Discussion Secret behind Blackbeard's dual DFs?

[MBVC]

"I don't think Marco lied/was mistaken. Given how long Teach had been in the Whitebeard crew (since prior to Gol D. Roger's death) they probably knew each other pretty well, even though they didn't know about his real motives"

It is true if and only if BB told Marco his secret but I'm not sure BB is that type of person. I think everyone except Shanks underestimated BB true potential.

 

[Azuma]

"I don't think Marco lied/was mistaken. Given how long Teach had been in the Whitebeard crew (since prior to Gol D. Roger's death) they probably knew each other pretty well, even though they didn't know about his real motives"

It is true if and only if BB told Marco his secret but I'm not sure BB is that type of person. I think everyone except Shanks underestimated BB true potential.

There are other ways of that happening. Perhaps Teach got injured in his younger days and they noticed it for themselves whilst treating him. We're not really in a position to dismiss possible theories just yet.

 

[MBVC]

Fair enough; anyway I think Moria's shadow df suits BB's combinations really well because he can switch his shadow to take the damages and his shadow can fight along with him too.

 

[Razh]

That did cross my mind, but the thing that speaks against it, i't seem to be one of the n my opinion, is that Blackbeard would be the one to come up. He doesn't seem like he would have the scientific insight to come up with this instead of Vegapunk, for example, whose intelligence has been hyped for so long.

There's nothing speaking against it, really. For one thing, Blackbeard doesn't seem like a guy who would read anything, and yet he studied about DF well enough to be able to recognize the fruit he was looking for at first sight. We don't know anything about his past. Since he's a D, it's possible he knows things that normal people aren't aware of. Especially if some kind of knowledge about DF was kept in his lineage. He had to have parents and at least one of them was a D.
Besides, how would he even be aware that he can extract devil fruits with his darkness logia in the first place if he' didn't have any kind of insight?


For now, it's just a possibility, but if it turns out he's giving DF powers to his crew, then it almost certainly means it's not related to his logia. Untill then, we can only guess. Covering WB's body like that makes no sense if only the person who controls darkness logia can extract a DF from a dead body. Why bother with it?

 

[Azuma]

There's nothing speaking against it, really. For one thing, Blackbeard doesn't seem like a guy who would read anything, and yet he studied about DF well enough to be able to recognize the fruit he was looking for at first sight. We don't know anything about his past. Since he's a D, it's possible he knows things that normal people aren't aware of. Especially if some kind of knowledge about DF was kept in his lineage. He had to have parents and at least one of them was a D.
Besides, how would he even be aware that he can extract devil fruits with his darkness logia in the first place if he' didn't have any kind of insight?


For now, it's just a possibility, but if it turns out he's giving DF powers to his crew, then it almost certainly means it's not related to his logia. Untill then, we can only guess. Covering WB's body like that makes no sense if only the person who controls darkness logia can extract a DF from a dead body. Why bother with it?

Fair enough. Nothing about Teach can be dismissed at this point. However, as I stated earlier, Blackbeard had been talking quite a bit about putting on a show in front of the world. After he took Whitebeard's powers, he said something like 'Now, let's begin the show!'. Thus, him covering Whitebeard whilst drawing out his powers could simply have been a way for him to build up suspense and not reveal it until the end. It could thus still be his Logia. Perhaps it can extract the DF abilities, which wouldn't be too far-fetched seeing as it can pull DF users towards him because of it.

On the other hand, it seemed like they were acting on a rumor. One of his crew said something like "Do we disband if this doesn't work?" which suggests that it could indeed be some method Blackbeard had been told about.

 

[BurnSchulz]

There are other things on BB that bother me too. His Yami Yami no Mi is pretty damn powerfull but very risky as well, because he isnt invincible (except haki) like other logia fruits - But still(!) he can take looots of damage and he always stay up again. Its terrifiing! Just like Luffy - i like to refer at this point to the fight of luffy agains Don Krieg, Crocodile or Lucci. Luffy got down so often, but he has a willpower out of this world which made him stand up until the fight as over.
I guess this kind of willpower has something to do with the "D" - the willpower to achieve the goals, or die trying.
How hard would it be to see Luddy and BB fighting each other. No one would give up so easily... I can even imagine that this fight will go to either ones death.
But thats too far fetched now.
So what i wanted to imply is that it might could have something to do with the "D" - i for myself think the Yami Yami no Mi theory, that he absorbed the Power and keeps it because of his Yami Yami no Mi, is way more logical. But the Willpower to survive and reach the goals no matter what could be an indicator why it is only accessable for the "D" successors.

Now it gets across threads but i want to add something interesting here:

If it really is because of the "D" - and the fact that the People with the "D" are very special - that thats the reason why BB can have 2 DFs, then i think that Luffy himself could get the Mera Mera no Mi.
As a counterpart of BB he may have to get a second ability.
We also know that Oda gives us unclear predictions and foreshadowing from time to time. And the Jump Cover from the issue where OP Chapter 699 was in bothers me the most of it:

Spoiler

I know that he already has his Red Hawk technique which implies heat into his attack so it might just be a refeerence to that.

But well, i give the Theory of People with "D" being able to eat 2 Fruits barely 20-25%
If thats True i give Luffy a chance of 70-80% of getting the Mera Mera no Mi for himself.
The Theory that BB absorbed WBs ability just because of his own ability, like he can absorb and hold any power as long as he wants to a 70-80% chance as well.

So you see, the Theory i was talking about i found unlikely, but interesting enough to tell you guys to bring you to new ideas for this topic. (And for the Mera Mera no Mi topic)

 

[Avid]

I was referring to you talking about their behavior.

I'm saying that they were behaving in an intense manner and it's not entirely clear why, and everything else in that post I made before.

 

[MBVC]

"the fact that the People with the "D" are very special - that thats the reason why BB can have 2 DFs, then i think that SpongeBob himself could get the Mera Mera no Mi. "


You forgot the most famous person in the D clan: Gol D Roger!

So far in the series, BB is the one and only one who has 2 df powers, Roger might have been a df user but he didn't have 2 df powers otherwise everyone would know having 2 df in 1 person is possible. That's a very strong reason that BB is the unique one due to his dark logica. If Roger didn't have 2 df then it implies Luffy won't have mera mera in the future.

 

[kkck]

I agree with that. If having a D was enough to be able to handle 2 DFs then odds are people with 2 DFs would not be quite unheard off. Ds are ancient and DFs are too, I don't see how such a thing could be kept secret. The world government in particular should have even more reason to either hunt down or recruit Ds as they come.

Honestly though, is BB even a real D? WB made the point that BB was different from what those who carry the name of D are supposed to be so perhaps he simply adopted the letter rather than being a real D like luffy, ace, roger, dragon or saulo? I think we should consider the possibility that BB understood the implications of having the letter in his name and simply adopted it. I guess it is a bit of a longshot though.

Another thing we have too consider here is that the whole D thing is not necessarily genetic in the least. Remember Saulo? He was a D but yet he was not even of the same specie as other Ds. While Ds do seem to inherit the name I have my doubts about them having any special genetic relationship between them that would make them special.

 

[suraj5898]

"the fact that the People with the "D" are very special - that thats the reason why BB can have 2 DFs, then i think that SpongeBob himself could get the Mera Mera no Mi. "


You forgot the most famous person in the D clan: Gol D Roger!

So far in the series, BB is the one and only one who has 2 df powers, Roger might have been a df user but he didn't have 2 df powers otherwise everyone would know having 2 df in 1 person is possible. That's a very strong reason that BB is the unique one due to his dark logica. If Roger didn't have 2 df then it implies Luffy won't have mera mera in the future.

roger was df user ?? which df ??

i think roger was non-df user. as far we see all roger's man r normal people. buggy is df user but its was because of mistake/accident/greed

 

[M3J]

Was it CONFIRMED that Blackbeard ate guro guro no mi? What if he just absorbed the power, but not necessarily the fruit? Or he did somethin to combine both power or fruit together? That could explain how he could have two devil fruit or power without being affected by the consequence.

 

[Avid]

roger was df user ?? which df ??

i think roger was non-df user. as far we see all roger's man r normal people. buggy is df user but its was because of mistake/accident/greed

He said might.

 

[Blanka]

The act was hidden on purpose of course. DF can be inserted into objects. There are no two identical DF. DF reincarnate after DF user's death. Once a devil Fruit is used it becomes powerless. No person can eat two DF. We have no idea how long it takes for a fruit to be reborn. What we know as FACT: He stole DF by killing pirate and his touch has the same effects as sea stone. Now I chose to be very specific on the wording as we do not know a lot. He obviously did not eat a fruit from Whitebeard, but it was never shown him eating the darkness one either. Was the cape to cover the theft or to trap DF's aura?
My THEORY:
He put one of the abilities in something other than him. He can have an artificial limb (cyborg or transplant) and used his ability to pull the aura into that object. Or he had put the darkness into an earring and was able to absorb the ability into himself as he never had an ability. I think he was actually powerless during his fight with ACE. Yet was able to use the darkness through contact with a DF powered object.

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The secret to DF is sunlight. “Darkness is gravity! The power to pull everything in... and spare not even a ray of light!... Infinite gravity!” — Marshall D. Teach. So to steal an ability the ability has to be released through death. With the body covered the DF aura cannot move through the light to its new vessel. His unique ability can draw the aura's wavelength through his body, like microwaves through a blackhole. The wavelength is ejected when the soul leaves the body as the power contains the physical body and is bound to the soul. That is why Logias can make the body transient. Brooke is the exception as his ability is a soul paramecia (The power contains the soul, and can move freely once the soul is unbound from the body). Sunlight is fantastic as a transporter as the plant absorbs the aura through sunlight to grow the DF. This also is the exact opposite transmission to sea water which refracts the sunlight and diffuses the aura making it weak. Explaining the inability to swim, the body which is contained in the aura's power does not function as the aura is diffused.

 

[Avid]

The act was hidden on purpose of course. DF can be inserted into objects. There are no two identical DF. DF reincarnate after DF user's death. Once a devil Fruit is used it becomes powerless. No person can eat two DF. We have no idea how long it takes for a fruit to be reborn. What we know as FACT: He stole DF by killing pirate and his touch has the same effects as sea stone. Now I chose to be very specific on the wording as we do not know a lot. He obviously did not eat a fruit from Whitebeard, but it was never shown him eating the darkness one either. Was the cape to cover the theft or to trap DF's aura?
My THEORY:
He put one of the abilities in something other than him. He can have an artificial limb (cyborg or transplant) and used his ability to pull the aura into that object. Or he had put the darkness into an earring and was able to absorb the ability into himself as he never had an ability. I think he was actually powerless during his fight with ACE. Yet was able to use the darkness through contact with a DF powered object.

---------- Post added at 07:53 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:08 PM ----------

The secret to DF is sunlight. “Darkness is gravity! The power to pull everything in... and spare not even a ray of light!... Infinite gravity!” — Marshall D. Teach. So to steal an ability the ability has to be released through death. With the body covered the DF aura cannot move through the light to its new vessel. His unique ability can draw the aura's wavelength through his body, like microwaves through a blackhole. The wavelength is ejected when the soul leaves the body as the power contains the physical body and is bound to the soul. That is why Logias can make the body transient. Brooke is the exception as his ability is a soul paramecia (The power contains the soul, and can move freely once the soul is unbound from the body). Sunlight is fantastic as a transporter as the plant absorbs the aura through sunlight to grow the DF. This also is the exact opposite transmission to sea water which refracts the sunlight and diffuses the aura making it weak. Explaining the inability to swim, the body which is contained in the aura's power does not function as the aura is diffused.

That's a fresher take in a out of left field kind of way, but we have zero reason to think you can apply anything but a Zoan to an inanimate object.

I can't say I totally believe he had a reason other than showmanship for the cloth, especially with that speech he gave.

 

[Faust]

There's a theory that Blackbeard got a Cerberus Power right? He was able to get Whitebeard's power.
Three Heads - Three Devil Fruit Slots.

The scar that he gave to Shanks was probably caused by his former weapon not because of Cerberus Claws.

Spoiler: Teach's Former Weapon

I think this page is a foreshadowing that will help that theory:

Spoiler: One Piece Chapter 40

And there's also a Dragon.

"It's a Cerberus get rid of him." - Getting rid of Blackbeard?
"It's a Dragon, capture it!"- Capturing Monkey D. Dragon? Monkey D. Dragon will be captured? Capturing Momonosuke?(Dragon Smile)

Can this be a foreshadowing that the Strawhats will chase after Cerberus(Blackbead) and someone/some group will capture Dragon or Momonosuke. Well Doflamingo captured Momonosuke right?

 

[Razh]

Aside from fan theories, there's nothing connecting Blackbeard to a cerberus. Not a single mention. Three skulls is too little to go from. They could mean anything.

 

[7pac]

Tbh, it's almost cliche not to think that df originate on raftel. So i don't think he ate the fruit. I'm keen on the absorbed ability.

But what could also be is using the yami yami no mi powers to surpress his own df, the yami yami, so it would basically be the yami yami surpressing the yami yami, allowing him to only have 1 fruit. the gura gura.

 

[TheLuffySmile]

What I'm about to say is probably going to kill a lot of theories: The WB pirates did not know what kind of fruit that 4th Division Commander Thatch had found, except for Teach of course. Marco said to his crew that: "you all know that Teach's body is atypical" meaning they knew something about his body makeup before Teach gained the Yami Yami no Mi.

Spoiler

 

[Cavendish]

There's a theory that Blackbeard got a Cerberus Power right? He was able to get Whitebeard's power.
Three Heads - Three Devil Fruit Slots.

The scar that he gave to Shanks was probably caused by his former weapon not because of Cerberus Claws.

Spoiler: Teach's Former Weapon

I think this page is a foreshadowing that will help that theory:

Spoiler: One Piece Chapter 40

And there's also a Dragon.

"It's a Cerberus get rid of him." - Getting rid of Blackbeard?
"It's a Dragon, capture it!"- Capturing Monkey D. Dragon? Monkey D. Dragon will be captured? Capturing Momonosuke?(Dragon Smile)

Can this be a foreshadowing that the Strawhats will chase after Cerberus(Blackbead) and someone/some group will capture Dragon or Momonosuke. Well Doflamingo captured Momonosuke right?

Actually the "Cerberus" Usopp meant was the one they met at Thriller Bark
the Dragon is the one he meets at Punk Hazard, the giant goldfish he tells about is the first one of his big stories who've become true now. I love Oda for that cliché!

 

[KuroKarasu]

Re: One Piece 729 Discussion / 730 Predictions- BREAK NEXT WEEK; CHAPTER RETURNS WEEK OF 02/12

Guys. Even though Blackbeard has NOTHING to do with this chapter I would still like to butt in.

Marco saying that his body is special can mean many things. As of now it only means that his body can ENDURE 2 devil fruits, not that his body is the reason that he can have two. The Yami-Yami no Mi sucks in everything. We could see vs. Ace that if he touches a DF friut user it temporarily sucks in the power. So to me it's obvious that he used the DF to extract the Gura-Gura. If it was just his body why wait so long for the Yami Yami? He could've killed ace and many more in their sleep and take their DF's in. The Yami-Yami is obviously the key and it fits perfectly since it sucks everything in.

I don't understand why people are theorizing about everything. Him being two persons, Zerberus and what not. I know it is Oda but still - the Yami-Yami is 99% the reason why he has two devil fruits.