Who will be next Admiral?

[Wisshard]

Interestingly, I'd like to see momonga as an admiral.

Momonga was effortlessly forced to his knees by Hancock, I just can't see a potential Admiral being treated that way by a Shichibukai (especially after Akainu's words to Jinbei "You, a Shichibukai, should know the difference in our power" (something to that effect)).

[Momonga] is both, a haki and rokushiki user and clearly more than strong enough to give luffy the fodder treatment

^He gave an exahusted, injured base Luffy the "fodder treatment" together with another VA, hardly the most accurate scene to gauge Momonga's strength...

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

Well, Doflamingo played with that guy. So I wouldn't expected someone who was humiliated to take such an important hole in the series.

Doflamingo humiliated the man that was under his control. He made a marine officer attack this Vice-Admiral - trying to strangle and then to stab him. Anyway, this Vice-Admiral did not get injured and was not controlled so I don't think he was humiliated.

 

[molecularpepsi]

i know it wouldn't make sense, as he technically isn't a marine, but i really hope Magellan gets the job as the new admiral!

he has shown that he is almost unbeatable and i don't think Oda would showcase his awesome ability for nothing.

pirates and marines would definitely fear and respect him respectively. he doesn't have a japanese actor's mug, but he is by far the most dominating character we've seen in One peace outside of Enel, the yonkou, the shichibukai and admirals.

probably will never happen, but if the marines really want to shake things up and if Oda wants to surprise us, it just might.

 

[kkck]

Momonga was effortlessly forced to his knees by Hancock, I just can't see a potential Admiral being treated that way by a Shichibukai (especially after Akainu's words to Jinbei "You, a Shichibukai, should know the difference in our power" (something to that effect)).


^He gave an exahusted, injured base Luffy the "fodder treatment" together with another VA, hardly the most accurate scene to gauge Momonga's strength...

Hancock has an ability which allows her to turn the lust of someone against that someone. That is a heck of an ability and would work on practically any dude with a functional pair of balls for the most part. It's not a matter of strength, momonga was not in any way forced to his knees due to a difference in skill. Hancock's ability is very convenient in that it works just the same on anyone regardless of their strength, if you feel lust then you are screwed.

Luffy had received the adrenaline hormones and was in gear two. Hormones allow him to ignore fatigue and we all know what gear 2 does.

 

[elitefox]

^I'm rooting for Strawberry-san, my favorite among the Vice-Admirals in terms of design though I fear that he is too lenient for such a promotion (the Gorouse seem to side with Akainu's view of justice more). And since he hasn't been shown to be outstanding among the Vice-Admirals in terms of strength either (like Garp) my hopes are not high.

If Aokiji is promoted to Fleet-Admiral then I think Smoker will be promoted to Admiral (if he is able to use Haki) or at least Vice-Admiral. But if Akainu becomes the next Fleet-Admiral, I think a more ruthless, established Vice-Admiral like Onigumo will be promoted. Though that will ruin the trend of all Admirals being logia-users...

Even if all admirals go down, smoker won't be getting admiral title soon unless he proves that he is stronger than most of the vice-admirals

Most likely and Naturally the selection would come from the vice-admirals

We haven't seen all vice admirals, so there might be someone that is not highlighted from the war or even not in the war who'll get promoted.

I wonder who assigns the admiral position? Fleet admiral / Pan admiral / Gourousei

 

[DARK]

Interestingly, I'd like to see momonga as an admiral. He is both, a haki and rokushiki user and clearly more than strong enough to give luffy the fodder treatment. I'd think he'd be an interesting admiral.... The other guy with the dog theme going on would be an interesting choice too.

While it is true that Momonga has been seen more often than most of the Vice Admirals we know of, I can't see him ever being promoted to the Admiral level.

Theoretically speaking, Admirals are supposed to be as strong as the Shichibukai and Yonkou, as they are the centerpiece to even out the balance of the Three Great Powers. Momonga was barely seen escaping Hancock's mero technique, only by inflicting pain on himself. While he is an impressive fighter, he's just not on that Admiral level imo.

It's going to be a hard decision for Oda to make. He's established just how powerful and unique the current Admiral trio is. I don't think anything the World Government has any fighters that we know of right now that are qualified enough to take the position. My guess, either he elects Tsuru or creates an entirely new character for the job.

 

[kkck]

I don't see why the mero thing should be held against momonga. Its a technique which indiscriminately works on those who feel lust for crying out loud. It's not something you can necessarily avoid by being stronger. And why do we have any reason to believe the VA could not fight at roughly the same level as the shichibukai? They are the ones who follow the admirals in rank, is it realistic to think these guys are not THAT strong? I don't think the VA should be seen as a lesser force than the shichibukai or commanders.

 

[Ero-Sanji]

I don't see why the mero thing should be held against momonga. Its a technique which indiscriminately works on those who feel lust for crying out loud. It's not something you can necessarily avoid by being stronger. And why do we have any reason to believe the VA could not fight at roughly the same level as the shichibukai? They are the ones who follow the admirals in rank, is it realistic to think these guys are not THAT strong? I don't think the VA should be seen as a lesser force than the shichibukai or commanders.

Well, it kind of does make him less suitable as an admiral if his haki isn't strong enough to withstand the effects of the Mero Mero no Mi. However Boa has an excellent control of hers and on top of that she has the unique King's haki. So, perhaps he also lost at the battle of wills and thus only had the option to damage himself.

Reading the situation I thought Oda wanted us to show Hancocks strength and not his weakness. But still the one of the Vice-admirals who have impressed me the most is Onigumo. For reasons already pointed out in previous posts.

 

[vagabond87]

Doberman will be Admiral only if Akainu will become Fleet Admiral- two Admirals with caps is too much or maby not if Kizaru will be "central Admiral"(the one that sits between two others ;P). I hope that we will see who they chosen in next chapters..

 

[Aikidoka]

I agree with kkck and maintain that Momonga's one of the stronger VAs (Hancock's Mero Mero is basically an Eigen thing to every guy and some girls; not to say she's not strong, what with OHKO-ing a Pacifista). Even so, I think he lacks the 'untouchable' atmosphere that the current Admirals have.

I know this is unlikely, but Magellan seems to be the only WG/Marines guy that has such an atmosphere. He's had a flawless [onscreen] battle record, definitely 'untouchable' with most characters...pwned Luffy which so far I think only Aokiji has done without losing after (though granted, Luffy was tired).

I say 'unlikely' because Magellan was Impel Down staff, wouldn't make sense for him to jump all the way to Admiral rank when he wasn't even working for the Marines. Plus I assume managing a fleet is way different from managing a prison.

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

Magellan is not untouchable. It is confirmed that he was beaten and nearly killed and it is likely the doing of the Blackbeard Pirates. Sengoku said that despite the disgrace, Magellan should absolutely remain the Chief warden of Impel Down. He cannot let the prison unprotected, especially after the incident that has just occured.

 

[DEATHBOTT]

one of the 3 new vc would be cool. the dog one and the one with the mask looked badass and the one with the mustache looked pretty cool too. out of the others i like doberman and momonga. strawberry, helmet guy and cigar guy look stupid imo, tsuru to old, maybe john giant or one of the other giant vcs but im not to keen on them unless they have dfs.

 

[Aikidoka]

Magellan is not untouchable. It is confirmed that he was beaten and nearly killed and it is likely the doing of the Blackbeard Pirates. Sengoku said that despite the disgrace, Magellan should absolutely remain the Chief warden of Impel Down. He cannot let the prison unprotected, especially after the incident that has just occured.

That's why I noted his battle record was only flawless onscreen. Thanks for pointing out what Sengoku said though, I didn't catch that in my reading.

 

[LeDuck]

Magellan is a good choice, in my opinion he is still the only person that would fit the title, he was the guy that one shotted Blackbeard afterall. We haven't really seen that much from the VA's, but besides Haki they don't seem to have any kind of outstanding ability (What was their impact in the war again?).
Or let me put it this way:
Don't you want poor Hannyabal to become chief warden? :>

 

[kkck]

Well, it kind of does make him less suitable as an admiral if his haki isn't strong enough to withstand the effects of the Mero Mero no Mi. However Boa has an excellent control of hers and on top of that she has the unique King's haki. So, perhaps he also lost at the battle of wills and thus only had the option to damage himself.

Reading the situation I thought Oda wanted us to show Hancocks strength and not his weakness. But still the one of the Vice-admirals who have impressed me the most is Onigumo. For reasons already pointed out in previous posts.

What are you talking about? When has haki shown it can resist the powers of a DF? When have we been shown a shred of evidence haki can even do for someone something like that? This wasn't a battle of wills, this was a battle of a man against the most arbitrary ability in the manga. Considering momonga was not turned to stone like boa intended, it is in no way defeat on his part. Not to mention boa is not necessarily weak. During the war it was mentioned she took out pacifista lest and right. Even if they were not set to attack her, damaging pacifistas is already an accomplishment in itself given what we saw before. Boa could easily be one of the strongest characters we have seen.

 

[Fox666]

Considering momonga was not turned to stone like boa intended, it is in no way defeat on his part.

It is based on the look of fear on his face. By the way, it would be troublesome if a swordman need to pierce his hand with a knife each time Boa used that attack.

 

[kkck]

It is based on the look of fear on his face. By the way, it would be troublesome if a swordman need to pierce his hand with a knife each time Boa used that attack.

Not sure if I would call it fear lol. And what look would you expect from him, he had just stabbed his own hand... I think boa's ability is being grossly understimated (and by extention momonga). Imaging running into a hot girl and just thinking she is beautiful could kill you.... Not even something a tad extreme like "I want to undress her with my teeth or do xxx to her" but thinking something as simple as "she is hot".... Such a line of thought is borderline instictive, I am reasonably sure most men can't avoid it for their lives. And yes, it is troublesome... You'd need quite some focus to avoid it under normal circumstances.

 

[Wisshard]

Hancock has an ability which allows her to turn the lust of someone against that someone. That is a heck of an ability and would work on practically any dude with a functional pair of balls for the most part. It's not a matter of strength, momonga was not in any way forced to his knees due to a difference in skill. Hancock's ability is very convenient in that it works just the same on anyone regardless of their strength, if you feel lust then you are screwed.

The scene strongly implied that Hancock were Momonga's superior, no matter her hax ability. Besides, I can't see her doing the same to Aokiji, or any other of the highest tiers. In a way, the scene also implied that Momonga were incapable of defending himself against Hancock with Haki (as the Admirals (presumably) did to protect the platform from Whitebeard's quake, and Sentoumaru (presumably...^) did vs. Luffy).

Note, I'm not saying that Momonga is weak, indeed I think he may be a little stronger then the current Luffy (before he learns to use his Haki). But I don't think Momonga has been portrayed "strong" enough to indicate that he is ready to be promoted to Admiral (none of the VA's have, but some are left rather vague to us).

Luffy had received the adrenaline hormones and was in gear two. Hormones allow him to ignore fatigue and we all know what gear 2 does.

Luffy had not recieved Adrenaline Hormones for a while and was kicked around by Kizuro (lightspeed kick's gotta hurt, especially if Kizuro was using Haki to bypass Luffy's rubber) and stabbed by Aokiji just moments before. And he was not in Gear 2, he was Shigan'ad just as he attempted to activate it.

 

[kkck]

Why couldn't you see others going through something similar when facing hancock? Quite frankly, characters like aokiji or kizaru would seem all the more vulnerable to her ability due to their personalities..... I don't think what the admirals did to protect the island from the quake would work against hancock's ability, its two completely different things. Sentomaru also protected himself from luffy but I doubt the same kind of protection would work against hancocks ability....

The adrenaline hormones allow luffy to ignore fatigue for 24 hours as said by iva. In that sense, its effect was about as good as hours before. Luffy not even being able to activate gear two against the VA does not help his cause. IMHO any of the admirals at this point would give luffy (and his entire crew) the fodder treatment. Anything less than that and the third greatest marine asset would be seriously worthless considering what we have seen.

 

[Wisshard]

Why couldn't you see others going through something similar when facing hancock? Quite frankly, characters like aokiji or kizaru would seem all the more vulnerable to her ability due to their personalities..... I don't think what the admirals did to protect the island from the quake would work against hancock's ability, its two completely different things. Sentomaru also protected himself from luffy but I doubt the same kind of protection would work against hancocks ability....

The Admirals negated an attack made by a Devil Fruit power (and Sentomaru negated Luffy's rubber defense and Gomu attack) with (what I assume was) Haki. Following that line of thought, Hancock's Mero Mero Mellow technique should be no different since it is, essentially, a Devil Fruit attack. That is, however, only speculation.

Even if I'm wrong, and you can't use Haki to defend against Hancock's Mero Mero techniques, I'd think that the Admirals have sufficient self-control to avoid being turned into stone without resorting to stab themselves (whereas Momonga required present pain to focus upon to escape the love technique (hence the self inflicted wound)).

The adrenaline hormones allow luffy to ignore fatigue for 24 hours as said by iva. In that sense, its effect was about as good as hours before.

I was under the impression that the adrenaline hormones supplied you with a burst of adrenaline (hence relieved you of tension from any pain and fatigue (as adrenaline does)). So as the adrenaline gradually runs out, Luffy would gradually begin to feel all the fatigue and pain he had stockpiled (and the adrenaline were obviously running out by the time he got the "fodder treatment" by Momonga and the unnamed VA).
And the 24 hours thing was the after effect that Iva-chan warned Luffy about, that it'd be a price to pay later for the extra energy.

Luffy not even being able to activate gear two against the VA does not help his cause. IMHO any of the admirals at this point would give luffy (and his entire crew) the fodder treatment. Anything less than that and the third greatest marine asset would be seriously worthless considering what we have seen.

Any of the three Admirals would indeed have little to no trouble with the entire Straw Hat crew, as they can't even harm them so I assume you meant the VA's. And though I certainly agree that there should be a few among them (barring Garp) strong enough for that, I don't think it's implied that Momonga would be one of them...
If every single one of the VA's is strong enough to solo the Straw Hats without a scratch to tell the tale, it'd make the Shichibukai (at least Crocodile (who fought skirmishes with Doflamingo and Mihawk) and Moria (though the Gorousei seemingly agrees with that thought ^) absolutly redundant.