Character Kaji Kazena

[Hardy]

Re: Shin Prince of Tennis Chapter 123 and 124 Discussion/Predictions

Also, let's not ignore the fact that the 4 Tooyama has in speed is simply bs:

Speed - 4: With incredible agility, he is like a nimble monkey with his movements. He has the running ability to chase down motorcycles and buses.

And Tezuka has a 4.5 ¨but he is unable to travel at unbelievable speeds¨

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Yeah, it's a difference between 7 and 4 speed. I don't see what's hard to understand about that. 7>4. It is almost double.

And 10 is bigger than both of them. So? There's more we know than just numbers

 

[-Ken-]

Re: Shin Prince of Tennis Chapter 123 and 124 Discussion/Predictions

Soo... ignoring official stats from Konomi? Sure, we're not going to get anywhere like this. If you won't take evidence over assumption it's no longer worth my time. Let's just say I'm done.

And we saw different comment for G10, 11-20, and 2nd stringer in term of how much stats the players have. I don't see why it can't be diffference for 1st year MS and 3rd year MS as well, which it seem to be.

 

[Hardy]

Re: Shin Prince of Tennis Chapter 123 and 124 Discussion/Predictions

Soo... ignoring official stats from Konomi? Sure, we're not going to get anywhere like this. If you won't take evidence over assumption it's no longer worth my time. Let's just say I'm done.

How am I ignoring it? I'm just prefering to use the feats that we've seen in the manga and the ones he actually used to describe those stats.

If you're done, when you come back, could you ¨shows me those panel in favor of Kaji hitting Kijin back then, since you do tell me those exist. Go go go.¨

And we saw different comment for G10, 11-20, and 2nd stringer in term of how much stats the players have. I don't see why it can't be diffference for 1st year MS and 3rd year MS as well, which it seem to be.

wat

 

[ChinkyCandie]

Re: Shin Prince of Tennis Chapter 123 and 124 Discussion/Predictions

Maybe we should have had a thread dedicated to talking about Kaji. Too late now XD

 

[-Ken-]

Re: Shin Prince of Tennis Chapter 123 and 124 Discussion/Predictions

I prefer to use stats that Konomi give straight out because it's not biased.

And look at Kintarou condition after Oni got so many ace on him before PoP activated. I don't see how Kaji who got higher speed that will allow him to hit more Kishin than Kintarou will be in a better condition. Kaji speed in comparison to Kintarou and Kintarou's condition is enough.

Or prove to me that Kintarou have higher speed than Kaji. My proof is the fanbook. Look at the number. Weeee, it's so simple. Geez. Kaji is faster than Kintarou, therefore, Kaji have more court coverage than Kintarou, therefore, he hit back more balls. Such a rocket science.

 

[Hardy]

Re: Shin Prince of Tennis Chapter 123 and 124 Discussion/Predictions

...I thought you were done?

I have no bias, I'm partial here. In fact I kinda like Oni.

When did I say that Kintarou was faster than Kaji? Like, quote me. I just said that he has more tools besides just speed.

I'm still waiting for that panel. Do you think that Ochi can hit Kijin btw?

Maybe we should have had a thread dedicated to talking about Kaji. Too late now XD

Kaji deserves 1 thread for each panel he appeared in NPoT, lol.

 

[-Ken-]

Re: Shin Prince of Tennis Chapter 123 and 124 Discussion/Predictions

So Kaji can't hit Kishin? I'm fine with that. Looks like Kaji is just so weak air pressure kill him then. Show panel that prove otherwise.

We hasn't seen Kintarou answer a single ball from Oni on panel and he's stll in pretty bad condition at the end of the fight. I wonder why? If it's cause damage without touching the ball, whether or not I have panel of Kaji hitting the ball is irrelevant to the discussion. If we assume that Kintarou answer some ball, it won't be wrong to assume Kaji can answer more due to official stats that is not debatable given to us directly by Konomi himself, and so Kaji will simply just take more damage. Now mind telling me why I need to show that panel when I show evidence that it doesn't matter to the discussion?

And I'm waiting for even a single panel on your side. I've shown a fair bit. Oh wait, you don't have one.

I already stated the reason why I believe Oni is not an ass. It's his attitude. I don't see you trying to break that, oh wait, you can't. Haters going to hate. It's cool that you say you like Oni, your action doesn't seem to be the same as your word, though.

 

[Hardy]

Re: Shin Prince of Tennis Chapter 123 and 124 Discussion/Predictions

So Kaji can't hit Kishin? I'm fine with that. Looks like Kaji is just so weak air pressure kill him then. Show panel that prove otherwise..

Show me a panel that proves it. Seriously... stop with that attitude, it adds nothing.

So Kaji can't hit Kishin? I'm fine with that. Looks like Kaji is just so weak air pressure kill him then. Show panel that prove otherwise.

We hasn't seen Kintarou answer a single ball from Oni on panel and he's stll in pretty bad condition at the end of the fight. I wonder why? If it's cause damage without touching the ball, whether or not I have panel of Kaji hitting the ball is irrelevant to the discussion.

How is he in bad condition? He looks exhausted, sure, like Yanagi against Mitsuya... but not injured (let alone to the point of prolly not playing tennis again).

 

[-Ken-]

Re: Shin Prince of Tennis Chapter 123 and 124 Discussion/Predictions

Simple conclusion: There isn't any evidence that Oni end Kaji's career intentionally. Sure, there is lack of evidence that Oni doesn't end the career intentionally, but why would there be evidence if Oni doesn't do it intentionally?

 

[Hardy]

Re: Shin Prince of Tennis Chapter 123 and 124 Discussion/Predictions

I already stated the reason why I believe Oni is not an ass. It's his attitude. I don't see you trying to break that, oh wait, you can't. Haters going to hate. It's cool that you say you like Oni, your action doesn't seem to be the same as your word, though.

K so now you know what I like and what I don't? You have no limits, do you

I like Tohno and he's an absolute asshole. Kirihara is my 2nd (if not favourite character) and inside the court he's an ass. Atobe is my favourite character and he wanted to end with Tezuka in Kanto. BUT NO, YOU KNOW WHAT I LIKE, YOU MUST BE RIGHT.

Oni's attitude? The same Oni that disguised himself as Santa and helped Tokugawa is the same Oni that broke Momo's wrists, injured Kaji terribly and left a scar on Byoudouin and Date (tho the latter 2 weren't an asshole move I guess, just a display of power).

Simple conclusion: There isn't any evidence that Oni end Kaji's career intentionally. Sure, there is lack of evidence that Oni doesn't end the career intentionally, but why would there be evidence if Oni doesn't do it intentionally?

He could had defeated Kaji without injuring him, that's the whole point.

 

[-Ken-]

Re: Shin Prince of Tennis Chapter 123 and 124 Discussion/Predictions

Panel that prove it? Well, Kaji end the match with the injury, so he have to be in contract with a ball some way or another. In both of Oni's match that was shown on scene. There is an amazing number of 0 shot aim at the person themselves. So...? Wow, it's just so not clear what's going on.

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Actually, make that 3 match. It's the same with Byoudonin. The scar comes from the ball itself when Byoudonin use racquet to return.

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And when there's 3 match from him and 0 ball aim at players, it's an assumption that Oni will just aim at the players in that match he happen to have off scene.

 

[Hardy]

Re: Shin Prince of Tennis Chapter 123 and 124 Discussion/Predictions

Lol, the thread is real

Panel that prove it?

There is an amazing number of 0 shot aim at the person themselves.

Yeah, we saw a lot of shots in his match against Kaji.

We actually do know that he aimed at Momo's racket knowing that he would break Momo's wrists, so there you have a magnificent Panel of Oni hurting someone intentionally. You can take a picture and paste it in your forehead if you want to.

it's an assumption that Oni will just aim at the players in that match he happen to have off scene.

Uhm, his match against Kintarou was pretty much off scene, we only see him hit like 1 Kijin ball, and I'm saying that he didn't aim at Kintarou. So that's an off scene match. (not an ass towards Kintarou)

We saw him hurting Momo. (ass)

We saw him not aiming at Byoudouin. (not an ass)

We know he injured Kaji. (ass)

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Oh, look what I found looking at an old thread.

Also, characters who are DEAD TO ME:

Kite
Tohno
Byoudouin
Akutsu​

And possibly some others I can't seem to remember at the moment. I have no respect for players who have to resort to injuring their opponents to win. No respect.

@Oni also injured Momoshiro. He definitely can win that match without using any move at all.

Interesting, isn't it?

 

[Kaoz]

I'm not going to read through all the posts in detail again, but two points from what I remember reading:

1. Remember that the panel of Kaji after losing was changed in the volume and actually looks like this.

2. Hardy, the point about the stat comments was (I think) that depending on the level you're at, you're expected to meet different benchmarks. Tezuka is probably compared on G10 level, whereas Kintarou's comments seem to use a lower level as standard, hence Kintarou's sound more positive.

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Lastly, everyone participating in this discussion should watch their language.

 

[Hardy]

ROFL, look at Kaji. Why was it changed?

Well, I dunno, it really depends. Racing motorbikes sounded faster than anything ¨average¨ for even a g-10 player.

And believe me, I was watching my language.

Wait so, they played at night or noon?

 

[Kaoz]

ROFL, look at Kaji. Why was it changed?

I don't know for sure, but I'm guessing that it was changed to show the blood on the ball and Kaji bleeding from his forehead, which gives you a parallel to how Byoudouin got hit by the giant illusion ball.

Wait so, they played at night or noon?

At night. Or well, very early morning I guess.

 

[Phantron]

I'm guessing the game against Kaji was changed because it didn't made Oni look uber enough.

 

[Ninomiya]

It should be noted, Kaji Kazena is the first victim of Oni Juujirou that Oni felt the need to apologize to after he defeated them. I felt it was clear Oni knew he was doing something cruel here.

He never gave an apology to Momoshiro Takeshi or Tooyama Kintaro or Takei Toshio when he kicked their asses. I think its clear Oni knew what he was doing when he wrecked Kaji's career.

 

[ChinkyCandie]

Oni being humble I guess. Not many people are capable of apologizing in PoT world.

 

[-Ken-]

Against Momoshiro, Momoshiro waist is just too weak. We knows Kintarou return it just fine. Oni even go easy on Momoshiro by using 2 string racquet.

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Hmm, just saw the page that Kaoz show. It looks to me like Oni already go easy on Kaji. Remember that Byoudonin had blood like this,

http://2.p.mpcdn.net/6987/397733/15.jpg

It looks like he either was holding back his power then. If he was going at it with the same power he going for when playing Byoudonin Kaji will be in a lots more blood.

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@Old post. People can change their mind. I don't see any idoits still claiming Mouri can beat Fuji or Mirror Eyes doesn't exist. I just see more of Oni and decide he's not too bad.

On the other hand, I've seen more of Byoudonin and hate him a lot more. I actually like him at this page here

http://2.p.mpcdn.net/6987/111011/9.jpg

That's one of my favorite page from Byoudonin, he do go down in my ranking quickly though.

Really, it's probably because of Oni's attitude outside the match that I don't think he's an ass. I'm okay with Kirihara/Gin/Kawamura/Tetsu. They hurts their opponents but they are pretty nice outside the match. Gin puts Kawamura in a lot of injuries as far as I remember (many broken bones), and that's fine with me. Even the devil mode Kirihara doesn't continue to hit Inui when Inui is unconscious. Their opponents went into the match and so they don't seem to complain about any injury they got from Kaji. The injury Kaji got is just power creep because it's SPoT instead of PoT.

I don't like Byoudonin or #8 though, they are an ass inside and outside the match. They don't have anything likable unless you just like kind of players who likes to hurt other people.

 

[Hardy]

Against Momoshiro, Momoshiro waist is just too weak. We knows Kintarou return it just fine. Oni even go easy on Momoshiro by using 2 string racquet.

Really? I just quoted you saying that Oni ¨definitely can win that match without using any move at all¨ and that he could join the list of ¨Kite, Tohno, Byoudouin, Akutsu¨ (in other words, the assholes).

He even knows he would break Momo's wrists ffs.

Hmm, just saw the page that Kaoz show. It looks to me like Oni already go easy on Kaji. Remember that Byoudonin had blood like this,

http://2.p.mpcdn.net/6987/397733/15.jpg

It looks like he either was holding back his power then. If he was going at it with the same power he going for when playing Byoudonin Kaji will be in a lots more blood.

Except that Kaji is in a hospital trying to move his body, and Byoudouin is shown standing up like nothing happenned?

And the amount of blood in one character or the other isn't the best way to measure if the opponent is holding back or not.

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@Old post. People can change their mind. I don't see any idoits still claiming Mouri can beat Fuji or Mirror Eyes doesn't exist. I just see more of Oni and decide he's not too bad.

On the other hand, I've seen more of Byoudonin and hate him a lot more. I actually like him at this page here

http://2.p.mpcdn.net/6987/111011/9.jpg

That's one of my favorite page from Byoudonin, he do go down in my ranking quickly though.

Really, it's probably because of Oni's attitude outside the match that I don't think he's an ass. I'm okay with Kirihara/Gin/Kawamura/Tetsu. They hurts their opponents but they are pretty nice outside the match. Gin puts Kawamura in a lot of injuries as far as I remember (many broken bones), and that's fine with me. Even the devil mode Kirihara doesn't continue to hit Inui when Inui is unconscious. Their opponents went into the match and so they don't seem to complain about any injury they got from Kaji. The injury Kaji got is just power creep because it's SPoT instead of PoT.

I don't like Byoudonin or #8 though, they are an ass inside and outside the match. They don't have anything likable unless you just like kind of players who likes to hurt other people.

In other words, you changed your opinion in that subject because you like Oni now? So you're admitting you're just biased? lol

The fact that Oni was nice to some kids and Tokugawa doesn't mean he wasn't an ass to Momo. He was. And so was against Kaji. Dunno why you're argueing against it.