Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2014] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[SharkBait]

We don't get it on some weeks. It'll be less than 24 hours until the full ToC appears anyways.

Am vastly looking forward to early impressions of Illegal Rare vs ToC (unless World Trigger, Haikyuu!! fell to the bottom )

 

[FanOfAniManga]

If the current generation of Jump readers wanted a dark series, wouldnt there be one in its current lineup? Wouldnt the other series released in the past year and before, and even before that still be running? Other magazines out there have darkish series so it is reasonable to believe that people are able and comfortable with getting their dark fix elsewhere.

I always found it weird how we haven't seen any dark series for years up until this point, like the editors were trying to steer away from the genre as much as they can in favour of romcoms, sports and gag series.

I can even pinpoint the moment when darker series fell out of favour to the romcom. That was in late 2011 when the last newly serialized mystery/suspense series Enigma got replaced by Nisekoi the following week, the first highly successful romcom since Hatsukoi Limited, which ended in 2008. It's why I've gotten jealous of romcom fans with subsequent romcoms getting released one after the next, and especially because this particular series seems to have its own, dare I say, Nisehards, on a grander scale than any other popular series I've seen.

So for Shiibashi to return with the first dark series since Enigma is going to be quite a breather, and I hope its genre follows the growth of popularity as the romcom.

Speaking of Enigma, if Kenji Sakaki returns with a dark series, which I'm pretty sure she will, I hope Illegal Rare won't suck away its competition, if the two series were to serialize simultaneously. I'm hoping the two series would compete with each other in the same vein as between Kuroko and Haikyu rather than between Nisekoi and Koisome/Pajama/Edison(/iShojo).

Am vastly looking forward to early impressions of Illegal Rare vs ToC (unless World Trigger, Haikyuu!! fell to the bottom )

You do know that for the first 7-8 weeks or so, the series is placed at complete random, right?

The occasional rare success doesn't change the fact that successful dark series in Jump are usually an anomaly.
Successful Jump series usually always have a core theme of friendship, teamwork, and/or adventure.
Dark series tend to sacrifice one or more of those elements for the sake of being edgy.

You're referencing the three principles for WSJ manga to be popular right? Friendship, effort and victory?

Having read Enigma, I can safely say each of the three principles were extremely prominent throughout the series, at least within its first arc. Too bad the second arc couldn't live up to it, and I agree that the principles got thrown away altogether in that section of the story.

Having read Nurarihyon no Mago, I can say the same thing, with the concept of the Hyakki Yako, the training, and the teamwork.

So just because a series is dark doesn't mean it automatically sacrifices these elements.

 

[Kaizou 10]

Shouldn't we already have the ToC or at least the bottom 10 by now?

The uploader who upload bottom half of the ToC doesn't upload this information anymore.

 

[Stark700]

O god, tell me we are not going to argue about the dark series failing/succeeding again.

Viz can't cancel Shogakukan series, they can only cancel Shueisha titles, I don't know exactly why but it might be a 'pride' thing (remember Viz is Shogakukan foremost). That might also play a part in why they don't want to license Gin.. They are scared that a title that doesn't seem to be ending any time soon might lose its appeal in the long run, I mean historically gag/slice of life manga isn't that hot of a seller, isn't it?

The series you mention is probably Firefighter Daigo, a series that allegedly sold very, very low (as in fewer than a 100 volumes) and didn't get canceled.

Really? Where have you heard that? That's interesting if true.

 

[FanOfAniManga]

O god, tell me we are not going to argue about the dark series failing/succeeding again.

Wait, what do you mean by "again"? I thought we were still going.

 

[perroloco]

@zogobob:
I can't seem to recall where exaclty, it might have been here.

I mean they have canceled Shogakukan series, the only one I recall is Urusei Yatsura but that was a long time ago, Zatch Bell is the last example I remember but that wasn't because they had any control over the situation.

As for Firefighter selling like very low it was here

As for the "Viz can't cancel Shogakukan series" I don't remember where exactly I read it but it went something like this: "Viz keeps canceling SJ series like Ichigo 100%, Gintama and Reborn! while other series from Shogakukan that don't sell that hot either aren't cancelled, thus Viz can't cancel Shogakukan titles" That's the theory. And it might be true, Viz continued Daigo and from what I have heard its Shogakukan titles continue, we have to remember after all that Shogakukan was the company that started Viz in the States (Shueisha joined Viz in order to compete with Raijin comics in the 2000s IIRC).

 

[Kaiten]

Here's a little more about Raijin, Shueisha, and US Shounen Jump:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/house-of-1000-manga/2012-01-05
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/house-of-1000-manga/2013-01-24
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/house-of-1000-manga/2013-01-31

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

I think one is able to confidently suggest which series won't be popular or appealing and accurately predict it (based on genre). I am looking forward to revisiting this whole discussion in 8 or so weeks and then in 20 or so to see which sides premonition verified.

Of course, but in the end will be only a prediction, and making clear, i not doubt that Illegal Rare may be a fail, but will only mean that the manga was not able to please the readers of the magazine, not necessarily has something to do with the "genre"

Dude... I'm not talking about just the last few years, I'm talking about Jump history in general.

Also read again what I wrote about why Haikyuu and Souma are popular.
It's pretty easy to see why.

The comment was directed to Sharkbait

Speaking of Enigma, if Kenji Sakaki returns with a dark series, which I'm pretty sure she will, I hope Illegal Rare won't suck away its competition, if the two series were to serialize simultaneously. I'm hoping the two series would compete with each other in the same vein as between Kuroko and Haikyu rather than between Nisekoi and Koisome/Pajama/Edison(/iShojo).

No, this will not be a good thing, all of us know that dark, romcom, mistery and others types of genres (not sports) almost always just can keeping one manga in Jump, these "competitions" always results in a cancelation, and put Shiibashi and Sakaki together with the same type of manga probably will result in a bad thing. But i really want to see Sakaki returning, she is probably the newbie that i most like

Also, I believe that nobody look to Edison as a romcom

 

[redon]

Weekly Shonen Jump #11/2014 cover.

 

[zangetsukakashi]

Today we're getting another Toriko color page, no?

That and today's Kenshiro/Raoh reveal in J-Stars....... : )

 

[Pietro]

Now i only want Rikuo from Nurarhyon no mago in Jump stars,and maybe the protagonist of Busou renkin,eyeshield 21 and the protagonist of Shaman king and Kinnikuman

 

[zangetsukakashi]

Now i only want Rikuo from Nurarhyon no mago in Jump stars,and maybe the protagonist of Busou renkin,eyeshield 21 and the protagonist of Shaman king and Kinnikuman

I would love Hiruma from Eyeshield more than Sena.
Also, Momotaro from Sakigake Otokojuku would be epic.

 

[Pietro]

Do Someone know what it says?
推定刷り部数｢ワールドトリガー4｣10万弱、｢SOUL CATCHER(S)3｣9万弱、｢磯部磯兵衛物語｣2万弱

 

[Leoat12]

There will be posters of Nisekoi and Shokugeki in this week issue? Nice.
Good cover as well.

 

[101nemesis]

Do Someone know what it says?
推定刷り部数｢ワールドトリガー4｣10万弱、｢SOUL CATCHER(S)3｣9万弱、｢磯部磯兵衛物語｣2万弱

Google translate says
World Trigger 4 has an estimated printing number of little less than 100,000 copies.
Soul Catcher(s) 3 is a little less than 90,000 copies.
Isobe is a little less than 20,000 copies.

Edit- If this is true, then I'd be impressed with WT AND Soul Catcher(s).

 

[korshunxD]

There will be posters of Nisekoi and Shokugeki in this week issue? Nice.
Good cover as well.

Nisekoi - poster, Shokugeki no Soma - card with aroma of chocolate.

 

[Leoat12]

Nisekoi popularity poll result by @kazu4281 on Twitter

Spoiler

 

[Shinuki no Reborn]

ahsuhasuhas Marika beats Chitoge and Onodera still in the first place, epic win.

 

[Zeromcd]

LOL.

I just noticed that under the "thanks for all of the support" it says "especially Y-san from the Chiba prefecture."

 

[Leoat12]

LOL.

I just noticed that under the "thanks for all of the support" it says "especially Y-san from the Chiba prefecture."

He is the same guy who voted to Marika hundred of times in the past poll. Marika surpassed Chitoge this time because of this, I wonder. XD