Character Question regarding Sanada...

[Phantron]

Explain Black Aura then.



Strength has nothing to do with returning Rai. Which is why that big moron Sasabe from the first chapters got a hole in his racquet, despite being physically strong. You can have the power of Oni and still not return Rai. Yukimura shows us that extremely high technique is the only way to return it.

Black Aura came way after the initial existence of Muga so I'm not sure why it's even relevent. Obviously there is nothing remotely like Black Aura in the original POT which is the timeframe this statement was stated.

It's pretty clear in NPOT the middle schoolers got lowered some in power level (e.g. Ryoma magically forgot any of the 3 doors he already opened) to illustrate the fact that high schoolers are supposed to be stronger. Tezuka whiffed on Rai so is Sasabe supposed to have better hand-eye coordination than Tezuka too? Rai loses the 'impossible to return by speed' element in NPOT which makes it no different than a normal 'power' type attack. Power attacks can ALWAYS be returned if the recipient possess at least as much strength as the shot creator, but there's no doubt Sanada's strength is pretty much at the top of middle schoolers. Just because he doesn't have a habit of hitting the ball in someone's face and cause grevious harm doesn't mean he's physically weaker. Sanada said there's no way Tezuka can return Rai with such a skinny arm of his. If strength is no use against Rai, why would Tezuka's arm strength even matter?

 

[Ninomiya]

It's pretty clear in NPOT the middle schoolers got lowered some in power level (e.g. Ryoma magically forgot any of the 3 doors he already opened) to illustrate the fact that high schoolers are supposed to be stronger. Tezuka whiffed on Rai so is Sasabe supposed to have better hand-eye coordination than Tezuka too? Rai loses the 'impossible to return by speed' element in NPOT which makes it no different than a normal 'power' type attack.

Tezuka made Rai come to him. Rai blew his racket away.
Tezuka could have ran to Rai, but why run to it if you have Tezuka Zone?

Sanada purposely lets his opponents get to Rai I believe to put despair into them. Since Tennis is a lot about Mental Strength too.

And Ryoma didn't forget the two doors!
We haven't seen him in a match. We just saw him lose to Tokugawa. We never saw the match.
However we know he cannot use TMnK on demand. That is all.

Power attacks can ALWAYS be returned if the recipient possess at least as much strength as the shot creator, but there's no doubt Sanada's strength is pretty much at the top of middle schoolers. Just because he doesn't have a habit of hitting the ball in someone's face and cause grevious harm doesn't mean he's physically weaker. Sanada said there's no way Tezuka can return Rai with such a skinny arm of his. If strength is no use against Rai, why would Tezuka's arm strength even matter?

We don't know if he is the strongest yet. Tooyama Kintaro, Kawamura Takashi and Ishida Gin are all contenders for this.
We honestly don't know.
We only know as an All-Rounder, it is cited Sanada physically has the perfect attributes.

 

[Fayte]

Sanada said there's no way Tezuka can return Rai with such a skinny arm of his. If strength is no use against Rai, why would Tezuka's arm strength even matter?

What on EARTH are you even talking about? Not only are you flat out making up the skinny arm thing, HnK makes Tezuka and Ryoma able to return ANY power shot, regardless of how "skinny" they are. Why the hell do you think Tezuka was rallying with Kabaji for so long despite the obvious difference in body size and power? HnK makes power irrelevant (unless of course it is against another person using HnK).

HnK is unable to return Rai for one reason alone. Rai breaks the racquet gut 100% of the time, making it impossible to return using the strings. Rai also has an electrifying paralysis effect, making it impossible to return using the frame. You have to use the butt of the racquet only, which is nearly impossible for anyone who isn't Yukimura. Again, returning Rai has NOTHING to do with power. Yukimura has the SAME BODY FRAME as Tezuka.

 

[Fuji Shusuke]

Sanada said there's no way Tezuka can return Rai with such a skinny arm of his. If strength is no use against Rai, why would Tezuka's arm strength even matter?

WTF are you on about? The skinny arm thing was with Fuji and Ishida Tetsu's Hadoukyu.
http://www.mangareader.net/422-26925-10/prince-of-tennis/chapter-28.html

 

[Phantron]

I did some checking around and the English and Chinese translation are not even remotely the same. This is the page I'm talking about:

http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/PrinceofTennis349/172039/

In the Chinese version Sanada says: "You have no hope of returning my shot with such a skinny arm of yours."

I guess it's pointless to argue at this point since without seeing the original Japanese stuff it'd be completely impossible to tell which translation is correct.

From my experience, though, English translation tends to be significantly off from the original not necessarily because the guys doing the translation is bad, but that it takes way more letters/words to express the same concept and usually the translator don't want to make it look like the characters are talking in paragraphs or make stuff way smaller in font. The particular phrase in English was 8 words, while the simlified translation from the Chinese is 15 and it's not as expressive as what Sanada actually said.

The more verbose translation of what Sanada said (according to the Chinese version) would be:

"No matter how much you try with such skinny arms of yours, never in your life would you be able to return my shot."

And that'd definitely be way too long to fit in the word bubble in a reasonable font. Sanada is a relatively verbose character. His dialogue in the Chinese version filled up the entire bubble. Assuming the Chinese translation is correct, there is no way the English translation can possibly even fit in the same word bubble using the same sized font because it takes far less space (in same font) to express something in Chinese or Japanese compared to English.

 

[Fayte]

I did some checking around and the English and Chinese translation are not even remotely the same. This is the page I'm talking about:

http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/PrinceofTennis349/172039/

In the Chinese version Sanada says: "You have no hope of returning my shot with such a skinny arm of yours."

I guess it's pointless to argue at this point since without seeing the original Japanese stuff it'd be completely impossible to tell which translation is correct.

From my experience, though, English translation tends to be significantly off from the original not necessarily because the guys doing the translation is bad, but that it takes way more letters/words to express the same concept and usually the translator don't want to make it look like the characters are talking in paragraphs or make stuff way smaller in font. The particular phrase in English was 8 words, while the simlified translation from the Chinese is 15 and it's not as expressive as what Sanada actually said.

The more verbose translation of what Sanada said (according to the Chinese version) would be:

"No matter how much you try with such skinny arms of yours, never in your life would you be able to return my shot."

And that'd definitely be way too long to fit in the word bubble in a reasonable font. Sanada is a relatively verbose character. His dialogue in the Chinese version filled up the entire bubble. Assuming the Chinese translation is correct, there is no way the English translation can possibly even fit in the same word bubble using the same sized font because it takes far less space (in same font) to express something in Chinese or Japanese compared to English.

The Chinese is not the original either. I don't see how (Sai can correct me) the skinny arm thing would be anywhere in the text. Like I've mentioned before, Tezuka's arms are identical to Yukimura's, yet Tezuka could not return Rai and Yukimura could. That says nothing about Yukimura's power, it says a lot about his technique.

 

[Phantron]

The Chinese is not the original either. I don't see how (Sai can correct me) the skinny arm thing would be anywhere in the text. Like I've mentioned before, Tezuka's arms are identical to Yukimura's, yet Tezuka could not return Rai and Yukimura could. That says nothing about Yukimura's power, it says a lot about his technique.

Prince of Tennis vocabulary isn't exactly difficult to translate. It's hard to imagine either the English or the Chinese translation simply fail to include certain words due to the lack of ability on the translator's part.

But the expressiveness of the language relative to the area available is very different between Japanese/Chinese to English. Japanese is probably the most compact. For example the ability to have two separate reading for any particular move is easily done in Japanese, but it cannot be done in Chinese nor English. English definitely uses the most area to say the same thing compared to the other two languages, so if Chinese translation fills the word bubble there's no way the English translation can even say the same thing without using a smaller font. I've seen plenty of original Japanese text that I know would be too wordy to translate to English given the available spacing simplified to fit the available room. I don't blame translators for doing that, and most of the time it doesn't matter anyway, but in this case a rather important detail was missing.

At any rate Yukimura's ability to return Rai occured in NPOT, where clearly all the middle schoolers got some kind of downward adjustment to allow for future growth. Even ignoring plot reasons, you can simply say since Yukimura knew about the Rai technique he could've just been thinking about how to deal with it, while Tezuka only saw it the first time and didn't have time to think of a clever way to neutralize it. Otherwise, is it really plausible that Tezuka, who has a technique of 5 in NPOT and is certain the master of things that do not even seen humanely possible, somehow cannot flip his racket around and use the handle to hit a ball? Pretty much every technique he does is way more complicated than Yukimura's return. Heck, I can probably take a racket and attempt to hit a ball back with the handle in real life. It wouldn't be a good return but I'm pretty confident I can at least hit the ball. I sure can't come anywhere close to doing the Tezuka Zone or anything else Tezuka have done before.

 

[Ninomiya]

Otherwise, is it really plausible that Tezuka, who has a technique of 5 in NPOT and is certain the master of things that do not even seen humanely possible, somehow cannot flip his racket around and use the handle to hit a ball? Pretty much every technique he does is way more complicated than Yukimura's return. Heck, I can probably take a racket and attempt to hit a ball back with the handle in real life. It wouldn't be a good return but I'm pretty confident I can at least hit the ball. I sure can't come anywhere close to doing the Tezuka Zone or anything else Tezuka have done before.

You bringing real life into to PoT logic. Which never works well.
But to your argument, Yukimura removes people's sight and hearing. You think a tennis shot is far more complicated?

Yukimura's technique stat is likely above 5. Considering FuuRinKaInZanRai has no effect on him while it effected Tezuka.

Returning Rai is down to technique even more than Power.

 

[ashore]

Tezuka made Rai come to him. Rai blew his racket away.
Tezuka could have ran to Rai, but why run to it if you have Tezuka Zone?

in the anime and manga.. it was shown / hinted that tezuka couldnt hit rai with normal means.

this was to show that the shot was as fast as lightning. tezuka had to use tezuka zone to draw the ball to him.

we would just see tezuka get close, and lightning all over him, presuming that lightning was the course of the ball, and was moving so fast , there's no way tezuka at that time could even hope to return it.
so he told sanada, its a shot he cant return.. blah etc
is how i interpreted it

here: mods remove the links if they aren't allowed
http://www.mangapanda.com/422-27245-5/prince-of-tennis/chapter-348.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/422-27245-6/prince-of-tennis/chapter-348.html

game sanada 1-0, 2-0. You'd think tezuka would have tried to Return RAI and not lose points. point is it seemed like he couldnt even hit it back. thus he resorted to alternate means later. and when he did... his racket gut got torn.
also do u want a lightning speed ball (with lightning element) coming toward straight to u?

 

[Ninomiya]

in the anime and manga.. it was shown / hinted that tezuka couldnt hit rai with normal means.

this was to show that the shot was as fast as lightning. tezuka had to use tezuka zone to draw the ball to him.

we would just see tezuka get close, and lightning all over him, presuming that lightning was the course of the ball, and was moving so fast , there's no way tezuka at that time could even hope to return it.
so he told sanada, its a shot he cant return.. blah etc
is how i interpreted it

here: mods remove the links if they aren't allowed
http://www.mangapanda.com/422-27245-5/prince-of-tennis/chapter-348.html
http://www.mangapanda.com/422-27245-6/prince-of-tennis/chapter-348.html

game sanada 1-0, 2-0. You'd think tezuka would have tried to Return RAI and not lose points. point is it seemed like he couldnt even hit it back. thus he resorted to alternate means later. and when he did... his racket gut got torn.
also do u want a lightning speed ball (with lightning element) coming toward straight to u?

I see what you mean lol.

 

[FuRinKaZan]

I did some checking around and the English and Chinese translation are not even remotely the same. This is the page I'm talking about:

http://www.tenmanga.com/chapter/PrinceofTennis349/172039/

In the Chinese version Sanada says: "You have no hope of returning my shot with such a skinny arm of yours."

I guess it's pointless to argue at this point since without seeing the original Japanese stuff it'd be completely impossible to tell which translation is correct.

From my experience, though, English translation tends to be significantly off from the original not necessarily because the guys doing the translation is bad, but that it takes way more letters/words to express the same concept and usually the translator don't want to make it look like the characters are talking in paragraphs or make stuff way smaller in font. The particular phrase in English was 8 words, while the simlified translation from the Chinese is 15 and it's not as expressive as what Sanada actually said.

The more verbose translation of what Sanada said (according to the Chinese version) would be:

"No matter how much you try with such skinny arms of yours, never in your life would you be able to return my shot."

And that'd definitely be way too long to fit in the word bubble in a reasonable font. Sanada is a relatively verbose character. His dialogue in the Chinese version filled up the entire bubble. Assuming the Chinese translation is correct, there is no way the English translation can possibly even fit in the same word bubble using the same sized font because it takes far less space (in same font) to express something in Chinese or Japanese compared to English.

I need to say that in the spanish original version of 39 tankobon of PoT, chapther 349 says "con esos brazos tan delgaditos jamas podras devolver mis bolas" , so it is again that thing of "skynny arms"... i really think that its just translator point of view or something like that, or maybe someone is wrong...

 

[Phantron]

I need to say that in the spanish original version of 39 tankobon of PoT, chapther 349 says "con esos brazos tan delgaditos jamas podras devolver mis bolas" , so it is again that thing of "skynny arms"... i really think that its just translator point of view or something like that, or maybe someone is wrong...

It's not a point of view. Japanese is more concise than most languages, so if whatever Sanada said originally filled up his word bubble then it is almost impossible to not go over the word bubble with the same size font in English. As an example, Cait Sith's name in Japanese fits the default name limit for FF7 but in the English version it's too long so they had to increase the name limit in the English version. Conversely in Chrono Cross, due to a 6 letter limit you get stuff like Marcella -> Marcy, Starchild -> Starky, and so on. The translation part is trivial but there's just not possible to put the English-correct name in the same amount of space when written in English.

Now of course you can always use a smaller font but fonts are usually pretty big in manga (because most of the time they say 2-3 words anyway), and you don't really want to one section to have especially small font for consistency issues.

It's not particular wrong to rephrase something to fit within available space but you can definitely miss some details. Localization is a matter of judgment call, because otherwise all you'd need is Google Translate.

 

[Hardy]

I have to say that ¨jamás podrás devolver mis bolas¨ sounds too funny in Spanish lol

 

[mazakianzu]

Even though this discussion has completely gone beyond what I was asking about, I guess I'll pop in here just to confirm that in the originally Japanese manga, Sanada DOES indeed say "細腕" which is the kanji for thin arms, slender arms, etc. I'm not entirely fluent in Japanese but the line is "Kisama no hosoude de wa isshoukaesen!" which is something to the extent of, "Your skinny arms cannot return this!"