One Piece Ranking System...

[scyter]

No it was two times, first was whiskey peak and second the time when they all lost their memories

 

[zelllogan]

No it was two times, first was whiskey peak and second the time when they all lost their memories

They never lost their memories in the manga.


About sanji & zoro, I won't hide that my fav strawhat is sanji. But in terms of strenght, they are almost equal to me.

The best way to verify that is their CP9 opponents.
Jyabura :
2180 dourikis
is a zoan and is experienced with it
utterly lost to sanji. Sanji had a rather easy win

Kaku:
2200 dourikis
is a zoan and no experience with it
lost in a difficult fight with zoro

Given this, it is difficult to think that zoro is that much stronger than sanji.

 

[scyter]

They never lost their memories in the manga.


About sanji & zoro, I won't hide that my fav strawhat is sanji. But in terms of strenght, they are almost equal to me.

The best way to verify that is their CP9 opponents.
Jyabura :
2180 dourikis
is a zoan and is experienced with it
utterly lost to sanji. Sanji had a rather easy win

Kaku:
2200 dourikis
is a zoan and no experience with it
lost in a difficult fight with zoro

Given this, it is difficult to think that zoro is that much stronger than sanji.

Yes it was a filler but it's a same thing anime=manga. It's the same

 

[zelllogan]

hmmmmmm ... no comment

 

[St Michael]

No it's not.

At the Jyabura - Sanji match, I won't say the last defeated easily the first.

Sanji has been severly injured before he OS'ed Jyabura. (two shot'ed actually )

 

[BlackSword]

How about we not Count filler Episodes? Especially seeing as Luffy defeated a pirate that was said to be able to go toe to toe with roger in movie 10... Or the fact that Luffy had to use Gear Second on some random trash in Movie 9... Movies & Filler Episodes are excluded from the ranking/judging as are all characters who appear in said formats... Fights between Zoro & Luffy = 1 Whiskey Peaks...

 

[MonsterEnvy]

Than you should assume, that he ranked them for their current strength, as Whitebeard was still the strongest man alive in before his death, while Rogers crew was the best in before they disbanded. Why should he rank them in their prime, if we talk about the current timeline?

We can discuss Crocodile for ever, but the only reason he lost to Luffy in Alabasta was due to the use of water, his greatest and probably single weakness. Aside from that he has never shown to be on the losing side.[Luffy used water in the WB war again}

Croc also lost because he did not use his powers for some reason and felt like beating luffy the old fasion way if he had used his powers luffy would have been crushed

Croc would beat Jinbei and mihawk in a fight by sucking all th water out of them Jinbei throws a wave at croc and croc sucks the wave up then drains the all the water from the area no more weakness for croc

 

[beastboy]

Crocodile Lost because of Plot!
I mean, he could have done to Luffy what he did to Akainu, and there wouldn't be luck enough to save him!
Just see how easily he won the first and the second fight...
If he repeated moves he would have won...
I mean, if he did Sables in the ruins everyone there would be screwed!

 

[Lord Rayleigh]

He meant that Smoker has advantage over Luffy. Much like Luffy vs Enel.

We know he did and his argument is still completely wrong. We won't outrank any logia Devil Fruit users because their fruit are powerful and give them a major power up.

Besides Smoker does not have dangerous logia attacks and he has always beaten Luffy with his own physical abilities. The Admirals's attacks are much more devil fruit related and yet no-one misjudge them. If Smoker was not that strong, he wouldn't be able to beat Luffy who would escape all of his attempts to beat him. He must not forget that being intangible does not make people strong but protect them.

 

[Roarchu]

what a heck? Tashigi in the same class as Bon-chan (who was able to pound a few to the Minotaurus) and only 1 class below Daz ??!!!

hmmm...during Arabasta:

Bon-chan ~ Sanji ~ Zoro >> Tashigi

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can we put Don Krieg somewhere? he's one of my favs....

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I might consider making a 7.75 for Enel...it'd be hard to beat the people ranked above him. But for sheer military strength he's on a rank of his own with his fruit power, his electromagnetically amplified mantra and the magnitude of power he can put into such long range (and unexpected) attacks..

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also, can we make a

Jimbei (land) vs Jimbei (sea) ??? I think that'd be more accurate

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and we're being conservative with ppl like Dofla and Mihawk right? since we've never really seen their strenght?

 

[Jorge D. Dragon]

Guys... about "Monster Trio"... they are deffinetly on different levels. Zoro is slightly better than Sanji (pre time-skip), but Luffy is two times stronger in terms of Doriki (destructive power in Rokushiki system, cause his opponent was two times stronger) and his speed is in the other league compared to their. Also Luffy got even bigger powerups during next arcs, especially in Impel down. so I can't understand why people try to say that they are practically equal, when they deffinetly are not.

 

[MonsterEnvy]

How about we not Count filler Episodes? Especially seeing as Luffy defeated a pirate that was said to be able to go toe to toe with roger in movie 10... Or the fact that Luffy had to use Gear Second on some random trash in Movie 9... Movies & Filler Episodes are excluded from the ranking/judging as are all characters who appear in said formats... Fights between Zoro & Luffy = 1 Whiskey Peaks...

Shiki the golden lion is a canon character Luffy beat him only do to shiki's lack of knowalage about rubber he could have beaten luffy anytime he wanted at the end of there fight and he beat the whole stawhat crew easily before

but thought that the lightning was going to fininsh him then he remembered that rubber does not conduct electristy and got beat

if Shiki had not forgotten that fact he would have won

hey why don't you add shiki to that list i would put him near the top

 

[beastboy]

Just one thing, you can't measure monster trio by their oponents... Luffy couldn't stand after the fight, while the other 2 were able to fight 200 marine captains (together with the other crew members)!

 

[Fox666]

Okay, only 1 Ace again...
Luffy vs Zoro vs Sanji: I have to agree with St Michael on this one. Kaku was far weaker (according to Cp9s own admission) than Lucci... If we were judging the monster trio in Doriko i think it would be something like...
Luffy: 3400
Zoro: 2500
Sanji: 2300
But this is completely speculation...

This is quite interesting. However, first of all, we need to determine what would be the Douriki of the Zoan forms.

Normally, they are:
Lucci: 4,000
Jyabura: 2,180
Kaku: 2,200

I would put the Zoan forms as:
Lucci: 5,000
Jyabura: 2,500
Kaku: 2,500

So, for that, I would make the Monster Trio:
Zoro: 2,700
Sanji: 2,700
Luffy: 2,800
Luffy Gear 2: 4,800

 

[Wisshard]

Than you should assume, that he ranked them for their current strength

I assumed he ranked them in their prime, because he placed them as the current strongest living men. Considering the current Admirals would be rather disappointing if they can't even match up to the old school Admirals when they're old men, and they themselves are in their prime.

We can discuss Crocodile for ever, but the only reason he lost to Luffy in Alabasta was due to the use of water, his greatest and probably single weakness. Aside from that he has never shown to be on the losing side.[Luffy used water in the WB war again}

Indeed, I agree; Crocodile would've defeated Luffy if he wasn't blinded by pride and arrogance.

However, by feats, Crocodile's reaction and attack speed is about on par with Arabasta Luffy, who was able to hit Crocodile (with water) and dodge Crocodile's attacks (sand as well as hook). Thus, considering Luffy's vast growth, we can reasonably assume that G2 Luffy would have had little trouble evading Crocodile's attacks and landing attacks (with liquid) on Crocodile. We can also infer that people who kept up with or surpassed G2 Luffy's speed would be able to evade and hit Crocodile with ease. Which, going purely by manga feats, should put Jinbei, Ivankov, Vista (very likely Sentoumaru and Shiliew as well) above him, and Lucci, Smoker, Luffy at least on par with him in an overall combat prowess ranking.

You may argue that Crocodile is a logia, but he has a weakness that is easy to exploit, given that you can deal with his attack speed until you figure it out, and besides, it's very likely that Jinbei and Ivankov possess CoA (like Vista does). Thus, we can reasonably conclude that he would loose to those I listed above, since their speed far exceed his; he would have trouble reacting to them, while they would be able to evade his attacks with little trouble.

That being said, I do like Crocodile. Hell, he is my favorite character, what with his fearless demeanor, ruthless arrogance and sinister attitude, and I hope that he improves during the time skip.

No it was two times, first was whiskey peak and second the time when they all lost their memories

The second time was filler.

 

[St Michael]

You analysed Alabasta's Crocodile speed.

During MF , Croc looks a lot quicker. I.E , when he prevented Mihawk from getting Luffy. (actually from killing Daz)

Don't forget that he blew Doflamingo away. Dofla looks pretty quick (he evaded easily Oars attack) , and he still got blown away.

I believe that Crocodile isn't especially slow. Luffy dodged his attacks during Alabasta thanks to plot armor (speed ? )

I started to watch the anime again lately , and during the scene when he tried to attack WB with his hook , Luffy prevented the attack and then tried to hit him (in the face or whatever) , which Croc evaded. I can't remember if he did in the manga as well.

 

[Wisshard]

You analysed Alabasta's Crocodile speed.

During MF , Croc looks a lot quicker. I.E , when he prevented Mihawk from getting Luffy. (actually from killing Daz)

Don't forget that he blew Doflamingo away. Dofla looks pretty quick (he evaded easily Oars attack) , and he still got blown away.

I believe that Crocodile isn't especially slow. Luffy dodged his attacks during Alabasta thanks to plot armor (speed ? )

It's of course up to personal preference, but rather than chalking it up to plot armor, I prefer explanations that are in keeping with the manga. And in this case, there are three possible ways (that I can think of on the top of my head) to explain Crocodile's performance against Mihawk and Doflamingo at Marinford;

• Doflamingo and Mihawk wasn't fighting Crocodile seriously. I find this the most likely explanation, and in Doflamingo's case, this is supported by his attempts to recruit Crocodile.
• Crocodile improved massively (outclassing even Luffy's growth since Arabasta (including G2)) in reaction and attack speed during his time in Impel Down. But I find that rather unlikely, considering Crocodile wasn't really allowed by the circumstances to exercise, since he was chained to a wall and very likely tortured regularly during his stay in Impel Down.
• Mihawk and Doflamingo doesn't possess CoA. Which I also find highly unlikely, considering Mihawk is the strongest swordsman in the world and Doflamingo seems to be set up as a major antagonist for Luffy in the New World.

I can't remember if he did in the manga as well.

He didn't [1].

 

[MonsterEnvy]

It's of course up to personal preference, but rather than chalking it up to plot armor, I prefer explanations that are in keeping with the manga. And in this case, there are three possible ways (that I can think of on the top of my head) to explain Crocodile's performance against Mihawk and Doflamingo at Marinford;

• Doflamingo and Mihawk wasn't fighting Crocodile seriously. I find this the most likely explanation, and in Doflamingo's case, this is supported by his attempts to recruit Crocodile.
• Crocodile improved massively (outclassing even Luffy's growth since Arabasta (including G2)) in reaction and attack speed during his time in Impel Down. But I find that rather unlikely, considering Crocodile wasn't really allowed by the circumstances to exercise, since he was chained to a wall and very likely tortured regularly during his stay in Impel Down.
• Mihawk and Doflamingo doesn't possess CoA. Which I also find highly unlikely, considering Mihawk is the strongest swordsman in the world and Doflamingo seems to be set up as a major antagonist for Luffy in the New World.

He didn't [1].

you just don't want accsept that Croc is on Mihawk and Doflamings level and Always has been

I doubt Doflamingo has COA or else when Crocs head came off it really would have Doflamingo is already Broken enough as it is

Mihawk does not need to have haki to be Strong he could have gotten there through pure skill

 

[beastboy]

Dofla was totally trolling that war, pissing everyone just for the lulz...
He didn't want to kill Crocodile, he just wanted to have fun, xD!

Mihawk just sliced him so he could get to Luffy, using COA would only stop him even more, since he would encounter a physical body instead of a little bit of sand!

But I do think Crocodile knows Haki... He just didn't find it necessary to fight any of the people he fought till now.

He hasn't good reaction skills nor speed because he doesn't needs it, he can pwn about everybody without that...
He did get owned because of that when Jozz attacked him, but a little bit of help was enough to send jozz flying.

But that doesn't really matters, next time we see him he will be even more bad ass, and dodging Gear 2 Speed like if it was a turtle!

 

[bittman]

you just don't want accsept that Croc is on Mihawk and Doflamings level and Always has been

I doubt Doflamingo has COA or else when Crocs head came off it really would have Doflamingo is already Broken enough as it is

Mihawk does not need to have haki to be Strong he could have gotten there through pure skill

And yet Crocodile fanboys are completely devoid of bias? All I'm able to read here is that Luffy should be able to defeat Mihawk and Doflamingo because they are on Crocs level and Luffy beat Croc?

Everything that gets quoted for "Crocodiles great power" is basically a sword clash. From what I understand here, Crocodile must be on about 5 levels at once since:

• Clashed "equally" with Doflamingo
• Clashed "equally" with Mihawk
• Clashed "equally" with Akainu
• Clashed "equally" with Luffy
• Got owned by Jozu

So Jozu > Croc, thus Jozu = level 9?

Let's look at each of these "equal clashes" though.

• Doflamingo wasn't trying to kill Croc. In fact, he was trying to recruit Croc. Since we haven't seen Doflamingo fight seriously against anything and it's clear he wasn't trying to damage Croc, they cannot be viewed as equal. Combine this with the fact that Doflamingo suffered no damage from the sandstorm and was able to block the hook with a foot like it was nothing, they cannot possibly be viewed on the same level, even if Doflamingo had no haki or didn't know about the water weakness.
• Mihawk...well I know I can often overrate the "World's strongest swordsman", but if Croc is equal because he blocked one sword slash, then Mihawk is just a large disappointment. Plus, if Mihawk had shown any real semblence of trying in the entire war Crocodiles metallic hook would be cut into pieces. And I'm saying nothing about haki here, because at the end of the day even if Croc goes around not getting damaged, it doesn't mean he automatically wins. As shocking as this is, logias do have to attack, and no attack Crocodile has would touch Mihawk.
• Haha, equal to Akainu. No argument required here, Crocodile is equal to Akainu the same way Mr 3 is equal to Magellan.
• We know Luffy is above Crocodile. Give me the luck argument all you want, it was 400 chapters ago. Any character Luffy had a difficult battle with since then should be able to evade and counter Croc with ease.
• Jozu makes the case really. Levels are not just about who beat who, but where they generally fit in comparison to EVERYONE else.

But whatever, I can see this debate could go on for some time and if there can be no clear victor it won't be updated on the ladder. Too many people are blinded by haki being the only counter to logias like hitting through intangibility is the entire battle. I spent half the war reminding people that even a haki'ed up Luffy in the war would still be melted, frozen or dodged attempting to take an admiral head on.