Special Move PoT and SPoT Technique Tier List

[Kaoz]

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After U-17 Camp training why rule it out? Akutsu could hit 2 prior to the camp then with the camp's training he learned to hit 5,
whats your reason for ruling out Fuji being able to?

He hasn't shown it. Until he does, I won't assume that he can.

As I said before, Kintarou returned a bunch of "balls" during the nationals, but he couldn't hit 5 at once right away. Fuji returning those 3 balls is clearly different than what Kazuya and Oni do, simply because when they hit multiple ones, they are actually spaced out whereas the ones Fuji returned were much closer together.
The only thing in the original that was close/similiar to the X at once shots was Yukimura returning Samurai Drive.

Sure, maybe Fuji can hit multiple shots at once by now, but maybe he can't. I don't see a reason to assume the former though.

 

[mystictapion]

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Fuji, I think you forgot to put Niou with Tezuka Zone.

 

[Fuji Shusuke]

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Fuji, I think you forgot to put Niou with Tezuka Zone.

Oops, thanks for that.

 

[mystictapion]

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Rai also wouldn't work. Even if you are able to teleport, if you can't "see" the ball in the first place, how will you return it? I'm saying that KnS or AK causes the ball to become "invisible" to you. That is why they are called "blind" spots. Those certain points on the court which you cannot see, Atobe aims at them, which is KnS. In addition, if your body cannot conform to the shot, how will your legs and arms move to the correct position to return the shot? That is AK. If Sanada does not know the location of the ball and his body cannot conform to the shot, he can't return it. He will stand still on the court paralysed. So it's not about speed. Being able to react fast enough is different from not being able to react at all.

Sanada will just catch the ball if he notices in time where the ball is going to (certainly the reaction time is slower because it is hitting a Zettai Shikaku). Rai isn't a teleportation, but a Shunpou or Soru in high speed. So, I still didn't understand why AK is below Rai...

 

[Ninomiya]

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Sanada will just catch the ball if he notices in time where the ball is going to (certainly the reaction time is slower because it is hitting a Zettai Shikaku). Rai isn't a teleportation, but a Shunpou or Soru in high speed. So, I still didn't understand why AK is below Rai...

Rai is practically teleportation. Its just as efficient. Rai can return shots with Tezuka Zone level spin with ease. That is enough to be amongst THE best shots of the series.
It was arguably THE best shot of Part I. And I mean Shot, not serve or anything.

 

[Fuji Shusuke]

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Right Saver added.

 

[Ninomiya]

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Right Saver added.

Its such an amazing technique for someone who is effectively an anime-only character lol.

 

[LetalHawk]

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Its such an amazing technique for someone who is effectively an anime-only character lol.

Instead, if you apply a counterspin on the ball, then you can break Migihashi's Right Saver. If it's like Tezuka Zone, I can think of many ways of hitting the ball to the left, so it's not that hard to break.

 

[Ninomiya]

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Instead, if you apply a counterspin on the ball, then you can break Migihashi's Right Saver. If it's like Tezuka Zone, I can think of many ways of hitting the ball to the left, so it's not that hard to break.

Ryoma couldnt til their were 9 balls. And only one got through.
None of them are easy methods. Most characters cant perform those methods. Therefore it is that hard to break.

 

[LetalHawk]

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Ryoma couldnt til their were 9 balls. And only one got through.
None of them are easy methods. Most characters cant perform those methods. Therefore it is that hard to break.

I'm saying that Ryoma could have break through it if he wanted to. He only shot to the right because he wanted to humiliate Migihashi, but if it was a real match, then Ryoma would have break Right Saver, since he perfectly know how to break TZone.

Moreover, not only Ryoma, but top players like Yukimura and Sanada would have defeated Migihashi.

But Right Saver is an amazing technique like TZone, so it's hard to break, but top players should be able to deal with it perfectly.

 

[Ninomiya]

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I'm saying that Ryoma could have break through it if he wanted to. He only shot to the right because he wanted to humiliate Migihashi, but if it was a real match, then Ryoma would have break Right Saver, since he perfectly know how to break TZone.

Moreover, not only Ryoma, but top players like Yukimura and Sanada would have defeated Migihashi.

But Right Saver is an amazing technique like TZone, so it's hard to break, but top players should be able to deal with it perfectly.

Ryoma can perfectly break Tezuka Zone? I didnt see that. Remember Anime-fillers dont count.
He didnt humiliate Migihashi. Only one got through. At that moment unfortunately the anime may have screwed up by making Migihashi awesome.

Why could Ryoma have broken it if he wanted to? He couldnt. Not til the end could he break it.
You say only shot to the right?? He had no choice. The technique forced it to the right. He only broke it at the end.

 

[LetalHawk]

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Ryoma can perfectly break Tezuka Zone? I didnt see that. Remember Anime-fillers dont count.
He didnt humiliate Migihashi. Only one got through. At that moment unfortunately the anime may have screwed up by making Migihashi awesome.

Why could Ryoma have broken it if he wanted to? He couldnt. Not til the end could he break it.
You say only shot to the right?? He had no choice. The technique forced it to the right. He only broke it at the end.

He has saw it countless times in manga and anime also, so he knows how to defeat it.

And I'm not saying he humiliated him. Echizen could have defeated him if it was an entire set. Migihashi can't pass Echizen as we saw, Ryoma has mounstrously improved and has surpassed players like Migihashi, and reached Tokugawa's level.

 

[Fuji Shusuke]

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Tezuka Zone is very complicated. Since there is a different spin every time is is so hard to identify the spin and counter it. However with Right Saver, the spin is always the same: counter-clockwise sidespin, so Echizen could break it by hitting a backhand Drive C.

 

[Ninomiya]

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He has saw it countless times in manga and anime also, so he knows how to defeat it.

And I'm not saying he humiliated him. Echizen could have defeated him if it was an entire set. Migihashi can't pass Echizen as we saw, Ryoma has mounstrously improved and has surpassed players like Migihashi, and reached Tokugawa's level.

This is just what I already said. I said it would be close if it was an entire set.
Also, just coz Ryoma has seen how doesnt mean he can easily do it. Inui has all the data on Tezuka Zone and his seen it longer than Ryoma. Your saying he can defeat coz of that? No.
As amazing as Ryoma is, it wont be easy for him to break Tezuka Zone since Tezuka is awesome-ness. Remember anime-fillers DONT count.

Point is, Ryoma would have likely lost that first game had it stayed with one ball. Migihashi seemed like he was all about testing Ryoma from the start. The way he said at the start ''Its the rule to accept challenges from Black Jersey Brigaders''. Migihashi didnt seem like he was trying to get a point with every shot he took. He was just showing off his Right Saver technique. Im saying Ryoma would win a fairly close match.

Ryoma has mounstrously improved and has surpassed players like Migihashi, and reached Tokugawa's level.

Weve seen Tokugawa go all out have we? We dont know this yet either.

 

[LetalHawk]

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We don't know, but at least he returned that serve and was keeping up with him easily, before going to the mountains, Tokugawa crushed him, but now Ryoma has been able to rally with him comfortably, so he improved a great deal considering that. I'm saying at least he can hold his own against him.

Still, I think he has yet to get serious and has to show a technique that makes him above Ryoma. Probably, we should see him going all out against Byodouin, and finally defeat him and becoming the new No.1

And about Migihashi, he wasn't holding back at all. When he saw Echizen hit 10 balls, he couldn't believe it, that's why a ball got past him. Echizen would defeat him, I agree that in a close match, but Migihashi isn't able to hit 10 balls, so Echizen surpassed him. You can't deny that.

 

[Ninomiya]

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And about Migihashi, he wasn't holding back at all. When he saw Echizen hit 10 balls, he couldn't believe it, that's why a ball got past him. Echizen would defeat him, I agree that in a close match, but Migihashi isn't able to hit 10 balls, so Echizen surpassed him. You can't deny that.

Your right about Echizen surpassing him and being better. I agree also. Ryoma currently is without doubt stronger than Migihashi.

 

[LetalHawk]

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Your right about Echizen surpassing him and being better. I agree also. Ryoma currently is without doubt stronger than Migihashi.

What's strange is Oishi. Oishi defeating a 2nd court player? Oishi? Well then, he now should be able to defeat Kikumaru since his stats were poor at the start and now his abilities should have increased far more than I was expecting.

 

[Ninomiya]

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What's strange is Oishi. Oishi defeating a 2nd court player? Oishi? Well then, he now should be able to defeat Kikumaru since his stats were poor at the start and now his abilities should have increased far more than I was expecting.

Well, friends and I immediately theorized that 2nd Court must have had 2 Doubles Specialists or Doubles-but-weak-at-Singles players like 3rd Court has Washio and Suzuki.
It could have been that the 2nd Court Doubles players played separately to take on Oishi and Shishido. I mean, Washio and Suzuki separately we can assume are Shishido level.
Or Oishi was playing doubles with someone and Shishido was playing Doubles with someone when we saw them in action.
Coz your quite right to be confused when Oishi's Singles skill level is fairly... Shit.

And dont be silly about Oishi defeating Kikumaru lol. The anime changed things. Kikumaru >> Oishi. Remember Kikumaru can use Seal Step to make a clone, and his stamina is above Oishi's. Kikumaru handed Oishi 2 points in the manga. IGNORE the anime match. Kikumaru WILL kick Oishi's ass. In the anime Kikumaru didnt even get serious or use his Beam or Bazooka.
Konomi doesnt run the anime. For stats and stuff the Manga is the one to reference. More so for Part II than Part I.

 

[Fuji Shusuke]

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I put Ochi's Eye in. It's called Mental Assassination (for now).

 

[Fuji Shusuke]

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Duke Homerun added.