Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2014] - Discussion and TOC Talk - Part 5

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In my opinion, that's what I'm giving here, it was a lot better (11) than chapter 1. It had the foundation coming from earlier chapters, ending the first arc really well with all the twists. For me it gave it quality, for you it didn't, its that simple.
There are probably thousands of manga out there which has twist within it. If you are talking about quality, then you should probably bring the example within SS which is complete original and no other series actually did. For me, Nejimaki Kagyuu (since you brought the example outside of Shounen Jump, so I'll bring one as well) has more higher quality than SS.
 

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The point here being SS is in Jump, nothing can be done about that now.

That whole slow burn thing doesn't work so well in Jump, case and point being the numerous other titles that have tried it before and failed as a result

Chapter 11/11.5 was ok, dont really see how its anything to write home about and nor do I see the point in discussing SS and its demise/success or the merits of its author ahead of the next TOC which reflects the rank of what most people consider to be its best chapter.
I was just giving my opinion, and responding to a question given to me. Not like I wanted to discuss it with anyone. Why I made that post? there was a user talking about Ishoujo, and I decided to write about SS, it's that simple.

And again, what I said was not about success or not at all. Just my view on what has been done, and what it can/could do.
 

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Chapter after chapter Stealth Symphony gets better, anyone who thought it was just a normal shonen with a few twists to make it look a bit different was definitely wrong.. and couldn't be familiar with Narita style of writing.

Poor souls who dropped by chapter 4 not seeing the full extent of the writer skills.
In my opinion, that's what I'm giving here, it was a lot better (11) than chapter 1. It had the foundation coming from earlier chapters, ending the first arc really well with all the twists. For me it gave it quality, for you it didn't, its that simple.
So according to you, I'm "definitely wrong" and "not familiar with Narita['s] style of writing," then. I'm not going to argue the fact that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but you're making an objective argument instead of a subjective one, and to do that you need concrete facts that you just don't have.

I think this point has been argued way too many times though, so I'm just going to cut off my participation in the endless SS debate here.

Also for what it's worth, I've seen both Baccano and DRRR (haven't had time to read the LNs yet) so I am indeed familiar with his style of storytelling.
 

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The fact is that what happened in chapter 11.5 in SS happened waaay to late. In WSJ people basically choose whether they'll continue reading a series by 3rd-5th chapter; by chapter 10 it's also possible to know how bad / good a series is doing. In WSJ an author cannot simply take the time to expose elements at first over 10 chapters. It's good and all to say the author writing is great and all but in that case it totally backfired on him, he just wasn't suited to write weekly series.
And I agree with you, but I wasn't talking about it being a success or not. That's the reason why I tend to not read WSJ series, I just don't find them that good. In Drrr!! we got the real MC identify way later than in SS.
 

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Considering SS's writing to be masterful or unique is subjective at best (same goes for pandora hearts, albeit to a lesser extent seeing as it has actually managed to have success in Japan). I literally think its only two people in this whole thread who seem to feel SS has done something amazing and different compared to all the other Shounen titles that have run in Jump over the years. I dont, and nor do the vast number of others who have stated as much in this thread before. The twist which occurs in chapter 11.5 whilst interesting I don't think can honestly be weighted up as having been excellent or a display of masterful writing in any way or form.

Succesful/good writers are common place in Jump, many mangaka/authors who have found success in Japan before often turn to Jump as a means to find even more success, that doesnt mean they will automatically find success, nor does it mean there work is guaranteed to be great. I think SS might be the most excessive example of bias ive ever seen in Jump title thus far. Love for the authors previous works is really showing through in the judgment people have regarding SS
 

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I was just giving my opinion, and responding to a question given to me. Not like I wanted to discuss it with anyone. Why I made that post? there was a user talking about Ishoujo, and I decided to write about SS, it's that simple.

And again, what I said was not about success or not at all. Just my view on what has been done, and what it can/could do.
You keep arguing quality and quality. But things you have is like one of most basic elements in manga series and thousands of manga out there already did those elements. You didn't really say one unique thing about SS which other series doesn't have.
 

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So according to you, I'm "definitely wrong" and "not familiar with Narita['s] style of writing," then. I'm not going to argue the fact that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but you're making an objective argument instead of a subjective one, and to do that you need concrete facts that you just don't have.

I think this point has been argued way too many times though, so I'm just going to cut off my participation in the endless SS debate here.

Also for what it's worth, I've seen both Baccano and DRRR (haven't had time to read the LNs yet) so I am indeed familiar with his style of storytelling.
I definitely didn't say that, much less in that tone. Giving my opinion as I did(and made a damn point I did a lot of times), is subjective already.

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You keep arguing quality and quality. But things you have is like one of most basic elements in manga series and thousands of manga out there already did those elements. You didn't really say one unique thing about SS which other series doesn't have.
I did say I find it a quality series, not that it was a really original one.
 

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I did say I find it a quality series, not that it was a really original one.
Then, you should decribe really detaily about what is "quality series." It is too vague.
 

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Then, you should decribe really detaily about what is "quality series." It is too vague.
For me, it's a well written, well structured/crafted story where the writer is able to fully utilize the characters and world at hand. That's what I see in SS, with the plus of the art being more than above average.
 
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For me, it's a well written, well structured/crafted story where the writer is able to fully utilize the characters and world at hand.
Well crafter? I see many missing detailed parts and flaws in the story.
 
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Maybe as the light novel, it should be good. But as for manga, not really good.

It is just Narita's writing style isn't really much suitable weekly manga magazine.
 
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The problem is that the hardcore pro-Stealth Symphonites are expressing opinions that don't provide any objectivity, any unique and valid reason why an average reason should like this series.

You could have the name of the series censored out from a hardcore pro-SS post and no unsuspecting manga fan would know or care what series the post is referring to.

That's how much of an impact Stealth Symphony or any failed series will have on the minds of manga enthusiasts everywhere. Simply saying the series got better at chapter X, the story is compelling, or the characters are good is not a valid reason why the manga community as a whole should care about the series more than the little they already do. And giving a generic reason as to why a person should love X series is most likely a reflection of how generic X series probably is.
 
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What I liked about the concept of Stealth Symphony is the fantasy megapolis bursting with life where many different factions coexist. It had this very distinct Ankh-Morpork feel to it. But the actual characters didn't really stand out on their own and so the concept didn't make use of its potential. The only exception to it would be the assassin guild vice chief who benefitted from being in the focus for a while. Too bad the same can't be said for the rest.
 

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Chapter after chapter Stealth Symphony gets better, anyone who thought it was just a normal shonen with a few twists to make it look a bit different was definitely wrong.. and couldn't be familiar with Narita style of writing.

Poor souls who dropped by chapter 4 not seeing the full extent of the writer skills.
With this first major arc completed in Stealth Symphony the writer has displayed a unique talent for managing to create a story that does get better and better with each chapter. With a two chapter based strong introduction chapter with a high climax action setpiece that delivered action in a rather well treaded path with a lead in to a much longer in depth scenario giving us a glimpse of the creative prowess that they employ, though a variety of creative skills and attacks of character types that typically don't interact in the current manga landscape, Stealth Symphony emanates with this fun, deep, and emotional type of aura that gives it a special place in WSJ. Every panel feels necessary with no time wasted on focusing on fodder type individuals, tactic developments that are crushed in mere seconds, or pages filled with a huge txt to art ratio skewed towards more txt. Verily the usual tricks and schemes employed by weak writers with little to not future direction of their manga are not even present in Stealth Symphony. By offering a more plot and twist driven type of story with extensive development and growth of the lead character, Jig, and make him confront a few issues earlier than other stories would have them (for example confront V&V and Troma in another guild), its able to focus more on giving an exhaustive peak into the Stealth Symphony universe. This whole arc was a work of literary art and kind of makes me wonder if the series would be perceived more popular if it had opened up with this.

Narita has raised the bar on storytelling in JUMP and potentially in recent JPN literature, truly being up in the upper echelon with Satou Tsutomu & Kagami Takaya.
 
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And so concludes my dealings with Stealth Symphony. Can't wait for the next serialization round. Maybe this time I'll see someone I liked.
 

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What I liked about the concept of Stealth Symphony is the fantasy megapolis bursting with life where many different factions coexist. It had this very distinct Ankh-Morpork feel to it. But the actual characters didn't really stand out on their own and so the concept didn't make use of its potential. The only exception to it would be the assassin guild vice chief who benefitted from being in the focus for a while. Too bad the same can't be said for the rest.
Aikyet gets the prize for being the only person who articulates someting they like about the title without just using blanket generic terms that make it sound like they aren't really reading the title!

For real though, this I agree with. The Ankh-Morpork comparison is a great one, and one of the redeeming facets of this title. In the hands of a more capable writer, like one who can structure their stories for weekly manga at all, and a less visually busy artist, this world could have been spectacular in its depth. Shame.
 

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So, the official Kumamon twitter account had an ongoing "discussion" with various jump related accounts (mostly with the Jump LIVE account and with Usuta Kyousuke) because there was a problem related to a kumamon-like character appearing in Usuta's oneshot for the gag festival (don't take me too seriously on this, I don't quite remember since I didn't pay much attention to those tweets)
The discussion mostly consisted on Kumamon taking its sweet time to actually notice the problem and the various editors going on with things like "He hasn't noticed yet", or "He's getting closer"

Anyway, this derived on Kumamon actually visiting Jump's editorial and many interesting pics came out from that
With Usuta Kyousuke's editor



Attacking Nisekoi's editor



Pointing the problematic point


A high five with Tsukuda Yuuto who just happened to be there (because Kumamon apparently likes Soma among other series)


Kumamon having a serious fight with the editor in chief



A peaceful resolution


The "hand"shake of peace
And more keep coming XD
 
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