Hangout Shingeki no Kyojin Hangout Thread

[kannazuki]

Actually...I don't think it would make sense....since the Survey Corp actually has just recently returned from the expedition the time Reiner and Bertolt attacked. They couldn't have possibly took off again during the attack because of those casualties. But they could've encountered the Female Titan during the expedition. Thus the reason why they have suffered great damages when they went back. The other possibility that they could have seen Annie's titan form was just right after RB's attack. And another would be during the recovery mission. But the recovery mission wouldn't make sense 'cause Annie is already inside of Wall Rose at that time, of course, that is if we accept the anime's cameo. She shouldn't have access to a maneuver gear until 2 years after the attack. She could've climbed Wall Rose any time with her Titan form during those past years, but shouldn't we have heard that there were weird markings along the walls? Then again, the Garrison isn't also known for their diligence like the MP.

There don't necessarily need to be markings on the walls. Bert could have made some empty titan body "shells" for them to climb up like stairs. But remember the records of RBA's background are almost certainly falsified, so who knows where (or when...) they were living until five years ago. Also, Bert and Reiner attacked from outside the walls. I don't see why Annie can't have. I can see Annie possibly having a hidden history with the Church or something because of her history with her father and all, but Reiner and Bert don't seem to fit anywhere. There shouldn't be any villages outside the walls, as they've implied (aside from the potential for alternate universes or time travel or something).

Remember, at the end of Trost, Levi and Hange were talking about how it was just like 5 years ago that they were led away from the outer walls right as RB(A) made their coordinated attack.

Well, the humans with the ability to become Titans seem to have control over there abilities, even healing. You saw it with Reiner and his chomped arm.

But to be honest, the idea that Rivaille, Mikasa, etc will all eventually be Titans kind of turns me off. It's kind of overboard with something that's supposed to be unique and mysterious.

I'm not a fan of the idea of Levi or Mikasa (or Jean or Historia for that matter if it ever comes to that) becoming titans either. Just saying technically it's possible, you know? I would also say Sasha and Connie but somehow I think it could be really hilarious if one or both of them went titan. XD

 

[Yumpo]

There don't necessarily need to be markings on the walls. Bert could have made some empty titan body "shells" for them to climb up like stairs. But remember the records of RBA's background are almost certainly falsified, so who knows where (or when...) they were living until five years ago. Also, Bert and Reiner attacked from outside the walls. I don't see why Annie can't have. I can see Annie possibly having a hidden history with the Church or something because of her history with her father and all, but Reiner and Bert don't seem to fit anywhere. There shouldn't be any villages outside the walls, as they've implied (aside from the potential for alternate universes or time travel or something).

Remember, at the end of Trost, Levi and Hange were talking about how it was just like 5 years ago that they were led away from the outer walls right as RB(A) made their coordinated attack.

Oh yeah, I totally forgot to factor in Bert's Titan form. Probably because I've always thought Annie doesn't like asking help from RB. However, we've never really seen an empty shell of their forms before.

Of course, I already took account that their background is falsified and all. But I don't remember when was it implied(with the latest chapters) that there aren't any villages outside the walls...Hange had said in Chapter 42 that RB's destination most probably lies beyond Wall Maria. RB kept saying that they're bringing Eren to their home village and the direction they're heading seemed to be what Hange had predicted. Though Hange could be wrong anytime....

And about Hange and Levi talking about what happened 5 years before, what chapter is that? I also don't remember that part...

Geez, I think I need to reread the manga again. XDD

 

[Bandreus]

While it's true the walls are generally believed to be the last human settlement in the whole world, the 'we have no clue about what lies outside the walls' theme is a very strong one in the series.

It wouldn't really surprise me if more hidden settlements were to be somewhere out there.

 

[kannazuki]

Oh yeah, I totally forgot to factor in Bert's Titan form. Probably because I've always thought Annie doesn't like asking help from RB. However, we've never really seen an empty shell of their forms before.

Of course, I already took account that their background is falsified and all. But I don't remember when was it implied(with the latest chapters) that there aren't any villages outside the walls...Hange had said in Chapter 42 that RB's destination most probably lies beyond Wall Maria. RB kept saying that they're bringing Eren to their home village and the direction they're heading seemed to be what Hange had predicted. Though Hange could be wrong anytime....

And about Hange and Levi talking about what happened 5 years before, what chapter is that? I also don't remember that part...

Geez, I think I need to reread the manga again. XDD

Chapter 9.5, p.24-25 (Erwin tells Levi they have to rush back and that it's just like 5 years ago). Erwin and Levi, not Hange and Levi-- my mistake there, but the main point is still true. They got sent away both times.

 

[Yumpo]

Well, it doesn't really make sense cause didn't we just saw how battered the returning Survey Corp was in Chapter 1? Erwin hasn't really said that they were sent away during both times. When he said that the same thing happened like 5 years ago, it probably just meant the wall being broken.

 

[kannazuki]

Chapter 9.5, 24-25 and I had to go to Mangahere for it because Mangabird doesn't have the "special chapter..."

Spoiler

As you can see, the titans wherever they were were behaving just like five years ago too.

 

[Yumpo]

Chapter 9.5, 24-25 and I had to go to Mangahere for it because Mangabird doesn't have the "special chapter..."

Spoiler

As you can see, the titans wherever they were were behaving just like five years ago too.

Of course, but they never really said that they were also gone in an expedition while Reiner and Bert attacked the gates of Wall Maria.

Chapter 1 and Chapter 2 were one single day.

Spoiler

We all saw them returning, right? These pages happened before RB attacked.

 

[kannazuki]

Is that all of them though, or just the injured ones? Where's Erwin, who was with them at the beginning of the chapter?

 

[Yumpo]

Good point. But I don't think the Survey Corp as a whole would left a lot of troops behind. If they were to left anyone behind, chances of survival are almost zero like what happened to Ilse. Then again, it may be that Levi was with Erwin at that time if they ever were. I would've provided the anime as a source but....it's anime, not the manga. XDD

However, we're talking about the Survey Corp as a whole here. I'm pretty sure it's most of them. I mean the commander at that time knew who was dead and not.

 

[teioh]

If I'm not wrong IN THE ANIME they clearly showed Irwin in that group of Survey Corps, and he observed Eren too.

Found:
From 09:04

 

[kannazuki]

I thought he might have been there in the anime but I know Yumpo is very strict about sticking to canon (i.e. the manga), and she knows already, as she mentioned it above. If they just got their you-know-whats handed to them and came back home then I don't know why Erwin would be talking like that to Levi in chapter 9.5. He had to have had the opportunity to notice titans were moving northward, even if his squad didn't end up doing anything about it at the time.

Rather, I suspect that the man who was in charge of the Scouting Legion at the time-- or one of the squads we see passing through Shinganshina at least? --was not so on top of things as they are now. (Actually, he calls himself "incompetent" while talking to that dead soldier's mother, but I think that "confession" came out of his guilt and he probably has some competency at least. He's just not such a brilliant mind as Erwin-- but it's hard to come close to him.)

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Not sure if this should be a new post or not, but for those who want it, I just came across the first two chapters of the JHS spinoff (shingeki kyojin chuugakkou) here.

 

[teioh]

What about SnK prequel spin off titled "Before the Fall" or something similar?

 

[Yumpo]

I thought he might have been there in the anime but I know Yumpo is very strict about sticking to canon (i.e. the manga), and she knows already, as she mentioned it above. If they just got their you-know-whats handed to them and came back home then I don't know why Erwin would be talking like that to Levi in chapter 9.5. He had to have had the opportunity to notice titans were moving northward, even if his squad didn't end up doing anything about it at the time.

It does feel like they experienced this before, well, at least according to Gantz scans. Have you checked the raws? The official translation has a kind of different feel to it than the Edited Mangas, at least in my opinion. XD

I guess we're allowed to post the official translations without providing the scans, right? I mean there isn't anything written in my copy that says we're not allowed to reproduce anything unlike Viz translated manga. Their translation goes like this:

Starting from the third to the last panel, where we see Erwin with a portion of the horse's head
"The titans are after the town! They've started moving northward as a group!"
"It's just like five years ago. Something's happening in the town."
"They may have..."
"...Broken through the wall!"

Or maybe I'm feeling it wrong as well even with the official translations?

Rather, I suspect that the man who was in charge of the Scouting Legion at the time-- or one of the squads we see passing through Shinganshina at least? --was not so on top of things as they are now. (Actually, he calls himself "incompetent" while talking to that dead soldier's mother, but I think that "confession" came out of his guilt and he probably has some competency at least. He's just not such a brilliant mind as Erwin-- but it's hard to come close to him.)

You know, I'm thinking of something....What if this past commander is already dead? XD. I mean, I don't think he'd have the time to retire after the wall was attacked. Humanity needs all the manpower it could get. That's why we don't see him at all? XDDD

What about SnK prequel spin off titled "Before the Fall" or something similar?

I don't think anyone has picked that up yet. Considering it's a light novel, I think it's a lot harder to translate than a manga. Also, reviews had said that the SNK light novels are on a meh level when put in a scale, especially the first one. The second and third are at least better than the first or so they say. XDD

@kannazuki
I guess I do am a little strict with sticking to canon. . Anything not written or directed by the original authors themselves are kind of considered not canon. At least to me. XD. Though being "supervised" is a different story altogether. XDD. I must get a hold of that Visual Novels. Especially the VN in the Anime Blu-ray Volume 6. I must get that Blu-ray.

 

[Utsune]

@Yumpo
Something like that is under the fair use policy, for educational purposes as far as I'm concerned haha. Especially when we're quoting tiny parts and dissecting them for a bit of literary autopsy, "no reproducing" doesn't apply here. So no worries

I've always wondered about how professional manga translators do their job. With series like SnK, wordings and tone of voice is especially important, and I'd think they want to get as close to what the author intends it to be originally. Truth is, being literal doesn't always hold the same effect as the original. Do they actually phone up Isayama and ask for clarification on certain parts or what? :S Simply buying the licence and translating it just like any other product is sort of a given, but there's no way things can be so easy and straightforward...

 

[Yumpo]

That's why I brought up something to compare. I guess the more translated versions the better? XDDD.

Sure, I do trust the professional translators with the names in the case of SnK, but with wordings and tones, that's where I'm a little bit iffy. I'm not sure if they even maintain contact with the author concerning this stuff. However, since they managed to get four of the characters' names right, they must've gave their contact infos to each other, right? Now the question is whether they use this weapon that much at all, besides for name spellings, or not. XDD. Assuming that the pro translators does maintain contact, then don't they have the upper hand over fan Manga Editors? Nah, but I doubt that. Pro translators are still human after all. There will always be errors along the way. XDD

 

[royalq]

well if Irvin and the whole scouting legion were already inside the walls, how would he now its just like 5 years ago. he wouldnt have known that the titans headed towards the wall five years ago because he was already inside the wall. Now im a bit confused. Maybe just a few stayed behind?

 

[Yumpo]

It is actually quite logical to assume that there's something happening in the town since they noticed titans are suddenly heading northwards as a group during that chapter. Titans don't act weird like that if there's nothing happening. And considering Erwin is in a wholly different thinking level than normal people, he might have immediately concluded that that's what's happening out there even without experiencing it firsthand.

 

[Huesoman]

well if Irvin and the whole scouting legion were already inside the walls, how would he now its just like 5 years ago. he wouldnt have known that the titans headed towards the wall five years ago because he was already inside the wall. Now im a bit confused. Maybe just a few stayed behind?

Maybe he wasn't inside the walls, we know he was outside with the scout legion and his commander(from the first pages of the manga), but when the scout returned to Shingashina we see the commander and other soldiers but you don't see Irvin, maybe he returned a little bit afterwards?

 

[Yumpo]

@Huesoman

That's what kannazuki had suggested a page ago....And it is a possibility after all, since we didn't see him with the Survey Corp when they returned. I'm wondering how'd they survived though. But it is Erwin. He could survive anytime if he had capable soldiers with him...XD.

 

[Huesoman]

Oh, sorry I didn't notice kannazuki's post, but that could be a good possibility you know, because you can see Irwin at the forest and not when they returned; and now that I think of it maybe *thriller sound* he die in the forest, his team saw him dead and returned without him, days later he gets back to surprise of everybody and lie: "I just faint". In contrast to Eren, he remember more things or know something important, that is why he kept his titan form in secret, then he recruits Levi (also a titan) to work with him, and planned to know the complete true outside the walls but first he had to take the commander position so he takes advantage from the previous commander death (or he kills him) or something and now as commander he look for the truth and use the scout legion for that purpose. .