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[ukimix]

Re: Nanatsu no Taizai by Nakaba Suzuki

The nerd comment...

what if, in your dream, you went to Heaven
and there plucked a rare and beautiful flower?
And what if, when you awoke, you had the flower in your hand?
Ah, what then?
--- Samuel Taylor Coleridge

I'm just enchant with the story of Ban. In a short essay about this beautiful fiction by Coleridge, Borges wrote that it has the integrity and the unity of a terminus ad quem. You can't add or substract a word with out diminishing its beauty... That could almost be said about the story of Ban. Lets outline the essentials.

- A powerful warrior search for the fountain of immortality...
- When he finds it, the source is defended by a powerful guard.
- They fight and in the fight they argue about their motives... and in the dispute, they fall in love with each other.
- When they are loving each other, a second warrior comes to take the fountain
- As a result of the battle, the lovers are going to be killed, but in the moment of their death she gives her lover the fountain of immortality...
- With the fountain's power, the warrior beats the murderer of his sweetheart.
- Now he is immortal,... but at the same time he has lost what he cares the most. (In the case of Ban, he wanted to live longer to see if something good could happen to him, but to get immontality he had to pass over the most painful experience, which is a tragic paradox).
- With the times and with the battles, the immortal warrior discovers a way to arrive to the world where dead ones go once they die. He goes there and finds his beloved...
- After a moment of joy, he's rejected by that world, since he's still and forever alive ... So sad...
And now what?...​

Well, now it would be nice if we witness the struggle this immortal warrior is about to give to be able to die and rejoin, again, with his beloved lady. Just, the perfect plot... a terminus ad quem . (I have to say it: If you were able to tell this story to some ladies in the site with out spoiling the story, we could get more women reading with us this fantastic comic)



A comment aside. Sacred is not secret, but it would be nice if Ban's sacred treasure would be his book of ale labels:

Spoiler

 

[MattC302]

Re: Nanatsu no Taizai by Nakaba Suzuki

Melodias was kind of awesome this chapter. Knocking out that Holy Knight before the teacup hit the ground.

Not sure how I feel about his shadow/inner demon thing yet. I just hope it's nothing like a Jinchuriki like in Naruto or anything too cliche like that.

I wonder what the necklace that Veronica gave Elizabeth is suppose to do? A tracker perhaps?

 

[Koen]

Re: Nanatsu no Taizai by Nakaba Suzuki

Loved this chapter a lot:

- the mindgame of Veronica towards her sister: the mangaka did a very good job because he managed to give me the same feelings as Elizabeth. I have some blind faith in the sins too.
- meliodas: he was kinda different that other times. Determined, serious but on the other hand frightening too. His eyes and stare were different.
- the cup of tea scene: it gave more suspense to the fight between the holy knight and meliodas. You could feel that Meliodas was going to win before the cup hit the ground. But what was its reason: was he invisible for Elizabeth during that scene?

The last page is frightening en raises some questions

 

[ukimix]

Re: Nanatsu no Taizai by Nakaba Suzuki

I have been hesitating about Melodias always touching Eli: is that abuse or what? Why doesn't she say or do something about it? The answer is obvious: she likes it. The cover page, the panel in which Melodias, upset and determined, choose to go for Eli and the panel with their hands, make it clear. They love and like each other. Even the quick fight is like music of violines for their love. As the teacup falls, Eli rises his head, and when Melodias beats Griamor, he catches the teacup and Eli is finally watching his smile.

Ban and Emile before, Melodias and Eli now.., love is a topic in this story. Great cover btw!

Veronika's movement is clearly the necklace. She went to put it in Eli's neck, not to rescue her.

About the shadow, I have felt all the time: "Melodias is not that tall". If his sword hides a monster, his short version can hide another monster.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it was King who pushed the teacup (distraction strategy).

 

[jues]

Re: Nanatsu no Taizai by Nakaba Suzuki

It was in my opinion pretty clear that it was King who twitched his finger and made the teacup fall. I find it great that the author has very good sense of keeping the story interesting by only adding mysteries one after another. All the characters so far have been excellent and I can't believe that there's still 3 more main protagonist characters yet to be introduced.

The only thing I'm "worrying" is that the series is obviously progressing in an excellently swift manner, so how long is it going to last?

 

[ukimix]

Re: Nanatsu no Taizai by Nakaba Suzuki

Ey, Red Hawk Scans is searching where to buy this old oneshot of Nanatsu written by Suzuki, in order to make a quality release. It would be very appreciate it if someone could provide useful information. Here I post all the data about this oneshot; also I share some raw scans provided by user Gooseberry from Red Hawk site. Red Hawk can't use those raw scans to make a quality release, as it's cleared in this post.

Nanatsu no Taizai Oneshot Release Date: November 22, 2011, Weekly Shounen Magazine-52-2011 Total Pages: 56 Spoiler: Image gallery |||||||||||||||||||||||||| Download RAW: Mega || MF

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In this thread of their site you can provide useful information.

 

[goldb]

Re: Nanatsu no Taizai by Nakaba Suzuki

Loved this chapter a lot:

- the mindgame of Veronica towards her sister: the mangaka did a very good job because he managed to give me the same feelings as Elizabeth. I have some blind faith in the sins too.
- meliodas: he was kinda different that other times. Determined, serious but on the other hand frightening too. His eyes and stare were different.
- the cup of tea scene: it gave more suspense to the fight between the holy knight and meliodas. You could feel that Meliodas was going to win before the cup hit the ground. But what was its reason: was he invisible for Elizabeth during that scene?

The last page is frightening en raises some questions

I think that's the exact reason why he won, besides the fact that they also worked well to distract Griamor with dropping the tea cup. I was worried that it'd turn into a big scrap, seeing as Meliodas doesn't have his sacred treasure, but the suspense from the cup slowly falling and the Sin and Holy Knight trying to one-up each other before it touches the ground and alerts more people, was just so well done.

With the introduction of Veronica to the story, I also look forward to meeting Elizabeth's other sisters and seeing what contrasting personality the mangaka gives them.

This 4th panel really captures Meliodas' determination to rescue Elizabeth:

Spoiler

The shadow of Meliodas reminded me of the Symbiote from Spiderman 3 a bit....

 

[ukimix]

Re: Nanatsu no Taizai by Nakaba Suzuki

- the cup of tea scene: it gave more suspense to the fight between the holy knight and meliodas. You could feel that Meliodas was going to win before the cup hit the ground. But what was its reason: was he invisible for Elizabeth during that scene?

The last page is frightening en raises some questions

Eli didn't see Melodias while the teacup falls. It's clear because of the panels the author dedicated to her, rising her head to see what is happening. While the teacup falls, she rises her head: in the beginning she's looking at the floor, in the end she's looking at Melodias. The reason for pushing the teacup was to distract Griamor, I think.

About the shadow and the allegedly beast inside of Melodias, I think it's connected with the fact that all of them are sins. It could be a reason why they are called sins, and possibly all sins could have an inner beast inside.

 

[Koen]

Re: Nanatsu no Taizai by Nakaba Suzuki

Thanks guys

About the shadow and the allegedly beast inside of Melodias, I think it's connected with the fact that all of them are sins. It could be a reason why they are called sins, and possibly all sins could have an inner beast inside.

Well, the author might have drawn this for several reasons. Well, it strengthens the bond between Meliodas and Elizabeth. It might be a manifestation of his sin and chances are high that this sin is some hidden power for the future when things will get nastier.

And... It is not because something looks monstrous that this equals evil and bad. Some sins have lost their sacred treasure and this might explain why that shadow looks horrible. The sins' power and the sins themselves need their sacred treasure as an output of their huge power. Never say never but it could be possible that without their treasure, their power becomes somewhat a burden. Sacred as an equivalent for their sins, a sacred treasure might be their virtue..

 

[Mr. Arashi]

Re: Nanatsu no Taizai by Nakaba Suzuki

Trunks revived into Meliodas this chapter, it were awesome the motion scenes.

 

[Koen]

Re: Nanatsu no Taizai by Nakaba Suzuki

Another great chapter because we saw the villains' side of the story. It looks like that among the holy knights a group has a hidden agenda. Hendricksen is having a main role (I don't think he is te leader. The way how the new generation holy knights get their power is revealed.

I wonder if the holy war will turn out in a war between sins and old generation holy knights vs new generation holy knights. The group behind the new generation holy knights might be the murderer who succeeded in blaming the sins

It also looks like the shadow of Meliodas might be related to his sin wrath. He might be very dangerous when he is lost in his wrath and my theory of the sacred treasure as an container for that evil side of the power might come true

 

[ukimix]

Re: Nanatsu no Taizai by Nakaba Suzuki

Another great chapter because we saw the villains' side of the story. It looks like that among the holy knights a group has a hidden agenda. Hendricksen is having a main role (I don't think he is te leader. The way how the new generation holy knights get their power is revealed.

I wonder if the holy war will turn out in a war between sins and old generation holy knights vs new generation holy knights. The group behind the new generation holy knights might be the murderer who succeeded in blaming the sins

It also looks like the shadow of Meliodas might be related to his sin wrath. He might be very dangerous when he is lost in his wrath and my theory of the sacred treasure as an container for that evil side of the power might come true

Yes there are different groups inside the knights. But what is the relationship between secrets agenda there and the sins story? And who stabbed the king in that night that Melodias lost his concious? Also the prophecy Dreyfus talks about seems to be as ancient as the trial the page quoted below talks about.

Hendricksen seems to be one of the ones behind the sudden increment in the knight number.

But, after 30 chapters, we still ignore the main plot of the story. We have some few and good hints about it. This is one to take in account to understand the wholy war:

Spoiler

Just, who is him?

I also wonder if the king that ordered to lay down their swords is the same stabbed in that night.

Few pieces of a plot that I find more and more interesting with the time.

 

[goldb]

Re: Nanatsu no Taizai by Nakaba Suzuki

Ever since we've known about the great Holy War, I'd always believed it would be between the Sins and the Holy Knight; in a fight for the kingdom. But now...with Hendricksen and his buffing up of knights in training to become holy knights, I'm not so sure it's as clear cut as that.

There's quite a few questions that have come up from this chapter; who is the monster whose power is used to enhance the knights? how is Hendricksen doing so? and is he alone nehind this or working for a greater force?

 

[Samui]

Re: Nanatsu no Taizai by Nakaba Suzuki

Ever since we've known about the great Holy War, I'd always believed it would be between the Sins and the Holy Knight; in a fight for the kingdom. But now...with Hendricksen and his buffing up of knights in training to become holy knights, I'm not so sure it's as clear cut as that.

There's quite a few questions that have come up from this chapter; who is the monster whose power is used to enhance the knights? how is Hendricksen doing so? and is he alone nehind this or working for a greater force?

That is the same monster of the Demon Clan that was introduced in the Ban Gaiden.

 

[MattC302]

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This fight festival could be fun. I just hope it has a faster pace than this current One Piece tournament or it will bore me.

I wonder if that guy that helped Melodias is another Sin? King did seem to think he had a familiar face and it wouldn't be the first time the crew didn't fully recognize one of their own.

Diane's weapon looks kind of cool. I bet along with her "earth bending", she could probably cause crazy earthquakes.

 

[ukimix]

Re: Nanatsu no Taizai by Nakaba Suzuki

I wonder if that guy that helped Melodias is another Sin? King did seem to think he had a familiar face and it wouldn't be the first time the crew didn't fully recognize one of their own.

That's Hauser as it's said in the last page of the chapter. We saw him fighting the barbarians in the previous chapter, (he's really powerful).

Did they discovered the Demon 20 years ago in the fairy king's forest? Then that should not be the Demon Ban killed in that forest, because that happened only 5 years ago, just before he was captured (according to here and the last page of the gaiden chapter). There could be many demons of that clan. But it's strange anyway.

There are more information like: another clan is mentioned: the maiden clan. Possibly there are many clans. And there was in some moment an ancient war.

The fact the Diane's treasure is a weapon, favours the idea that the treasures are weapons. I was waiting something different, but it's ok to me. I suppose Ban three part nunchako should be the treasure of Ban.

Nice chapter. And I agree it's pretty refreshing to see a good tourney nowadays. (Sorry Oda)

 

[MattC302]

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That's Hauser as it's said in the last page of the chapter. We saw him fighting the barbarians in the previous chapter, (he's really powerful).

LOL thanks for pointing that out. I always ignore what I call "next chapter hype text" because I always figured it was written by the editor and is useless. Heck, in One Piece during Luffy's flashback, the hype text said "Will Luffy and Ace survive?!?!".....So I never paid attention to that stuff after that...I guess I should start reading it now...

Did they discovered the Demon 20 years ago in the fairy king's forest? Then that should not be the Demon Ban killed in that forest, because that happened only 5 years ago, just before he was captured (according to here and the last page of the gaiden chapter). There could be many demons of that clan. But it's strange anyway.

Strange....what are the chances of two, supposedly extinct demons showing up in the same forest within 15 years of each other....I think it is the same demon, but there could be some continuity errors. Perhaps the author already forgot that he said 5 years in Ban's first appearance? Or maybe it is a translation error? Or maybe, Ban getting caught at the end of his Gaiden chapter is not the same event as him getting caught by the Weird Fangs? None of those knights looked like Weird Fangs and I got the impression that Ban looked much younger than just 5 years.

The fact the Diane's treasure is a weapon, favours the idea that the treasures are weapons. I was waiting something different, but it's ok to me. I suppose Ban three part nunchako should be the treasure of Ban.

Really, I thought it was clearly implied that they are weapons of some sort from the beginning seeing as King's is his spear.

Nice chapter. And I agree it's pretty refreshing to see a good tourney nowadays. (Sorry Oda)

Well, let's not get ahead of ourselves. The fighting hasn't even started yet. But as long as it is paced better than One Piece's, I will probably like it more.

 

[ukimix]

Re: Nanatsu no Taizai by Nakaba Suzuki

Well, let's not get ahead of ourselves. The fighting hasn't even started yet. But as long as it is paced better than One Piece's, I will probably like it more.

Not only the pace. In Nanatsu it's a primary goal of the protagonist to recover the treasures. If there's a tourney with one of those treasures as the price, then that gives the tourney a clear place as an stage to develop the plot (even if the fights are boring). One Piece major line plot, namely, Law's plan, and the battle against Doflamingo, didn't required neither Ace's fruit reappearing, nor a tourney. That makes the tourney something out of place to the main an interesting plot.




About the Demon clan and the ancient war in which they got sealed, an ancient war should not be some event that happened just 20 years ago. So maybe the story line could be something like:

- An ancient war took place long time ago (centuries), between two major powers.
- Nowadays, the loser power has been doing some preparations for a new opportunity they will have according to a prophecy. The preparations include:

• Killing of the former king for whom the sins were working.
• Neutralization of the sins.
• Revive some demons to some tasks.
• Infiltration of the holly knights and of the kingdom.

But the other power is also getting ready for the party. This guy looks like an archetype: the classic wisdom old guy who knows a lot and has an appearance of a beggar or a drunk. He's there guiding the sins, and he could be a representative of that side that is going to face the prophesied menace. Also Hawk should be part of that side, only because he was licking Melodias to wake him up of the dream he fell the night the king was murdered. And I guess Elizabeth has a place in the prophecies about the war is going to happen. Just a possibility.



About the treasures, I wonder what could be Melodia's treasure, because he sold his one, but he has that sword that seems to have major powers. Does he have two major weapons?

 

[ferdinbeer]

Re: Nanatsu no Taizai by Nakaba Suzuki

Did they discovered the Demon 20 years ago in the fairy king's forest? Then that should not be the Demon Ban killed in that forest, because that happened only 5 years ago, just before he was captured (according to here and the last page of the gaiden chapter). There could be many demons of that clan. But it's strange anyway.

I think the demon is the same one Ban killed, because the capture at the end of the Gaiden does not have to be the capture by the Weird Fangs. There weren't any Weird Fangs shown at the end scene of the gaiden. He could have escaped (maybe they couldn't execute an immortal man, I dunno) and then joined the Seven Deadly Sins. Also, King knew about his nickname "undead Ban," so that would suggest that he joined the Seven Deadly Sins after the capture at the end of the gaiden happened.

My understanding is that this is the timeline:

over 20 years ago: the events in the forest from the gaiden occurs
20 years ago: corpse is discovered
from 20 years ago to 10 years ago: Ban is captured, declares himself as "undead Ban," but he escapes and joins the 7DS
10 years ago: The coup-d'etat occurs
5 years ago: after 5 years of roaming around, Ban decides to get captured by the weird fangs.

 

[ukimix]

Re: Nanatsu no Taizai by Nakaba Suzuki

I think the demon is the same one Ban killed, because the capture at the end of the Gaiden does not have to be the capture by the Weird Fangs. There weren't any Weird Fangs shown at the end scene of the gaiden. He could have escaped (maybe they couldn't execute an immortal man, I dunno) and then joined the Seven Deadly Sins. Also, King knew about his nickname "undead Ban," so that would suggest that he joined the Seven Deadly Sins after the capture at the end of the gaiden happened.

My understanding is that this is the timeline:

over 20 years ago: the events in the forest from the gaiden occurs
20 years ago: corpse is discovered
from 20 years ago to 10 years ago: Ban is captured, declares himself as "undead Ban," but he escapes and joins the 7DS
10 years ago: The coup-d'etat occurs
5 years ago: after 5 years of roaming around, Ban decides to get captured by the weird fangs.

Thanks for join us. Yes, that's possible, but it's unlikely, since that time line would require also:
In some moment right after the cup-d'etat (after 10 years ago) King discovers Elaine had been killed 10 years before, and
Ban never told King about the dead of his sister.

It would be unlikely that the king of the fairies didn't get aware, during 10 years, of the death of his sister and of the end of his forest. And Ban not telling King about her sister's fate is unbelievable.