it can be interesting to see him thanking Whitebeard for everything. I know it sounds almost impossible but if Blackbeard show up he will probably make contact with Whitebeard and if he have time he will feel free to say whatever he want to him because state of Whitebeards health.

 

[Black Lagoon]

he's probably painted with black that mustache

Just found this pic it's amazing

Spoiler

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

If BB comes in MHQ and kills WB, I'll be very disappointed : it would be a complete failure for his character.
First of all because that is not what I would call a shock for the world : the world would not be surprised if WB was to fall in the war at MHQ (and especially after all the injuries he got). Secondly because that would mean BB plans to get the darkness fruit to get the power to be Shichibukai to be able to go to ID to get sth/sb to come back to WB and beat him
I expect BB to be a more interesting character than that : if he travelled and did all that just to claim for WB's title of strongest man, he is not that much interesting : actually, we have plenty of silver medalists around the world. And I'd prefer someone like Crocodile that directly goes to fight WB, than someone who would set up a complicated and difficult plan just to fight WB. Trust BB, he is not that boring : he will do a fantastic thing, he is not there to reclaim WB's prestige but to build his own

 

[vagabond87]

If BB comes in MHQ and kills WB, I'll be very disappointed : it would be a complete failure for his character.
First of all because that is not what I would call a shock for the world : the world would not be surprised if WB was to fall in the war at MHQ (and especially after all the injuries he got). Secondly because that would mean BB plans to get the darkness fruit to get the power to be Shichibukai to be able to go to ID to get sth/sb to come back to WB and beat him
I expect BB to be a more interesting character than that : if he travelled and did all that just to claim for WB's title of strongest man, he is not that much interesting : actually, we have plenty of silver medalists around the world. And I'd prefer someone like Crocodile that directly goes to fight WB, than someone who would set up a complicated and difficult plan just to fight WB. Trust BB, he is not that boring : he will do a fantastic thing, he is not there to reclaim WB's prestige but to build his own

I didt writen anything about Balckbeard killing Whitebeard or taking his title of strongest man. Only about him showing up in the marineford. We really cant predict what he done or will do but maby he have some other interest in showing up in the end of the war. Look here:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/544/15/
he said it to ones going to war..
And "ultimate show" doesn't apply to something that he will do in the shadows. We will see it.. Or not

 

[Black Lagoon]

I didt writen anything about Balckbeard killing Whitebeard or taking his title of strongest man. Only about him showing up in the marineford. We really cant predict what he done or will do but maby he have some other interest in showing up in the end of the war. Look here:
http://www.onemanga.com/One_Piece/544/15/
he said it to ones going to war..
And "ultimate show" doesn't apply to something that he will do in the shadows. We will see it.. Or not

I think he refers to what I've said here :

He wants to shock the world, and right now the entire attention of the world is on the war. Though I don't disregard the possibility that Oda could throw us a curveball and have BB do something totally unexpected and shocking, however him killing WB would cement him as the final boss as most expect him to be so I think that that's why most think he'll appear here.

but you can see that what I've said is "... that's why most think he'll appear here"

 

[jamjamstyle]

I'm changing the topic a bit. I've been wondering about this for a while and i hope it isn't mentioned in this thread but:

Do you think that those with the Haōshoku somehow could posses hidden traces or fragments of old memories of the secret past? I assume it's a ancient power, the Haōshoku, and those who where chosen because they have the will to change and succeed in things.

Furthermore..

It could explain why someone like Roger would have a sudden interest in the past. Roger himself was described as someone who likes flashy things and fighting, but yet he was interested in a lost history.

I also believe that creating Haki was the king or God's decision as response for the devil who planted it roots with the fruits who granted people power but also played a role in a bigger slaughter of humans.

Meh those are just things that suddenly pop up when i think about it, don't know if they were mentioned in this thread.

 

[Razh]

It could explain why someone like Roger would have a sudden interest in the past. Roger himself was described as someone who only likes flashy things and fighting, but yet he was interested in a lost history.

Roger's youth is a complete mystery for now, so we have no way of knowing how sudden his interest was. For all we know, he could have slowly been developing interest for 10-15 years.
Also, it was never said that Roger only liked flashy things and fighting but that he enjoyed in them. His character is deeper than just enjoyment in flashy stuff and fights.

 

[jamjamstyle]

Roger's youth is a complete mystery for now, so we have no way of knowing how sudden his interest was. For all we know, he could have slowly been developing interest for 10-15 years.
Also, it was never said that Roger only liked flashy things and fighting but that he enjoyed in them. His character is deeper than just enjoyment in flashy stuff and fights.

Ah yes my mistake there, your right. Hmm, i'm really trying to find a link between Roger, the secret history and the ancient power Haōshoku. I know that Roger has a deep character but many mentioned him when they see Luffy and Luffy isn't interested in the secret past despite sharing most Roger's interests/personality. He doesn't even care about his crewmates past. That's why i thought that Luffy might get some visions in the future which might attract his attention about the topic. Either way, that's Oda for yah, amazing story telling.

I think that we'll get more information next chapter because this time there are more people involved and some of them might explain to their subordinates what exactly Luffy did and what his power actually is and originated from.

 

[fcuklife]

Reasons why oda stands above other manga authors..! no disrespect to ne other mangas...(heck i like bleach, naruto, fairy taiil mah self...)

1) 1 of all a point which i have noticed since a while, in his mangas oda never goes specifically into a certain part. he keeps moving the stry, does not get fixated on 1 thing for a long time...lik for eg in this war, we saw hancock kicks the pacifista head, or we saw hawkeyes vs vista, he does not go deeper into these needless fights, he leaves it for the anime to fill it up. Thats why if u notice, one piece has the least fillers, because every chapter can be filled up in 20 min anime because it gives them room to fill up the un-important parts skipped by the manga.

2) Character growth: In one piece when a person is said to be strong, he is bloody strong (well except for smoker who is under-rated in the manga, should be atleast titled v.a, while moria has been overestimated), like whitebeard, strongest man in the world, till now he has shown his strength, heck he was able to go up against an admiral with a stabbed wound and old age. the comanders of 1 n 3 division, have shown to be strong, marco was evenly matched with kizaru bt he gt distracted n tht led to his downfall which is very realistic. same with jjoz. iva right hand man/woman of dragon was able to go up against kuma. Luffy is strng bt not strng enough to be in their league.

3) keeps the story moving, every chapter brings something new or is leading to a build up. Oda loves to leave clues. for eg: squad o in 1 chapter was said to have vanished and also there was no sign of akainu, and then later we saw what happened. We have seen that the whole war arc has never been 1 sided, it keeps shifting which keeps us guessing what the hell will happen next. the war arc has been goin on since 20 chapters n we have seen how much it has progressed, while in bleach it takes ichigo 7 chapters to cross a 2 min path which gets so fustrating.

4) n finally the most imp of all, its realistic, the haki based attacks, we 1 saw luffy use it wen he stopped that cow/bull of that sanji duplicate. then we saw it again in amazon lily n den finally in the war. so its not like he suddenly gt this major power, he has shown us that luffy has haki n den shown us how powerful it is.
most imp of all luffy is the main character of the manga, yet in the war they have emphasised more on whitebeard crew and the admirals. However he has played a imp part n at some parts was very imp but has nt been given so much emphasis (like for eg kickin an admiral ass o somethin). He has been shown as being strong bt the level of a v.a tops.

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however one piece also has many faults like the new world pirates have not shown to be very strong besides the whitebeard crew n a few oder things..

 

[vagabond87]

I know its probably nothing but it bothering me..
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/archive/6/6e/20091023194653!Jozu_vs_Crocodile.jpg
Here we can see that Jozu is going into diamond and part of his armor is turning into diamond as well. Did any other paramecia user changed his clothes into something during using DF or only logias(Crocodile,Admirals,Ace...) are doing that???

 

[fcuklife]

well i am nt 2 shure bt...
1) wen robin attacked ao kiji, he totally turned into ice, and then reformed
2) wen kizaru gt cut by tht singing guy...! his clothes also gt reformed along with his body which was kinda wierd..!

 

[Black Lagoon]

@ fcuklife - One piece is more than a simple manga for real fans like me

The creativity of the characters, the hilarious moments, the epic feel of the arcs, the bad guys who are actually bad, the insane and varied twists and reveals, not to mention Oda actually puts emotion and depth into his characters and their stories. (I've read this somewhere long time ago and saved it because it's exactly what I feel)

Plus no Uchihas.

 

[fcuklife]

yeah i know how u feel..! u feel lik u re just part of the whole thing innit..! nyz mah earlier discussion was just from an objective point of view. Explaining mah reasons to a 3 person in simple facts why oda is a better author..!

 

[Wowzers]

I know its probably nothing but it bothering me..
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/onepiece/images/archive/6/6e/20091023194653!Jozu_vs_Crocodile.jpg
Here we can see that Jozu is going into diamond and part of his armor is turning into diamond as well. Did any other paramecia user changed his clothes into something during using DF or only logias(Crocodile,Admirals,Ace...) are doing that???

Well, every devilfruit is different, but yes others do affect their clothes too. Luffy himself is a good example as his clothes stretch when he does different things... Fuusen is a good example as his vest stretches somewhat. Similarly, in Alabasta when Luffy goes Mizu-Luffy, it stretches then too. When a Zoan df user changes, their clothes still fit them, even when their shape isn't even resembling a human anymore.... while they are at least partly human. Not to be left out Logias retain their clothes even when intangible.

 

[vagabond87]

Well, every devilfruit is different, but yes others do affect their clothes too. Luffy himself is a good example as his clothes stretch when he does different things... Fuusen is a good example as his vest stretches somewhat. Similarly, in Alabasta when Luffy goes Mizu-Luffy, it stretches then too. When a Zoan df user changes, their clothes still fit them, even when their shape isn't even resembling a human anymore.... while they are at least partly human. Not to be left out Logias retain their clothes even when intangible.

Thanks.. But I was thinking not about streching clothes but about changing them into element of the DF, so im still thinking is there any other not logia fruit changing them like Jozus?
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/on..._Crocodile.jpg
I think there is a chance him being a logia or he is made out of milions of smaller diamonds so he can reeatach his arm... And if anybody thinking about Magellan he was covered in poison- not changed his clothes into it.
Probably I thinking to much about it is because I dont want see Whitebeard top capitans out of battle or maby Oda is showing us ther will be nobody stronger than Ace in Whitebeards crew after the War so he will be capitan..

 

[msg]

What i love to see is someone actually come up with a proper difinitions of what really is a Logia and a Paramecia.It's actually like trying to figure out if pluto is a planet or not orwhat is a planet?Scientists actually arguing about this...just an example.I'm actually disagree at some of difinitions of logia found at one piece wikia.

last question...Do Logia need to be exclusively be intangible?

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

What i love to see is someone actually come up with a proper difinitions of what really is a Logia and a Paramecia.It's actually like trying to figure out if pluto is a planet or not orwhat is a planet?Scientists actually arguing about this...just an example.I'm actually disagree at some of difinitions of logia found at one piece wikia.

last question...Do Logia need to be exclusively be intangible?

I think the Pluto matter has been solved : Pluto is not considered as a planet of the solar system anymore.

About logias, they do not need to be exclusively intangible : BB's DF is the proof of that. Anyway, it seems all the logia users must have the ability to create a matter.
Yet, Mr 3's and Magellan's DF allow them to create matter and they aren't considered as logias.
Hina's paramecia allows her to create and turn his body into iron objects, Largo in the anime can also create and turn into nets, Bellamy can turn into springs. The differences with the logias seems to be that their body can turn into a matter but they got injured if this matter is destroyed (they cannot rebuild it), and they cannot stretch/extend their matter-body like classical logias can.

 

[White Silver King]

A Logia DF is quite simply a type of fruit that allows the eater to manipulate and become a certain element, even BB's DF " allows the user to transform into and control darkness." No Paramecia has this ability, which is why I know Jozu is a Logia and why I am pretty positive he isn't done yet. I also think the same about Marco, he only has sea stone on one arm so he can most likely just rip it off or just kill the VA (which I know he is able to do) that put it on him and take the key. I also think we'll see their real powers once they switch enemies, it makes sense they would do this because Fire vs. Ice for obvious reasons, and Diamond vs. Light because diamonds have a light reflective property which would make for an interesting fight (especially if Jozu could turn his whole body into diamond, take in a beam of Kizaru's light and magnify it and blast throughout his whole body kind of like how a diamond reflects light in all directions when you hold it up to a light). And there's the fact that Marco's fruit is described as being even more powerful than a Logia, and we have still yet to see his hybrid form which is almost always the most powerful form of zoan fruits.

 

[Fox666]

I am not sure about Jozu being a Logia. It could just be just like Magellan, not a diamon body, but a diamon armor.

Somehow, thinking about it, Jozu body was just half transformed when he was hit by Mihawk. That's quite weird, since if Mihawk slash was in angle Jozu would be sliced... it is like as if Jozu's body turned in diamond as a reflex of Mihawk attack.

But even if he is a Logia, if his arm is broken because he was frozen, doesn't that mean that the arm wasn't in diamon form either way? I mean, why would diamon break after being frozen?